Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Air Europa is returning from mid-June until mid-September

Boston-Madrid will be Tue/Thurs/Sat in Summer 18 instead of Wed/Fri/Sun as it was last summer.

Southwest is also running a Saturday Boston-New Orleans flight for most of March.
 
Delta loaded a Saturday Boston-Aruba flight for Summer 18 June 9 - August 25. Its in Amadeus but not bookable yet nor has type of plane being used.


BOS-AUA 9:27-14:05 6
AUA-BOS 15:05-19:54 6
 
Without Norwegian, we still have Copenhagen service. I'm a little dismayed they killed Oslo service though. You'd think all the major Scandinavian cities would be well matched with Boston.
 
Jouhou said:
Without Norwegian, we still have Copenhagen service. I'm a little dismayed they killed Oslo service though. You'd think all the major Scandinavian cities would be well matched with Boston.
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I think Norwegian wants to be less involved/responsible with connections which made up a higher portion of the Boston-Copenhagen/Oslo flyers and leave it up to a service like GatwickConnects.
 
adamh8297 said:
I think Norwegian wants to be less involved/responsible with connections which made up a higher portion of the Boston-Copenhagen/Oslo flyers and leave it up to a service like GatwickConnects.
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It seems like you have access to some O&D numbers. If not Oslo, can Boston ever support a route to Stockholm?
 
Jouhou said:
It seems like you have access to some O&D numbers. If not Oslo, can Boston ever support a route to Stockholm?
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I feel like Boston could easily support cities like Oslo or Stockholm with a 737 or A320. A 787 is too large for those markets.

With the NEO and MAX hopefully we'll start seeing more flights to smaller and mid sized European cities.
 
tysmith95 said:
I feel like Boston could easily support cities like Oslo or Stockholm with a 737 or A320. A 787 is too large for those markets.

With the NEO and MAX hopefully we'll start seeing more flights to smaller and mid sized European cities.
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I would think between business traffic for the offshore wind industry mass is trying to jump start and simple tourist interest would have sustained the seasonal twice weekly oslo flight. I guess not. I don't want the 737 or a320- I refuse to fly long haul in the increasingly uncomfortable economy class and norwegian has no premium economy on these.
 
tysmith95 said:
I feel like Boston could easily support cities like Oslo or Stockholm with a 737 or A320. A 787 is too large for those markets.

With the NEO and MAX hopefully we'll start seeing more flights to smaller and mid sized European cities.
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My question would be, who is going to fly them? Boston - Europe is very well served and there really are not a lot of cities that would warrant service. Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Rome, Zurich, Amsterdam, London (Heathrow, Gatwick and Stanstead), Birmingham, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Manchester, Reykjavik, Copenhagen, Frankfurt and Munich all have non-stop service. Some of these are seasonal and for good reason. Apart from Brussels, Milan and maybe Berlin, what is left that would warrant service in Europe?
 
mass88 said:
My question would be, who is going to fly them? Boston - Europe is very well served and there really are not a lot of cities that would warrant service. Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Rome, Zurich, Amsterdam, London (Heathrow, Gatwick and Stanstead), Birmingham, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Manchester, Reykjavik, Copenhagen, Frankfurt and Munich all have non-stop service. Some of these are seasonal and for good reason. Apart from Brussels, Milan and maybe Berlin, what is left that would warrant service in Europe?
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True. Although I do think that the industry will move more towards narrow bodies across the Atlantic (at least for the northeast). Similar to how transcontinental flights have been taken over by narrow bodies over the years.

As far as additional cities Düsseldorf and Berlin may be able to sustain service. Athens could present an opening for a low cost carrier to do some seasonal service, although Athens might be too far for a narrow body plane. Although the Boston area does have a fairly large Greek diaspora, so that may help.
 
mass88 said:
My question would be, who is going to fly them? Boston - Europe is very well served and there really are not a lot of cities that would warrant service. Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, Rome, Zurich, Amsterdam, London (Heathrow, Gatwick and Stanstead), Birmingham, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Manchester, Reykjavik, Copenhagen, Frankfurt and Munich all have non-stop service. Some of these are seasonal and for good reason. Apart from Brussels, Milan and maybe Berlin, what is left that would warrant service in Europe?
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I really don't know how many other people like me there are who hate flight connections among other things. People fail to realize how important the actual journey to their destination is to their overall experience. And I've flown from bos-ewr-arn before in economy. Never again.
 
Jouhou said:
I really don't know how many other people like me there are who hate flight connections among other things. People fail to realize how important the actual journey to their destination is to their overall experience. And I've flown from bos-ewr-arn before in economy. Never again.
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Most frequent business travelers (out of Boston) are going to make a connection to stay on their preferred airline partnership for the miles, premium status points and upgrade potential. Our international service, while much better now, is very fragmented across partnerships and low cost carriers.
 
I do not have access to current O+D. Obviously there's the brookings report and I saw an SAS presentation before they made the expansion to LAX Miami and Boston with some Boston-Scandinavian numbers.

Pretty much London is 5 times all of Scandinavia combined based on past numbers.

Largest Greater-Boston Scandiavian markets pre Norwegian/SAS entrance into Logan/TF Green were:

1) Copenhagen
2) Stockholm
3) Oslo
4) Gothenburg, Sweden
5) Billund, Denmark

Those numbers could different and Bergen would have to be in top 5 now.

Concerning A321neo-LR and 737MAX, I've read that SAS is considering the LR. With that plane they could run Copenhagen daily all year and maybe add seasonal Stockholm/Oslo on a split operation or just split Copenhagen and Stockholm during winter instead of just Copenhagen daily.

JetBlue is supposed to make a decision very soon. I think they have to go into big markets (London/Paris) before jumping into unserved places like Brussels or Geneva.

Finally, Avianca's CEO has mentioned that Boston-San Salvador will be returning in 2018. This route was run by TACA who was merged with Avianca in the early 2000's. It is on page 6 of their inflight magazine in the link below. You may need flash or other browser plug-in to view.

https://www.aviancaenrevista.com/ediciones/edicion56.html
 
On a side note, we were talking foreign travel where language isn't an issue, if anyone wants trip ideas I highly recommend copenhagen. Scandinavians are well educated and most speak English very well, and the vibe of Copenhagen would resonate very well with Bostonians.

Also, thanks for the insights adam.
 
Although, I have my own insights, looking through the most recent massport route development presentation it's not outright said but implied that Seoul, Sao paulo (already announced), and Delhi are very close to happening. My guess is they are planned, but are waiting on aircraft/government approvals.
 
Jouhou said:
Although, I have my own insights, looking through the most recent massport route development presentation it's not outright said but implied that Seoul, Sao paulo (already announced), and Delhi are very close to happening. My guess is they are planned, but are waiting on aircraft/government approvals.
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Do you have a link to that one?
 
Hmm. Delhi and Mumbai would be very interesting. It would definitely take a bite out of Emirates, Qatar, and Turkish connecting traffic. I'm not sure about the numbers but if I had to guess more people are flying through Doha and Dubai onto India then the origin and destination traffic from those middle eastern cities.

I'd assume Air India would be the carrier. Don't know who else and I doubt that Delta would put their metal on that route.
 
tysmith95 said:
Hmm. Delhi and Mumbai would be very interesting. It would definitely take a bite out of Emirates, Qatar, and Turkish connecting traffic. I'm not sure about the numbers but if I had to guess more people are flying through Doha and Dubai onto India then the origin and destination traffic from those middle eastern cities.

I'd assume Air India would be the carrier. Don't know who else and I doubt that Delta would put their metal on that route.
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Jet airways also has long haul capabilities. Massport has been hoping for India for a long time, it's just that the airports/airlines there are a bit of a mess. I can imagine they wanted Mumbai but that airport is currently redefining "over capacity" so Delhi is probably assumed to be most likely.

Also, due to the reasons I just mentioned, this is the route least likely to happen in the next year or two.
 
Jouhou said:
Jet airways also has long haul capabilities. Massport has been hoping for India for a long time, it's just that the airports/airlines there are a bit of a mess. I can imagine they wanted Mumbai but that airport is currently redefining "over capacity" so Delhi is probably assumed to be most likely.

Also, due to the reasons I just mentioned, this is the route least likely to happen in the next year or two.
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Thanks I usually can find these online but not this time.

The way they were mentioned on that route map slide sounds like they are getting them since they were called "future destinations". It is interesting that 2 out of the highlighted routes are announced and Havana is in DOT approval limbo but other wanted routes such as San Jose CR, Milan, and Stockholm were not on that map. I can't believe JetBlue hasn't bit on San Jose to be honest.


tysmith95 said:
Hmm. Delhi and Mumbai would be very interesting. It would definitely take a bite out of Emirates, Qatar, and Turkish connecting traffic. I'm not sure about the numbers but if I had to guess more people are flying through Doha and Dubai onto India then the origin and destination traffic from those middle eastern cities.

I'd assume Air India would be the carrier. Don't know who else and I doubt that Delta would put their metal on that route.
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I'm wondering about Air India's fleet - Only 4 longhaul planes are on order three 777-300ER's and a 787-8.

Turkish will not be affected that much since they only fly to Delhi and Mumbai. They have more destinations in Pakistan than India! Turkish added more novel 1-stops from Logan than any new carrier so far.
 
It's also possible they've been talking to vistara for their future planned long haul operations. They've got the Singapore airlines connection so I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly had widebodies in their fleet.
 
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