GrandMarc Residence Hall (YMCA) @ Northeastern U | 291 St. Botolph Street | Fenway

Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

This guy pretty much sums up all of the nonsensical issues that NIMBYs, in general actually, brings up in almost any development. This is the exact reason why many home grown young students such as myself are seeking greener pastures such as San Francisco, Seattle, and Minneapolis as soon as college is over
Don't let endless reviews thwart dorm at Huntington Y
April 4, 2011


Sending your articleYour article has been sent. E-mail| Print| Reprints| Text size ? + IF A private developer and Northeastern University are blocked in their effort to put up a proposed dormitory behind the Huntington Avenue YMCA, it would only validate Boston?s reputation as a city where it?s next to impossible to get anything built. The Massachusetts Historical Commission?s recent assertion that a proposed 17-story dorm would overwhelm its surroundings shouldn?t keep the project from going forward.

Tweet Yahoo! Buzz ShareThis The dorm is needed: Getting students out of off-campus apartments, particularly in the Fenway and Mission Hill, and into student housing closely supervised by universities is a high priority both for neighborhood groups and the Menino administration. But the project makes sense for a variety of other reasons. The dorm?s closest neighbors are institutions rather than private residences. It would stand on the site of a gymnasium wing that the Y is eager to sell so it can raise money to upgrade its remaining facilities.

Yet the historical commission ? one of several agencies with some authority over the project ? dealt a setback last month when it concluded that the project would have an ?adverse effect?? on its surroundings. According to a letter from state historic preservation officer Brona Simon, ?the size and scale of the new construction overwhelms the historic YMCA building and thus alters the setting of this historic property as viewed from multiple vantage points.?? The claim isn?t persuasive. Because the project won?t front on Huntington Avenue, it wouldn?t be an intrusion upon a series of historic facades. The surrounding blocks already contain significant variation in heights; a tower of similar height stands a block and a half away, on the corner of Huntington and Massachusetts avenues.

The developer should certainly comply with the commission?s request for more information. But while Simon?s letter hints at potential objections that are to some degree reasonable ? a tall building might cast excessive shadows over historical buildings; there might be other options for the YMCA building in question; Northeastern might have considered more low-rise alternatives ? these issues are deeply subjective. And the more boundless the questions, the more opponents of any motivation have a veto over even a reasonable project.

A city that?s almost four centuries old must be protective of its historical appearance, and there?s a long and honorable tradition of public participation in planning and zoning decisions in Massachusetts. Indeed, a proposal by the same private developer for a much taller dorm unaffiliated with any university foundered in part because of opposition from Northeastern.

But stiffest opposition to the revised project comes not from the immediate neighborhood of the proposed building, but from members of the YMCA who disapprove of the organization?s plans to eliminate some existing exercise facilities ? and have pressed their case with the historical commission and other agencies. These members? disappointment is understandable. Yet the duly appointed officers of the nonprofit organization have opted to put together a reasonable real-estate transaction with other private entities. The regulatory review process is the wrong forum for an intramural dispute within the YMCA.

The proposed dorm serves a useful purpose, and promises to be an attractive addition to its neighborhood. It should be authorized.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e..._endless_reviews_thwart_dorm_at_huntington_y/
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

"The surrounding blocks already contain significant variation in heights; a tower of similar height stands a block and a half away, on the corner of Huntington and Massachusetts avenues."

He forgot to mention that said towers are probably the ugliest developments in the entire city.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

"The surrounding blocks already contain significant variation in heights; a tower of similar height stands a block and a half away, on the corner of Huntington and Massachusetts avenues."

He forgot to mention that said towers are probably the ugliest developments in the entire city.
That was exactly my thought too about Symphony Towers East and West. It puzzles me how those ever got approved. Maybe the senior living aspect??
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

When the city or state builds something the usual review process gets thrown to the wind. The public process is for the little people.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Making the tower taller and thinner would have less of an impact on the surroundings and maybe they could save more of Y. I guess it's impossible to convince NIMBY's of that though.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Making the tower taller and thinner would have less of an impact on the surroundings and maybe they could save more of Y. I guess it's impossible to convince NIMBY's of that though.

omg teh shadowzzzzzzzzz!!!!1!!!!
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

There's another Northeastern Task Force meeting for this project tomorrow night from 6PM to 8PM, up on Mission Hill (1545 Tremont Street). In the email they sent out, the following was written:

"The agenda will include an update on the review of the IMP Amendment and dormitory, more information from Northeastern on their agreement(s) with Phoenix, and an update on the YMCA's interim and long-term plans."

I may attend the meeting, but figured some of you may want to chime in at it as well.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

FYI, this project was approved tonight.

:)
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

With any modifications or conditions?
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

The BRA's press release:

Northeastern University Receives Approval for New State-of-the-Art Dormitory

Project name: GrandMarc

Private investment / Total project cost: $100 million
Total square-footage: 219,474 square-feet
Number of Jobs: 12 Permanent jobs
330 construction jobs
Total # of housing units: 720 Student beds

The BRA board approved the plans of the YMCA and Phoenix Lincoln Properties to build an undergraduate student residence hall on St. Botolph Street, for long-term lease to Northeastern University. The 11-story project will front on St. Botolph Street, on the site of what is now the YMCA?s gymnasium. The building will have 720 beds for Northeastern undergraduates and some on-site staff, including a university faculty member. Groundbreaking is expected to take place in summer 2011, with construction completed in summer 2013, for occupancy with the incoming Northeastern class in September 2013.

http://www.bostonredevelopmentautho...oval-for-new-state-of-the-art-residence-hall/
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Shorten from 17 fl to 11? Ugh. Here comes Willis Hall Pt 2 thanks to those NIMBYs. Disgusting.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Great that it was approved, but you've got to wonder about those NIMBYs. All their protesting resulted in 1) their gym is still going to get torn down 2) the building will be much shorter meaning more students living off campus and 3) they'll have an ugly stub in their neighborhood for the foreseeable future. To compensate, NU now has to build more stubs or taller towers to satisfy its housing goals. I don't see how any of this process benefited anyone in the short or long term.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Shorten from 17 fl to 11? Ugh. Here comes Willis Hall Pt 2 thanks to those NIMBYs. Disgusting.

That's definitely a typo. There were no modifications to the plans; it is still a 17-story building.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Great that it was approved, but you've got to wonder about those NIMBYs. All their protesting resulted in 1) their gym is still going to get torn down 2) the building will be much shorter meaning more students living off campus and 3) they'll have an ugly stub in their neighborhood for the foreseeable future. To compensate, NU now has to build more stubs or taller towers to satisfy its housing goals. I don't see how any of this process benefited anyone in the short or long term.

These tinkers are a self-fulfilling prophecy. See also, "omg teh shadowzzzzzzzzz!!!!1!!!!"

That is, they shriek hysterically and get building heights lowered with the result being that the same institution needs to build more.* Therefore unelected morons representing a minority of the neighborhood get exactly what they claim to be against: continuous development......because they convulse at the mere idea that anything of consequence could be built.

I welcome a response from Mr. Ned Flaherty or Ms. Shirley Kressel on how the outcome of NEU/YMCA was a success in terms of reducing student demand in our neighborhoods.



* Bonus points because these same imports from Away (if you moved here in the 90s, don't talk to me about zoning, Shirlz) are so narrow minded about teh shadowzzzzzzzzz!!!!1!!!! that they often forget non-profits must take even more land off the tax rolls in order to satisfy need when they can only build these dumpy fucking 14 story buildings. It is the height, hehehehehe pun intended, of mediocrity.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Great that it was approved, but you've got to wonder about those NIMBYs. All their protesting resulted in 1) their gym is still going to get torn down 2) the building will be much shorter meaning more students living off campus and 3) they'll have an ugly stub in their neighborhood for the foreseeable future. To compensate, NU now has to build more stubs or taller towers to satisfy its housing goals. I don't see how any of this process benefited anyone in the short or long term.

I've been following this project VERY closely (i.e. I had the privilege of reviewing the architectural plans with the firm designing it earlier this week) and I would like to address your 3 concerns.

1) The YMCA's "gym building" may be getting torn down, but the YMCA will now be receiving millions of dollars from Phoenix Development to be used for redeveloping their current facilities and accommodating all gym equipment. The only irreplaceable loss of gym space from this project will be 2 of the 3 basketball courts from their gym. And also, because of the work being done to their pool they may in fact be getting a larger/longer pool.

2) The building will still be 17 stories (there was a typo in their press release). Tonight's BRA's approval process called for no height reductions to the current proposal. Also, this 17-story dorm--admittedly shorter than the previous GrandMarc proposal from years ago--will house 720 students as oppose to the original 796. Northeastern's previous committment to the community was 1800 beds (1200 of which have been fulfilled because of International Village). This approved residence hall at the YMCA actually exceeds their commitment by 120 beds; therefore, more students living on campus.

3) The proposal is not ugly; it's excellent. Certainly, it's superior to the aesthetics design of International Village. But functionally speaking, it will meet/exceed the standards Northeastern has set for residence hall living and will benefit the community in the short term AND the long term.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

2) The building will still be 17 stories (there was a typo in their press release). Tonight's BRA's approval process called for no height reductions to the current proposal.

Thanks, you've definitely cleared that up. The idea of a height reduction (which I'm glad was just a typo!) was my major concern and was what I meant with "ugly stub". I'm glad then that things managed to work out for both sides more or less. I take back what I said. Phew. :)
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

There is a God!

Any bets that the NIMBY's will try to launch a legal challange to the project? If there were NIMBY's back in the 19th century, the Back Bay would still be a bay.
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

And if there were NIMBY's in the 1950/60's there would still be a Scollay Sq and a real West End.

It cuts both ways. :/
 
Re: YMCA/ Northeastern Dorm (formerly GrandMarc at St. Botolph)

Woot new development!

Two questions: was this the final hurdle, will demolition and construction begin soon? And what is the story behind the naming "GrandMarc"? It sounds like a Vegas casino.

I think this is a great project though, that section of St. Botolph street is underutilized and it will be a safe place for loads of students to be going in and out. Will Northeastern be increasing its undergrad acceptance now that they have new space, or will this be used to eventually affect required on-campus housing for Sophomores, like what Emerson just did when their new dorms opened?
 

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