Logan Airport Capital Projects

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Well given they axed several gates of the Terminal E expansion during COVID I'd imagine the next project would be to build those, along with the Terminal E garage. But I don't think Logan is very gate constrained at the moment. Delta moved their international departures to Terminal E recently which presumably frees up some more gates at A as well.
 

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Well given they axed several gates of the Terminal E expansion during COVID I'd imagine the next project would be to build those, along with the Terminal E garage. But I don't think Logan is very gate constrained at the moment. Delta moved their international departures to Terminal E recently which presumably frees up some more gates at A as well.
With Delta ramping up international flights, you'd think that they would implement a post security A to E bus to facilitate easier connections.
 

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Had a friend from Austin visit a week or two ago and she was really impressed by the new building!
 

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With Delta ramping up international flights, you'd think that they would implement a post security A to E bus to facilitate easier connections.
Yeah I was wondering how they expect you to go from A to E without going out and coming back with a short connection
 

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JetBlue has nixed the Vancouver nonstop that was scheduled to start this summer. No word when/if it will ever happen. They have also cut Montrose/Telluride, Rochester and San Jose.
 

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Sorry for the dimness - the fog and rain was starting to come in when I took this photo today from One Beacon, but that red roof on Terminal E is going to stand out from any of the Boston towers.
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Looks like a giant red wing that's about to take off!! :unsure:
 
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"Summer 2022"

First time I've seen reference to a A-B connector
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They first started talking about a A-B connector years and years ago, but in 2019 they'd issued a consultant RFQ for a 200M Terminal A improvements project which included design of both A-B connectors and A-E connectors. The project numbers were L1622 and L1620, but were COVID casualties.
 

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It would be good if an A-B connector came with a short connector across B to make A-C and A-E airside connections somewhat feasible rather than having to walk all the way down to the B connector. An actual A-E connector would be amazing, but I have a hard time seeing it happen given the likely complexity of the project (through the parking garage).
 

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It would be good if an A-B connector came with a short connector across B to make A-C and A-E airside connections somewhat feasible rather than having to walk all the way down to the B connector. An actual A-E connector would be amazing, but I have a hard time seeing it happen given the likely complexity of the project (through the parking garage).
I would agree that a secure area "shortcut" that cuts the top off the U that is terminal B would be really nice, and wouldn't actually be too much longer than a straight shot through the garage. Frankly however, right now if I were a DL flyer, I'd be happy with an airside shuttle bus until the physical infrastructure is in place, though even that probably requires some interior reconfiguration.
 

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If the APM gets built, could that somehow provide a sterile connection between terminals? If so, that would be another benefit to building the APM.
 

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If the APM gets built, could that somehow provide a sterile connection between terminals? If so, that would be another benefit to building the APM.
The APM was planned to be landside.
Economy Garage - Blue - E - C- B - A - Rental Car

An airside APM probably wouldn't see that much traffic except when the Europe flights are departing. An APM for passengers arriving from Europe doesn't need to be airside.
 

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I would agree that a secure area "shortcut" that cuts the top off the U that is terminal B would be really nice, and wouldn't actually be too much longer than a straight shot through the garage. Frankly however, right now if I were a DL flyer, I'd be happy with an airside shuttle bus until the physical infrastructure is in place, though even that probably requires some interior reconfiguration.
Absolutely. Huffing it from the A Satellite to E must suck, although this isn't really a new problem given how many SkyTeam flights have been operating out of E in recent years, and it would only be needed during certain hours. I wonder if it has to do with some accessibility/security problem? For years they've had the JFK Jitney between T2 and T4.
 

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Absolutely. Huffing it from the A Satellite to E must suck, although this isn't really a new problem given how many SkyTeam flights have been operating out of E in recent years, and it would only be needed during certain hours. I wonder if it has to do with some accessibility/security problem? For years they've had the JFK Jitney between T2 and T4.
I'm willing to bet that it's because there's no passenger friendly way to get down to or up from the ramp, or for a bus to actually pull up. Since the advent of the jetbridge Logan never really had ground stands, beyond that for prop regionals like metroliners and 1900s, but I would be willing to bet passenger ramp access was never provisioned into terminals A or E. It'd be an investment to reconfigure the holdrooms, punch through the wall and basically shim in a new gate with a ramp or other structure to get passengers down to the ramp. The terminal shuttle buses I'm most familiar with is Uniteds at Newark and those at LAX where they basically built out a full gate for the thing with exterior stairs bus berths, shelters and elevators, or a rather long switchback ramp. I don't think there's room for that at Logan. As such, you'd basically have to give up a gate in both terminals, and kinda do what Cape Air is doing.

I'm told that the Cape Air / Boutique boarding experience is a particularly unglamorous affair involving a slightly perilous climb down the stairs on the side of a jetbridge. Mind you, I've never done it myself, but I suspect it's a lot easier to sell that for 9 people climbing into a Cessna to Martha's Vineyard, or for someone getting the Delta porsche transfer experience, rather than people expecting to get to their international widebody business class seat - especially since they'd have to climb up again.

*Edit: I also realized this just now: unlike a lot of other airports like Newark, Logan doesn't have a separated airside service road, outside from a short stretch at Terminal E. The Logan roads are such that they run around the outer edge of the terminal footprints, such that any shuttle would basically would constantly be stuck waiting for aircraft.
 

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I'm willing to bet that it's because there's no passenger friendly way to get down to or up from the ramp, or for a bus to actually pull up. Since the advent of the jetbridge Logan never really had ground stands, beyond that for prop regionals like metroliners and 1900s, but I would be willing to bet passenger ramp access was never provisioned into terminals A or E. It'd be an investment to reconfigure the holdrooms, punch through the wall and basically shim in a new gate with a ramp or other structure to get passengers down to the ramp. The terminal shuttle buses I'm most familiar with is Uniteds at Newark and those at LAX where they basically built out a full gate for the thing with exterior stairs bus berths, shelters and elevators, or a rather long switchback ramp. I don't think there's room for that at Logan. As such, you'd basically have to give up a gate in both terminals, and kinda do what Cape Air is doing.

I'm told that the Cape Air / Boutique boarding experience is a particularly unglamorous affair involving a slightly perilous climb down the stairs on the side of a jetbridge. Mind you, I've never done it myself, but I suspect it's a lot easier to sell that for 9 people climbing into a Cessna to Martha's Vineyard, or for someone getting the Delta porsche transfer experience, rather than people expecting to get to their international widebody business class seat - especially since they'd have to climb up again.

*Edit: I also realized this just now: unlike a lot of other airports like Newark, Logan doesn't have a separated airside service road, outside from a short stretch at Terminal E. The Logan roads are such that they run around the outer edge of the terminal footprints, such that any shuttle would basically would constantly be stuck waiting for aircraft.
Yes, and Terminal E is obviously a story higher than C (apart from the low E gates).
I guess it also depends on whether this is a seasonal change or permanent. The odd thing to me is that they put the year-round flights in E (except TLV) rather than the seasonal ones. It's harder to justify a construction project for something that won't even be used half of the year. The A330s will mostly go away in the winter for DTW-PHX or whatever and the problem kind of solves itself. As long as the security lines at E don't get out of hand it should be fine.
 

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