Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

I'd argue the route to Traverse City is aimed at those from Northern Michigan and the UP access to Boston and New England more so than the other way around.

JetBlue has given Boston a large amount of attention the last several years. Seems now they want to firm up their position on the New York market. It'll be interesting to see which cities they add to the network as permanent service, these should be announced in the next 6-9 months. `
 
adamh8297 said:
More like a global hub if you take the two domestic airlines and their partners in cooperation (American/JetBlue + British Airways/Iberia/Qatar Airways/Cathay Pacific/Aer Lingus/Japan Airlines). I think JetBlue interlines or codeshares with all of American's international partners who serve Boston but not vice versa (especially Emirates!)

Nothing is loaded yet but Columbus should be at least 2x daily but I'm wondering if the others will be daily.

My guess is

2-3 daily Columbus E-170
1 daily Asheville E-170
2 weekly Wilmington E-170
2 weekly Traverse City E-170 - I am assuming this is a tourist route for New Englanders to see Great Lakes especially Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore
2 weekly Jackson Hole A319 (may work well with JetBlue's Bozeman flight - I think there are tours that start/end in the two locations)


Also JetBlue expanded Newark big time (Including Antigua which is due for a weekly from Logan) and added Boise and Kalispell, Montana from JFK. The only love Logan Airport got was Key West being expanded to year round service up to 4 weekly. It also sounds like Boston-Washington National is being trimmed a bit (down to 4 daily) due to the partnership with American.

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I'm honestly surprised jetblue didn't add any additional services out of Boston. I expected some fancy Carribesn routes, and maybe, just maybe some random NC SC GA VA city. And possibly a new Midwest City. Hope they announce a new route themselves out of Boston, granted they just expanded flights by 50 a day in 2020 (pre Covid, well see what happens in the run) to existing routes making NYC, DCA hourly and bumping services to places like ORD LAX SFO PHL etc...
 
Massachoicetts said:
I'm honestly surprised jetblue didn't add any additional services out of Boston. I expected some fancy Carribesn routes, and maybe, just maybe some random NC SC GA VA city. And possibly a new Midwest City. Hope they announce a new route themselves out of Boston, granted they just expanded flights by 50 a day in 2020 (pre Covid, well see what happens in the run) to existing routes making NYC, DCA hourly and bumping services to places like ORD LAX SFO PHL etc...
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It was phase 1. Maybe if vaccine roll-out improves we see Phase 2.

Also Boston-Traverse City per various Northern Michigan news outlets is saying 5x weekly E-170 for the service. No flights Tuesday and Wednesday.
https://www.record-eagle.com/news/b...cle_e474fa16-7227-11eb-aecb-979c4f0df482.html
 
Didn't JetBlue note on their recent earnings call that they were very close to selecting their next 2, permanent US routes and that they'd be in the Midwest?

I'd imagine they'll be making the announcement in Q2 2021.
 
mass88 said:
Didn't JetBlue note on their recent earnings call that they were very close to selecting their next 2, permanent US routes and that they'd be in the Midwest?

I'd imagine they'll be making the announcement in Q2 2021.
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Kansas city, st louis, and milwaukee are all served by only one airline to BOS and would be probable expansion targets for jetblue.

Oklahoma city and des moines are two unserved markets that would make sense.
 
tysmith95 said:
Kansas city, st louis, and milwaukee are all served by only one airline to BOS and would be probable expansion targets for jetblue.

Oklahoma city and des moines are two unserved markets that would make sense.
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And Greensboro. GSO is the 2nd Largest O/D destination unserved to BOS. could see AA doing this one
 
Massachoicetts said:
And Greensboro. GSO is the 2nd Largest O/D destination unserved to BOS. could see AA doing this one
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Is that 2020 data? Are you getting Greensboro mixed up with Greenville SC?

I just checked the last full quarter pre COVID (Q4 2019) on DOT and got the following destinations for top O+D's unserved at the time in order from highest to lowest

San Antonio
Norfolk VA
Memphis (was announced right before lockdowns)
Louisville
Greenville SC
Madison (Sun Country announced but not sure if it was served)
Omaha
Birmingham AL
Grand Rapids (Allegiant now serves)
Oklahoma City
Knoxville TN (Allegiant now serves)
Des Moines
Reno/Lake Tahoe
Dayton
Greensboro NC
Wilmington NC (American to fly weekly S2021)
Pensacola
El Paso
Huntsville AL

Granted I guarantee a lot of people in Greensboro drive to RDU. I find it strange that Asheville is not in the top 20 but will most likely have service by 2 airlines come this summer.
 
tysmith95 said:
Indy already has 2 carriers on it, including american which is now a code share partner.
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In the before times, Indy used to have Delta. However, Delta lost interest and Southwest stepped in. That caused Delta to vastly increase service to push them out. The lack of real competition made it annoyingly expensive to get convenient directs.

My comment was also about JetBlue ignoring Indy entirely. It seemed like a glaring gap in their network.
 
adamh8297 said:
Is that 2020 data? Are you getting Greensboro mixed up with Greenville SC?

I just checked the last full quarter pre COVID (Q4 2019) on DOT and got the following destinations for top O+D's unserved at the time in order from highest to lowest
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Can you share where this data set is? I can never find it
 
jass said:
Can you share where this data set is? I can never find it
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You used to just be able to download the quarterly spread sheet.

Main Page where you find the tables: https://www.transportation.gov/policy/aviation-policy/domestic-airline-consumer-airfare-report

Consumer Airfare Report: Table 6 - Contiguous State City-Pair Markets That Average At Least 10 Passengers Per Day | Department of Transportation - Data Portal

data.transportation.gov data.transportation.gov

On the page above click the "View Data" Button. You have to create filters for the dataset you want then export as csv or csv for excel. I recommend filtering by the quarter and year then downloading. Its hard to just filter out Boston since any city that is alphabetically before will be in City 1 column where as anything alphabetically after it will be City 2 column. The passenger number is the total traffic both directions combined so you divide by two for the widely used airline industry metric PDEW. Example Q4 2019 Boston-San Antonio was 377 passengers so PDEW is 188.5. Finally, Boston includes Manchester/Providence/Portsmouth but not Worcester!

I'm starting to look at the data from 2020 (I was dreading it - feels like a stock market when it pops). Obviously traffic is way down and LAX was the #1 market from BOS in Q3 - usually it is Washington DC (includes DCA/IAD/BWI).
 
I'd guess StL for Jetblue. There's a decent bit of biotech travel to and from there and Jetblue seems to cover Boston business travel markets pretty deeply.
 
After 35 years of flying to Nebraska once or twice a year, an Omaha connection would be awesome! Closest direct is Kansas City, MO which I have done a number of times. I've also flown to Denver and rented a car and driven 5 hours EAST. However, flying into Omaha and driving 3 hours WEST is better. :)
 
Java King said:
After 35 years of flying to Nebraska once or twice a year, an Omaha connection would be awesome! Closest direct is Kansas City, MO which I have done a number of times. I've also flown to Denver and rented a car and driven 5 hours EAST. However, flying into Omaha and driving 3 hours WEST is better. :)
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Very surprised these routes from BOS dont exist:

DL or AA BOS-OMA
DL BOS-GSO
DL or B6 BOS-SAT
B6 BOS-ORF , year round?
DL BOS-SDF
B6 BOS-RNO
 
I noticed some interesting increases in Winter 2022 looking at JetBlue schedule extension. I focused on JetBlue's VFR/leisure routes

Port Au Prince - daily starting mid December
Santo Domingo - up to 3 daily

I wonder if this is the response to Eastern - should be easy for the incumbent to drive them off these routes just by providing the service.

More on the leisure side for JetBlue

Barbados being increased to 3 weekly
Aruba - up to 4 flights a day at peak times (i.e Saturdays for Xmas/New Year)
St. Maarten still is light - only Saturdays

Finally American has increased Providenciales Turks and Caicos to daily beginning 12/15/21. Is this part of the partnership with JetBlue?
 
I’ve been thinking that Breeze would do well with a base in GSO
 
Arlington said:
I’ve been thinking that Breeze would do well with a base in GSO
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Here's the plan from https://onemileatatime.com/breeze-airways/

  • Breeze will fly from an airport in the southeast to four airports in the northeast, and from another airport even further south to four airports in the northeast, southeast, and southern plains
  • In the months to follow, Breeze will increase operations from the two initial airports in the southeast, and add a third airport
  • By July 2021, Breeze plans to increase service from existing airports, and also fly from another airport in the southeast to airports in the northeast, southern plains, and mid-Atlantic

From this - GSO could definitely be the first base and then they add something like Greenville SC or Birmingham AL. The question is with the NE airports. Will Breeze chooses the main airport for a metro (Logan, JFK, Newark) or an alternative (Providence, Manchester NH, Islip-Long Island, White Plains). I think Breeze will be able to use Terminal E so it may be Logan over the other alternatives.

We could wind up with BOS-GSO/GSP/BHM and maybe another Northern Florida destination out of this.

The only alternative theory is that Louisville is the main base to start but it is considered both a midwest and southern city.
 
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