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Took the Providence line twice this weekend. Trains were packed to the gills, people were forced to stand, but only two cars were ever available - and single decker ones on Sunday, at that. WTF, T?
 
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Boston.com - October 17, 2009
10 Boston subway rides you should consider not taking
By Martin Finucane, Globe Staff

Ever find yourself standing on a downtown Boston subway platform wondering if you should just get out and walk? Maybe you should.

A number of the downtown stations are cheek-by-jowl to each other. Take Park Street and Downtown Crossing, on the Red Line. The Park Street kiosk and the Downtown Crossing station entrance are only about 600 feet apart down busy Winter Street. At about 240 paces, that's a walk of less than three minutes. And if you start from Park, it's downhill.

Or Park Street and Boylston on the Green Line. The Park Street kiosk is visible up Tremont Street steps away from the Boylston kiosk. They're 1,500 feet apart, a walk of less than six minutes. Pick a new song on your iPod and you're halfway there.

Even more reasons to walk?

-- You might be waiting on the station platform longer for that train than it would take you to walk.
-- If your destination is just short of the next station, the distance you'd walk is even shorter than you might think.
-- You want to get some exercise rather than simply shift your weight on the station platform.

A no-brainer? Perhaps. But it's this kind of cool reflection that doesn't come easily in the shrieking, clanging, subterranean world of the subway.

Making wise choices can be especially tough for newcomers, who haven't yet learned the ropes. A reader recently wrote to boston.com saying that a visitor from New York had been beguiled into taking that ride from Park to Downtown Crossing.

Bad decisions can be abetted by the T's system maps, which are not drawn to scale and bear only a passing resemblance to the world above, as the Globe's Noah Bierman recently reported in this column. A system map posted on the T website, for example, suggests that Park Street and nearby Downtown Crossing are separated by the same distance separating the Central Square and Harvard Square stations, which are nearly a mile apart.

So you couldn't blame that clueless New Yorker who didn't want to walk a mile.

Why are the downtown stations so close together?

Joe McKendry, author of "Beneath the Streets of Boston: Building America's First Subway," said the profusion of stations served a city that, at the turn of the 20th century, was an "extremely dense commercial hub."

Bradley Clarke, president of the Boston Street Railway Association, said the stations were placed in commercial centers to make it convenient for shoppers and commuters from outlying areas to reach stores and other businesses.

"You built a station where there was a reason for it. You didn't build it on speculation," he said. "Show me where the money is, it's very much that principle," he said.

In defense of short subway rides, MBTA spokesman Joe Pesaturo said that such meager distances between stations are seen in other older cities.

Citing a joke by offbeat comedian Steven Wright, Pesaturo quipped, "Everything is within walking distance, if you've got the time."

Pesaturo also suggested several reasons people might want to take short subway rides, saying people might want to avoid the blazing heat of summer, pouring rain, or the biting snow and slippery ice of winter; might have packages; or might have an injury or some other mobility problem.

At night, he said, "Some people may be more comfortable in the subway environment with lights," surveillance cameras, T workers, and police around.

"At $1.70, the T is the best deal in town," he said.

Still, walking is free.

People who emerge from the subway can "get out and see the city," said Wendy Landman, executive director of WalkBoston, a nonprofit pro-walking group."Downtown Boston has a lot of great walking environments."

"It's a great way to add to your daily activity," said Landman, whose group produces a map that shows a number of walks between downtown T stations ranging from three to six minutes. "In some of the places we're talking about, it's wildly more efficient."

Here's a random selection of subway rides, some simple and some more elaborate, that you might think twice about taking.

-- Park to Downtown Crossing ? a short walk down Winter Street and you're there.
-- Park to Government Center ? a short walk down Tremont Street.
-- Park to Boylston ? a short walk along the edge of the Common.
-- Boylston to Arlington ? another short walk along the edge of the Common.
-- Park to Boylston to Arlington ? a longer walk but a beautiful one ? cut through the Common and then through the Public Garden.
-- Arlington to Copley ? a pleasant walk through one of the city's bustling streets.
-- Boylston to Park to Downtown Crossing to Chinatown ? the Boylston station is actually only a block away from the Chinatown station.
-- Charles to Park to Government Center to Bowdoin ? it's hard to argue that this trip, which uses the Red, Green, and Blue Lines, would be quicker than a brief walk from Charles up Charles Street to Bowdoin.
-- Copley to Park to Downtown Crossing to Back Bay Station ? Copley is a quick walk, but a long and involved subway ride, from Back Bay Station.
-- Any one-stop -- and even some two-stop rides -- on the B branch of the Green Line after it emerges from the ground near Boston University.
 
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The number of people who ride the Green Line from Boylston to Park is insane. Every time I go to the Boston Common cinema I have to explain to a friend that just because there's a subway station "right there" does not mean it's a good idea when we have to transfer to the Red Line at Park anyway.
 
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I feel bad for any tourists that get fooled into taking some of those trips. The (presumably not disabled) locals who do it by choice...wtf? Okay okay, maybe in the summer you're trying to avoid those mortifying pit stains...

But for the most part, I don't understand why people are so averse to walking. Anecdote: back when the outbound green line was free, I would shamelessly walk from any point "in town" back to Fenway or St Marks to get home to Brookline. Come to think of it, maybe all that walking through Back Bay, Beacon Hill, DTX, etc. helped foment my interest in urban design in the first place...Otherwise my image of the city would have consisted solely of museums, hospitals, Fenway Park, and Faneuil Hall. Basically the suburban vision of the city.
 
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The number of people who ride the Green Line from Boylston to Park is insane. Every time I go to the Boston Common cinema I have to explain to a friend that just because there's a subway station "right there" does not mean it's a good idea when we have to transfer to the Red Line at Park anyway.

I dont see the problem. You probably wont have to wait more than 45 seconds at Boylston during most parts of the day.

And since most people dont know about the park street entrance closest to Boylston, you might as well take the green line.


Now, I knew a girl that wanted to take the green line from Kenmore to Arlington to then take the e line to Prudential. Her reasoning: Its too cold.

Now, on most days, walking from kenmore to the pru is very easy, and so walking would be my preferred method of travel. We settled on T to copley and walk from there.
 
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My problem with a one-stop ride on the green line isn't the wait. It's that it's the Green Line. Elbow aside old ladies precariously clinging to poles as they try not to slide down the up and down steps all over the car? No thanks.

And the screech in Boylston station is unbearable.
 
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I'd ride from Boylston to Park (and then transfer to the Red Line) in heavy rain or sub-freezing cold. I see nothing wrong with doing this. As for the screech in Boylston station, you won't encounter this on such a trip -- it's just beyond Boylston outbound, on the way to Arlington.

Also, people with weekly or monthly passes don't have much incentive to avoid short rides. Hell, when I had a monthly pass and the weather was sufficiently bad, I'd occasionally walk into State Street station at State Street and exit it at Milk Street, without actually riding any train at all.

As for Park to Gov't Center -- sure it doesn't make sense by itself, but it does if you're coming from the Red Line and your real destination is a walk to some place in the North End or Waterfront.
 
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Also, people with weekly or monthly passes don't have much incentive to avoid short rides. Hell, when I had a monthly pass and the weather was sufficiently bad, I'd occasionally walk into State Street station at State Street and exit it at Milk Street, without actually riding any train at all.
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I agree, when I buy a weekly pass I milk it for all its worth. Blandford to BU east? Sure! (If Im walking and I see the train arriving)
 
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Boston Globe - October 18, 2009
The T takes a toll
The MBTA is a system cobbled together to serve a congested urban area, and that boosts expenses


By Noah Bierman and Matt Carroll, Globe Staff | October 18, 2009

When the MBTA opened its Silver Line service to Logan International Airport five years ago, managers needed a specific bus, one that no other transit agency in the United States had used.

It had to be 60 feet long, accordion style, and 20 feet longer than the standard, to fit more passengers. And it had to be able to run both on an overhead electrical wire for trips inside a new tunnel and on diesel fuel for driving on regular roads.

The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority commissioned a fleet of 32 vehicles, the only set of its kind in North America. They require their own spare parts, their own maintenance standards, and their own driver training.

Such extraordinary measures and others like them taken by choice and necessity over more than a century have created a dizzying combination of boats, trolleys, subways, buses, and trains that span two states. It is a costly complexity that makes the state?s ongoing assessment of the T?s efficiency particularly tricky.

A Globe comparison of the MBTA?s operating costs with those of other US transit agencies shows an agency that has significant room to reduce its expenses. While on the high side, the T is not far out of line with its peers in other big cities, especially considering that the cost of living in Boston is among the highest in the nation. Further, because the T is such a well-used system, it tends to fare better when its costs are broken down per passenger.

The Green Line, for example, is relatively expensive to run, but gets more bang for its buck than similar systems, because it carries more passengers than any light-rail system in the country.

Bus service costs more in Greater Boston than in other large cities by several measures, according to the Globe?s analysis, while commuter rail costs less.

The most recent 2007 figures for costs, operating miles, passenger counts, and other key measures were reported by more than 660 American transit agencies to the Federal Transit Agency and are included as part of its National Transit Database.

The MBTA, the nation?s fifth-largest mass transit system, is an agency at a crossroads, in the midst of leadership upheaval and the target of an independent audit to determine why it remains in such dire financial straits.

An on-again, off-again proposal to increase fares has riders on edge. In August, Governor Deval Patrick helped push out general manager Daniel A. Grabauskas.

And then, facing criticism over the $327,000 buyout given to Grabauskas, Patrick ordered a top-to-bottom review of the agency?s management and finances by David D?Alessandro, the former John Hancock chief executive, due by Nov. 1.

On top of that, the T will experience unprecedented changes in its management structure next month, under a landmark transportation law that will put a single governing board in charge of the state?s entire mass transit operations, its highways, tollways, vehicle registration office, and general aviation airports.

The T?s most basic and most significant problems are well documented. It owes more than $8 billion in debt and interest, a heavy burden that has prevented it from attacking an additional $2.7 billion backlog of maintenance and equipment replacement needed to keep the system safe.

The lack of money to replace aging equipment, a national problem for older rail systems, also increases operating costs because it forces the T to spend more money on overtime and stopgap repairs, according to people inside and outside the T who have examined its problems.

?We?re not working off the maintenance backlog,?? said Ferdinand Alvaro, an outgoing member of the T?s board of directors who led its finance committee. ?All we?re doing is spending whatever we need to keep it from getting worse.??

Analysts who have examined the T generally agree that those issues are paramount and have led to some of the recent breakdowns on Red Line trains, for example.

The federal data reviewed by the Globe focus on operating costs and do not take into account debt, the system?s unmet maintenance needs, or chronic problems finishing projects on time and on budget.

But conclusions based on day-to-day operating costs are controversial in transportation circles. The T can look efficient or expensive compared with other agencies, depending on the type of transportation analyzed and how costs are broken down.

Calculating what it costs to run an hour of bus service, for example, yields a different ranking than calculating the cost of running that bus for a mile. Other variables include differences in trip length, size of train cars, and regional cost of living.

Comparisons between transit agencies are ?anecdotal at best,?? said Jonathan Davis, deputy director and chief financial officer at the MBTA. ?Our numbers are certainly in line with our peers for operating in an urban environment.??

Jonathan H. Klein, a former chief mechanical officer for Amtrak, said the cost per mile of running vehicles, which is quite high at the T, is a more significant measure of performance than the per-passenger cost.

Crowding vehicles looks good on a mathematical basis, but it masks real questions of efficiency in moving buses and trains, he said.

?That?s what a taxpayer is paying for: Putting service out on the street where the passengers can ride in it,?? said Klein, who started his career in the 1970s on the MBTA?s Red Line and also worked in other transit systems.

?If you cram seven people into a Cadillac Escalade, the Escalade looks mathematically efficient compared with three comfortable people in a Toyota Prius.?? he said. But the Prius is actually more efficient.

Nigel Wilson, a transit specialist at MIT who has studied bus and rail around the world, said the T?s costs are not unreasonable, given its size and the cost of living in the area.

He agrees that the T?s complexity adds to its costs, but said moving passengers around is the primary goal of transit agencies, not keeping costs low.

On the Silver Line airport shuttle, for example, the need to open the Seaport and link to Logan using a vehicle that could carry large numbers of passengers left the T with few alternatives.

MBTA managers also argue that some cost comparisons can be misleading. Counting the per-mile cost to run a vehicle, for example, penalizes small and congested cities like Boston where trains and buses often travel short distances at low speeds.

Yet many of the agencies included in the Globe?s comparisons run in similarly congested areas and, in some cases, spend less money on a per-mile basis.

A recent weekday trip through the system - which began on a commuter rail train passing by Walden Pond and ended on a ferry boat traversing Boston Harbor - demonstrated the extent of the T?s diversity.

It took more than seven hours, almost an entire business day, to complete a journey that touched on most of the MBTA?s major components and vehicles.

Passengers interviewed along the route, though diverse in income and education level, echoed a common refrain: They depend on the T and need the state to invest in it. They were generally tolerant of its flaws, and many said they were grateful for its performance.

Helen Ellison, sitting on the Route 28 bus snacking on walnuts, said she puts up with a lot of crowding and delays in her travels because she has no choice.

?There are times when it?s running good, and there are days when it?s running really, really bad,?? she said, calmly pointing out that she was running late to yet another appointment.

Bruce Wickelgren, a Suffolk University professor who was using the Green Line to get from Cleveland Circle to Coolidge Corner, was more enthusiastic.

?I know a lot of people have a lot of problems with it,?? said Wickelgren, ?but I sold my car, and it allowed me to buy a condo.??

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Boston Globe - October 18, 2009
Subway, bus costs high; light and commuter rail compare well

By Globe Staff | October 18, 2009

Heavy rail
The traditional subway system - Red, Blue, and Orange lines - is the most popular form of transportation on the T, accounting for nearly 40 percent of the 1.2 million trips taken each weekday.

It costs the T about $12 for every mile a subway train travels, the fifth costliest among the nation?s 15 similar rail systems. But because those expenses are spread among so many passengers at the T, it costs $1.82 to carry each passenger, the third least expensive system in that regard, according to the most recently available national data from 2007 budgets.

Unlike systems that use a single type of car for all their lines, the T?s subway cars vary in length and design and do not run interchangeably. That increases costs.

In Chicago, the El runs a standard vehicle on eight of its lines. In Boston, ?you need separate garages, separate storerooms, separate maintenance facilities,?? said Frederick Salvucci, a former transportation secretary who teaches at MIT.

The T also uses separate operating rules for each line. The Blue Line, for example, runs with only one operator on each train, while the other two lines require two operators, unlike almost every other transit system in the nation.

Light rail
Federal guidelines classify the Green Line separately from the other subway lines because it is powered by an overhead electrical wire, instead of an electrified third rail.

It is considered the busiest of the 27 American light-rail systems operating, many of which are relatively new and located in cities such as Charlotte, N.C., and Minneapolis.

The Green line is full of quirks. Downtown, it runs underground like a subway. In some locations, it runs above ground on its own tracks. And in other areas, it runs in and out of highway traffic like a bus. To complicate matters further, the MBTA also classifies the Mattapan Trolley, a vintage 2.6-mile loop track through Dorchester, Milton, and Mattapan, as light rail. It runs updated 1940s-era cars.

Those differences can make the system more costly to run than some more modern light-rail systems, which were built to run above ground and apart from car traffic, with more automation and fewer employees.

The Green Line costs about $21 for every mile it travels, the ninth most expensive system in that regard. But it is fourth least expensive per passenger, at $1.72.

Bus
Nearly 30 percent of MBTA trips are taken on a bus. The costs are relatively high, $10.64 per mile, seventh highest among the nation?s 30 biggest bus operators. But again, per-passenger costs are lower, $3.04 per trip, ranking the T as the 19th most expensive bus service.

The system?s 1,000-bus fleet has at least five types of equipment, including buses of two different sizes that run on diesel, some that run on compressed natural gas, others that run on electric wire, and dual-mode buses that alternate between overhead electrical wire and diesel fuel. The T will introduce a sixth type of bus, a hybrid diesel, sometime next year.

Commuter rail
The commuter rail system, which serves about 70,000 people a day, is run by an outside contractor and generally scores among the least expensive systems in the country, by several measures. It?s the fourth least expensive among 21 systems on a per-mile basis; none of the other 20 systems was less expensive on a per-passenger basis, according to federal statistics.

But commuters have complained at times about late service on the trains, which ranked among the tardiest in the country in a Globe survey conducted in December 2007.

The operating company, Massachusetts Bay Commuter Railroad Co., has improved on-time performance significantly in recent months, with more than 90 percent of trains arriving within five minutes of their scheduled time every month this year. Managers hope that the T agrees to extend its current contract by two years, through 2013.

Water and disabled transportation service
The T?s ferry boat and disabled transportation systems are a small but significant part of the T?s operations. Both are operated by outside contractors. Ferry service is less expensive than others around the country by most measures. Disabled service costs less per mile, but is more expensive per passenger than that provided by other agencies surveyed.
 
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The interactive portion of this article is actually pretty cool (although the Globe's home movies leave a lot to be desired). I especially like the little trains in the banner at the top, and how it's apparently possible to ride on the second level of the commuter rail locomotives these days.

I think it's forgotten sometimes when people compare cities like Boston to new "transit meccas" like Portland and Seattle just how extensive and well-used the T actually is. According to the Globe's numbers, the busiest light rail system in the country forms the second-busiest line in Boston.

...Which makes it all the more tragic that the system is collapsing under its own inefficiency.
 
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These things are being installed on all B line stops from blandfrod to packards (I havent been past packards recently so I dont know about the next stops)

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Shelters? Maps? Ads?

(Probably a combo, looks like the standard JCdeceux bus shelter for narrow sidewalks)
 
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Hmm, will they include Charlie machines?
 
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Someone at the T knows a guy who could get a great deal on plywood.
 
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Methinks perhaps the Wall Corporation has decided to branch into sales to the MBTA beyond bus shelters.
 
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Methinks perhaps the Wall Corporation has decided to branch into sales to the MBTA beyond bus shelters.

The MBTA doesnt actually pay jcdecaux/wall for the shelters. I think they might actually make a little bit of money from them. JC puts up the shelter so they can sell ad space.

On the plus side, this means we have many more shelters today than 5 years ago. On the down side, location is chosen based on ad revenue and not shelter need.
 
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Holy fucking shit, it's about time they did that there. Absurd they're only "experimenting" with it on the L line, though, which already has time signals. There are way more trafficked lines that actually cater to people who need to go to work, as opposed to trawling Brooklyn for the next cool cafe/music venue (the L is Brooklyn's hipster bus).

Of course this will be introduced in Boston just as soon as the T wraps up the Green Line extension, the conversion of the Silver Line to light rail, the Fairmont fuscia or whatever line, the North-South rail link, the Urban Ring, the restoration of the Arborway trolley and the A line to Watertown, the Blue Line extension to Charles/MGH and Lynn, the conversion of the Green Line to heavy rail, and the extension of the commuter rail to Manchester, Portland, Hartford, Albany, and Montreal.
 
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It's a nice thought, and as a subway geek I can't tell you how much joy this would give me... but it's not making the trains any faster or more reliable.

Anyway, I find these countdowns, as exist in DC or London, make the train's approach feel slower - I'm much more likely to feel bored and agitated if I know I have 4 minutes to wait. Not to mention my recent experience in DC when I get to the platform and see a countdown from 17 minutes! No book or newspaper... just a subway map to memorize...
 
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I'd be perfectly happy to just have this on my phone.
 
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It's a nice thought, and as a subway geek I can't tell you how much joy this would give me... but it's not making the trains any faster or more reliable.

Anyway, I find these countdowns, as exist in DC or London, make the train's approach feel slower - I'm much more likely to feel bored and agitated if I know I have 4 minutes to wait. Not to mention my recent experience in DC when I get to the platform and see a countdown from 17 minutes! No book or newspaper... just a subway map to memorize...

i'd kill to know this when making my "transit decisions".... should i wait for the next 39 bus or go down to the orange line platform? Should I hop on this D-Line train and hoof it to South Huntington or is there an E-Line train in the next few minutes? #1 Bus or wait for the red line?
 

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