Fall River/New Bedford Commuter Rail (South Coast Rail)

I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. For one, I don't think they're planning to abandon Middleboro/Lakeville wholesale, are they? With a minimal amount of upkeep, the station would continue to be usable by CapeFlyer service from Boston, eventual Wareham/Buzzards Bay commuter rail service, and by any RIDOT or Amtrak services that might eventually arrive from the west.

Similar logic holds for the shuttle platform. A shuttle platform -- intended only for CapeFlyer shuttle service during Phase 1, to later be replaced by returning through-service at Middleboro/Lakeville -- built inexpensively and not at full length. Also, in looking at a satellite image, you wouldn't want to put the shuttle platform on the eastern leg because it's a much farther walk from the new platform on the northwest leg. The southwest leg would give you something pretty close to a close-platform transfer. (I mean, not really, because you'd have to go up and over, but still.)

Also -- at a more general level: I'm not entirely sure how "not intending to build Phase 2" would look any different from "intending to build Phase 2 but recognizing that delays may occur and needing to make sure Phase 1 is feasible for more than the currently-planned 8 years". Like, running FR/NB via Middleboro seems insane to me, but they've clearly committed themselves to doing it, so they need to, you know, do the best they can to make it work. They can't treat it like an interim service.

At this point, the whole damn thing is a miracle if it actually gets built and sees trains running at all.

Middleborough/Lakeville is to remain in use for CapeFLYER service. I suppose it could be used for future Cape Cod commuter service or service from Providence/NYC, but I don't see it having a single benefit for any of those over Pilgrim Junction.

There's plenty of room under both Route 28 bridges to have the SCR platform and the east-side Cape Cod platform extend northwards, meeting at their northern ends, for just as good a nearly-cross-platform connection. The DSEIR claimed that adding the shuttle platform would require $7.5 million in additional design, construction, and signalling costs - hardly inexpensive.
 
So to reiterate, by the time this is up and running most pols in this state will long be retired, so I don't see anybody reaping a great political benefit. I also agree that there may have been a better way to design it had the army corps of engineers not inflated the cost of crossing the swamp. However, all of this is irrelevant. The bottom line is the new phase I rail line is a quicker commute than the current option of driving, so the citizens of SE Mass need to shit or get off the pot - either ride the thing, or don't ask for any upgraded service (phase II). That's the political reality of the situation.
 
Yeah. The Church Street station isn't that far from it. I'm just remembering the days of everyone talking about trying to get the Red Line out to Hanscom, or various discussions about improving the connections to TF Green.

As intermediates go, New Bedford Branch is also head-and-shoulders above Fall River. Church/Kings Highway/Tarklin Hill or whatever they're calling it this week is a convergence of 3 SRTA routes, plus a busy exit off MA 140. No public bus routes that currently drop-off at the airport terminal, but the airport itself has a shuttle van service that would come right down the hill in passing probably making a regular stop here. Again, at train frequencies this anemic it's hard to see where the multimodal coattails are actually going to deliver beyond simply giving the branch a weak pulse, but everything aligns nicely enough for mode integration that you'll be able to drill down and quantify the latent demand that would materialize if only the frequencies were better. And drill the latent numbers they will have to in order to make a case for Phase II after short attention-span theatre has passed South Coast by. That's their ticket out of the crap-frequencies-forever wildnerness: a "show-me" of what things could be if representative frequencies were meshed with SRTA reinvestment meshed with Airport ground transportation meshed with TOD. That melting pot of ingredients is definitely there at these two NB stops. Church needs some 'vision thing' elbow grease applied to its ugly-ass strip mall environs on the TOD front, but given that they're doing a pretty impressive job with Downtown right now the planning talent is probably there in town to pull it off.

Freetown and FR Depot...ugh. The ridership estimates already got adjusted down multiple times at those stops during the FEIR process for the original Stoughton Alternative, so the warning signs were flashing beet-red at the utter non-integration long before the M'boro shit sandwich got forced down everyone's gullets. You seriously could be looking at 2:1, 3:1, 4:1 ridership disparities by-branch with what floor the total lack of preparation may indeed be buying the west flank. And, frighteningly, those disparities won't be because New Bedford is overperforming at such beyond-useless frequencies. The service is what it is. The risk here is that FR Branch upchucks the highest share of low-revenue miles on the entire system, slotting in that no-man's land of 'stealth' Lowell equipment swaps open to passengers or the too-soon-for-trackwork/COVID-victimized Foxboro trial. Every day...forever. Until it becomes a perennial service-cut threat. Total lead anvil for chances of any follow-thru on better frequency sources. And if NB is a relatively bullish-looking place for honing its redev acumen...FR is still a banana republic at the city gov't level and has too much trouble keeping its top elected pols out of prison at any given time to do much honing of those skills. Time to stop chaining these cities at the hip...one is most definitely not like the other potential-wise unless a major urgency infusion shakes the malaise loose along the Taunton River. If I'm living in New Bedford I'm getting my terminology straight right off the bat: "This is the New Beford Line...not the 'slashied' Fall River/New Bedford Line or the better half of a South Coast lump." Declare total branding independence from the lead anvil to the west to make the best case for their own homegrown frequency-increase upside wholly apart from obligation to try in vain to troubleshoot their wayward neighbor's poor integration and planning malaise. It's the only prayer they have.
 
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I'm not as worried about a local bus connection to the FR Depot station. I have a bunch of relatives in FR who's family has been there all the way back when they built the first cotton mills. A couple of high school friends lived there too and out of 30 people or so I don't ever remember anybody taking so much as one local bus ride. It's a car culture, so as long as there's ample parking this shouldn't affect ridership too much.

NB is better situated mostly by accident. The highway connections built in the 50's work well with a station terminus that is located near downtown for a railroad built 150 years ago to service long gone textile mills. It's also real close to the ferry to the islands. I too expect the NB line to do better than the FR one.
 
If I'm living in New Bedford I'm getting my terminology straight right off the bat: "This is the New Beford Line...not the 'slashied' Fall River/New Bedford Line or the better half of a South Coast lump." Declare total branding independence from the lead anvil to the west to make the best case for their own homegrown frequency-increase upside wholly apart from obligation to try in vain to troubleshoot their wayward neighbor's poor integration and planning malaise. It's the only prayer they have.

But what if you're living in Fall River? You, being in the hinterland, have to be hitched to some metro--yet Boston apparently isn't going to work out, because the service on the SC commuter rail is going to be that inconvenient. So... Providence beckons less than 15 miles to the west up I-195. Appreciating that some farcical, Kabuki-style lip service will have to be paid to the abysmal SC service that Fall River will be *blessed* with--but that the Providence alternative apparently now has to be considered (even if this constitutes "rebellion" vs. MassDOT)--what can be done to enhance mass transit on I-195? As F-Line has pointed out in the past, high-speed rail along I-195 is an impossibility...
 
What possible benefit would there be to connecting FR to Providence? Rhode Island doesn't exactly have a dynamic economy. The jobs are in Boston, hence the need to connect those cities.
 
What possible benefit would there be to connecting FR to Providence? Rhode Island doesn't exactly have a dynamic economy. The jobs are in Boston, hence the need to connect those cities.

Right--but isn't the whole point here that everyone is extremely skeptical that the Fall River spur of SC commuter rail will actually be convenient and efficient enough to get Fall River residents to those Boston jobs? So... let's assume that, practically speaking:

1.) ZERO CURRENT Fall River residents will be hired to high-paying Boston jobs and start commuting to Boston via the spur--because it never will be a practical commute.
2.) And, ZERO NEW Fall River residents, who already have high-paying Boston jobs, will relocate to Fall River and start spending money in its economy--again, because it will never be a practical commute.

In light of these harsh realities, if you're a Fall River economic development planner--now what? You can't exactly tell MassDOT to start over.
 
Fall River and New Bedford need better bus service to Providence. Right now, there's weekday-only Newport-Fall River-Providence service, with three AM and three PM round trips. Fall River-New Bedford has hourly express service (plus half-hourly local service at half the speed), not well timed for connections to Providence. Peter Pan service in the corridor is useful for commuting: one commute-hour trip, and it uses the Peter Pan terminal outside Providence.

Interstate bus service is difficult to provide because of federal funding rules - note that RIPTA only provides Fall River service as part of Newport runs. My understanding is that (with rare exceptions) all interstate mileage must be subsidized by the state in question, like how RI subsidizes Providence commuter rail service. But it seems like a mutual benefit to set up subsidies for a New Bedford-Fall River-Providence service to provide actually useful service along the corridor.
 
I'm not as worried about a local bus connection to the FR Depot station. I have a bunch of relatives in FR who's family has been there all the way back when they built the first cotton mills. A couple of high school friends lived there too and out of 30 people or so I don't ever remember anybody taking so much as one local bus ride. It's a car culture, so as long as there's ample parking this shouldn't affect ridership too much.

No...you actually pretty much state point-blank the reason why it's going to badly underperform and be an explicit worry. It's a car culture. It is NOT plug-ready with the bus network. The parking fee for such anemic frequencies is itself prohibitive...therefore the fact that it lacks connectivity to the cheaper bus fares IS a grave inhibitor to showing any kind of pulse. Out-of-box SRTA integration is the only thing giving New Bedford's two stations a pulse to build upon while the frequencies are so useless, because it's more mobility for a lower cost given what they have to work with. Fall River not even beginning to troubleshoot the integration problem depresses the ridership even further. Look at the SRTA spider map.

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Odd distribution, no? The Terminal is City Hall Plaza. Most of the routes are fairly short and clustered. That's because, as a city of hills, Fall River's transit shares are much higher where the geography poses mobility challenges...much lower where it doesn't. So...caution!...one family's personal transit-use tale does not speak for the city as a whole when geography creates a wholly natural skew in where the city's highest transit shares live.

The #2 up North Main is the only route in the city that touches Fall River Depot train station, at about the halfway point between City Hall Terminal and the Bicentennial Park loop. Most of the 2 is duplicated by the MA 79 eyesore and the highway-ruined neighborhood along Davol St. Higher car shares, which is why it's such a "one of these is not like the other" at being long, stingy, and broken up by distended looping...lots of chores en route for relatively low ridership.

^This^ is way too much to be leaving off the table functionally shut out from the train, if they ever want it to show a pulse. The only route that can get easily to the train is one that needs it least, and runs longest so is harder to transfer to. The other ones that already serve higher transit shares because of endemic mobility challenges in the areas they serve...are the ones facing the biggest mobility challenge to ever reaching the train station in the first place. And it is not a safe assumption that the transit density on those highest-demand routes are simply going to get in their cars and pay a much higher parking rate at FR Depot as if that's no big deal. How many times did the T build parking sinks relocated away from traditional multimodal-accessible downtown stops because conventional wisdom said exactly that...and then everyone was kerfuzzled when ridership underperformed? Fall River isn't the exception to that rule. It's already got a tightly-wound bus network with a number of routes delivering decently high transit shares. You can't simply ignore that and wave it away as if Pn'R's are going to save the day.

What they need is a bit of that street-circulator duplication that the #1/3/7 follow down by the boulevarded 79/138/195 interchange and the port before divering on their merry ways...put punched north up a Phase II MA 79 teardown that makes lower Davol more functional for the same purpose. It's not going to be an elegant-looking loop, because the train station going at the same location it always was dating back 150+ years while City Hall Loop was a post- Urban Renewal creation of the 195 Downtown canyon...and thus RR and surface transit aren't aligned as close as they were 60 years ago. But you have to at least shoot for a matching 'elbow' that 3 or more routes can glom onto hitting the train station before dispersing, or there's simply no way to link existing transit shares with the new mode. Foregoing that elbow grease does not mean cars are going to flock to the Pn'R lot to overpay for shit frequencies. It means those transit shares never meet the train...ever.

When it comes time for New Bedford to start beating down MassDOT's door for more frequencies, it can point to its SRTA integration for the latent demand that would be served. Fall River can't, because it hasn't made the faintest attempt to try. So given all we know about what a precarious position the prospects of more frequencies period is sitting on with this brittle Phase I and wittheld promises of a Phase II follow-up...which city do you think is going to be able to pry any more frequencies if they happen to come available? They sure as hell aren't going to be apportioned equally when one is trying to better its multimodal coattails and one couldn't possibly give less a crap. The service disparity widens from here.

Maybe for somebody's family in some neighborhood that's no big deal...but don't try to spin that to the whole city. Quite a lot of them are existing transit riders shaking their head at the utter senselessness of this willful non-integration.
 
What possible benefit would there be to connecting FR to Providence? Rhode Island doesn't exactly have a dynamic economy. The jobs are in Boston, hence the need to connect those cities.

If we could ever get Regional Rail up and running, I think it would make sense if rail could go to Providence and tie in there to 15 minute headway trunk line to Boston (and TF Green), seems way better to build a transfer there than w/e SCR ends up being. Then again, I have absoltely no idea how a ROW would work from Fall River to Providence.
 
Fall River => Providence would require complicated new bridges/tunnel across either the Taunton River or Narragansett Bay, both of which are navigable waterways (so bridges can't impede marine traffic).

I think you'd be far better off going up the existing proposed SCR route to Taunton, and then connecting to the NE Corridor at Attleboro or Mansfield. From there, trains could run through to Boston, or passengers would have an option to transfer in the other direction going to Providence.
 
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No...you actually pretty much state point-blank the reason why it's going to badly underperform and be an explicit worry. It's a car culture. It is NOT plug-ready with the bus network. The parking fee for such anemic frequencies is itself prohibitive...therefore the fact that it lacks connectivity to the cheaper bus fares IS a grave inhibitor to showing any kind of pulse.

Problem is, you're talking about an hour and a half on the train just by itself. Can't really afford the extra time taken for a bus.

F-Line has talked at length about how that ROW is gone, unfortunately. I am a huge supporter of Providence developing rail transit and think this connection would have been really positive for both communities over time.

Problem is, you need jobs to get enough ridership to make it worthwhile.
 
Fall River => Providence would require complicated new bridges/tunnel across either the Taunton River or Narragansett Bay, both of which are navigable waterways (so bridges can't impede marine traffic).

I think you'd be far better off going up the existing proposed SCR route to Taunton, and then connecting to the NE Corridor at Attleboro or Mansfield. From there, trains could run through to Boston, or passengers would have an option to transfer in the other direction going to Providence.

NYC-Newport weekender trains always used to go by the around-the-horn route Attleboro-Taunton-FR because the Slades Ferry Bridge on the old Warren Branch was too weight-restricted to take regular heavyweight coaches...so it's not a new thing at all. The trick for RIDOT would be how threadbare can you slash a schedule to make good time on that routing.

In the interim I think enhanced bus frequencies and squaring the subsidy paper barriers at the state line is more realistic. The rail option isn't going to rate until ridership has grown enough to need higher-capacity mode...and we're nowhere near there yet. Any which way that option kind of requires an interim of working the 195 bus levers to stimulate demand.
 
On the vein of future service improvement "hooks" for Fall River, has anyone actually studied out the cost and ridership of a newport extension? I'm imagining 2 stops, Naval Station and Newport (@ RIPTA terminal) and maybe Portsmouth infill. If not, once fall river is operational... I believe some years ago, MassDOT began the process of freight reactivation to the RI state line, but as far as I can tell, there's been no news or progress since 2017, and it doesn't appear on the 20 or 21 CIP. In RI, there's less than 3 miles of mostly "pre grade seperated" new track, two rail bridges, and I'd guess ~10 miles of rehabbing existing track. That RoW is largely intact looking, but last I heard MassDOT and RIDOT was advancing trail with provision for rail for it's portion from Tiverton to Fall River & Battleship Cove; the Mount Hope Greenway. If any of these things progress, at some point this is well worth the cost of paper.
 
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Problem is, you're talking about an hour and a half on the train just by itself. Can't really afford the extra time taken for a bus.

Look at that SRTA spider map again. Some of those routes are hella short. These are sub-20 minute trips to City Hall Loop if you're on one of the routes that's only there because of the hills. Nobody's riding an hour...unless they're taking the meandering #2 that's the only one touching the train station.

Yes...you better believe this is a major problem. Pn'R is not an alternative for folks who have easy buses to City Hall. Total indifference to multimodal integration is killer for abdication any/all draw from preexisting transit shares.
 
On the vein of future service improvement "hooks" for Fall River, has anyone actually studied out the cost and ridership of a newport extension? I'm imagining 2 stops, Naval Station and Newport (@ RIPTA terminal) and maybe Portsmouth infill. If not, once fall river is operational... I believe some years ago, MassDOT began the process of freight reactivation to the RI state line, but as far as I can tell, there's been no news or progress since 2017, and it doesn't appear on the 20 or 21 CIP. In RI, there's less than 3 miles of mostly "pre grade seperated" new track, two rail bridges, and I'd guess ~10 miles of rehabbing existing track. That RoW is largely intact looking, but last I heard MassDOT and RIDOT was advancing trail with provision for rail for it's portion from Tiverton to Fall River & Battleship Cove; the Mount Hope Greenway. If any of these things progress, at some point this is well worth the cost of paper.

MassCoastal reactivation to the state line is set so Gold Medal Bakery, a big longstanding customer, can switch back to its home rail siding for the first time in 25 years instead of trucking down the street from rail dropoffs at the Port. Also some new customer taking up residence at the pier across from Gold Medal...ship-to-rail road salt I think. The holdup is that MC is getting "donationware" rail hardware surplus from other T projects, so they're not on any clock. Restoration will cross Mt. Hope Ave. to the gas tank farm at the literal state line for a locomotive runaround track.

Tiverton is NON-abandoned. P&W holds active freight rights to the Naval Base under an Out-of-Service designation. This is a reactivation quid pro quo with RIDOT. All they have to do to reactivate is file 30-day notice with abutters (whether it takes 10 years to restore the buried track or not)...no hearings, no NIMBY chaos, no nothing. Running again is a straight FRA inspection.

For that reason no one can really shiv a trail in there as earth-salt move because it's "active". It's only possible if RIDOT is explicitly planning a rail-with-trail redesign, as P&W can be used as the proxy to instantly shut anything down. Therefore this is a very easy one to reactivate. Sakkonet River Bridge is likewise on the OOS designation even though the bridge is physically gone. Channel width is about equal to new $45M Gloucester Draw but with 1 fewer track and no existing bridge to demo, so is a pretty reasonable high-$30's M expense tops. And they are piecemeal upgrading the active line on Aquidneck Island so the tourist RR can start running a general-purpose RDC dinky.

It's by no means high-priority but RIDOT has committed to studying reconnection options if SCR happens. Functionally, ramping up from slow track to commuter-grade track is going to be a very long game much like the Cape...with odds poor for any thru runs if SCR Phase 2 malingers. But RIDOT can probably realize slow-track payoff just getting the tourist train a FR/195 connection and some homeless-man's freight transloading onto the island. So figure some "Flyer" trial being the first reach. And there's also Amtrak potential with a Cape Codder revival that splits/recombines at Taunton into a "Newporter" half. Won't be waiting a lifetime for this reactivation because the utility is a little more varied than Boston-or-bust and can potentially justify itself on slow track at the start...plus the stakes are way lower with the active freight rights cutting off all the usual NIMBY games at the pass.
 
So where did the IRAP money awarded for the extension to Gold Medal go?
 
So where did the IRAP money awarded for the extension to Gold Medal go?

IRAP funding was awarded, but there were two consecutive years of MassWorks grant applications from the City turned down in '18-19 on price dispute (a $6M one that was arguably way more than necessary for the job, and a $3M one that was probably right-sized but the state was still suspicious was being over-padded by the city). Mass Coastal and customers are committed to the installment plan while City sees if third time is the charm on grants, as '20 MassWorks award winners get announced in late-Nov. Stay tuned.
 

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