Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Stlin said:
FR24 shows that AS389 was taking off on 22L at the time UA688 went around. There's also the ATC recording available - scroll to minute 22 or so. Based on that I *think* they were trying to get AS389 out first, but either timed it poorly or the Alaska crew didn't expedite. But the ATC quality is poor enough that they could have meant after the UA flight landed. Go arounds happen everyday at every major airport; it's functionally routine - but it'll be up to the FAA to decide if it ever got inside the bubble that defines an actual incursion. (Also, note that 400ft was its lowest point of decent; it passed above government center at about 1400.)
Click to expand...

The controller talking to the Alaska flight clearly anticipated getting AS389 out ahead of the United landing. That "no delay on the roll" language is common when they're trying to move them in tight timeframes (and it sounded like he said it again to Alaska). Still could be the case that they tried to send it out in too narrow a window, but it's hard to say from the recording. But the controller for AS389 clearly intended for it to depart before the United.
 
Iberia is going to use its new A321XLR on its non-stop service from Madrid beginning this November. Currently, they operate service to Boston daily April through October and 4 weekly November through March. With the introduction of the A321, they will increase service during winter to daily as of mid-December. Will be curious to see what they run for NS 2025.
 
Frontier is expanding its network in Boston. Beginning August 13th, they will launch daily service to Atlanta and Charlotte plus 4-weekly flights to Dallas/Ft. Worth beginning August 14th.
 
kmp1284 said:
Wonder if this spells the end of JetBlue’s London/Europe experiment. Would be nice to see BA bring back the fourth daily.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240701-bab6codeshare
Click to expand...
Nah, looking at the routes on which they're code sharing its basically a feed agreement. If anything probably helps solidify JetBlue in Europe. JetBlue will allow BA to sell seat stock on their flights from Boston to Bozeman, Salt Lake City, Vegas etc, basically adding Jetblue flights as options to existing AA/ Oneworld codeshares. Reciprocally BA will allow JetBlue to sell seats on BA flights from LON to Amsterdam, Oslo, Dusseldorf etc.

Notably, they're not code sharing the transatlantic segment. In practice this allows a BA passenger to book BA CPH-LHR-BOS-SLC, with the SLC leg operated by JetBlue. JetBlue could sell the reverse route with the LHR-CPH leg operated by BA.
 
Last edited:
Apparently Delta is opening a new A330 hub in Boston. Announced a few days ago, not yet clear what it means in terms of new routes, etc.

aviationa2z.com

Delta Opening New A330 Pilot Base at Boston Airport

Delta Air Lines (DL) will open a new pilot base in Boston (BOS), marking the first in a significant time. This base will be for Airbus A330 pilots, highlighting the airline's substantial recent investments in The Hub.
aviationa2z.com aviationa2z.com
 
itchy said:
Apparently Delta is opening a new A330 hub in Boston. Announced a few days ago, not yet clear what it means in terms of new routes, etc.

aviationa2z.com

Delta Opening New A330 Pilot Base at Boston Airport

Delta Air Lines (DL) will open a new pilot base in Boston (BOS), marking the first in a significant time. This base will be for Airbus A330 pilots, highlighting the airline's substantial recent investments in The Hub.
aviationa2z.com aviationa2z.com
Click to expand...
My understanding is that it won't materially affect new routes until Delta gets the rest of its a330 order from Airbus. The a330s are already what DL is flying on its transatlantics out of BOS. From an airline captain I'm good friends with, (but not Delta) what is should do is increase reliability and cut costs for DL since BOS is currently flown as the middle of a multi-day trip by pilots out of any of the other a330 bases.

That means that, for example, a crew might be scheduled to work JFK-AMS-BOS-AMS-JFK over 6 days, (It's known as a W pattern) increasing breakage if a pilot times out or gets sick somewhere in the middle of that. With that, DL would likely have to delay until they're legal, hope someone who already was close by picks up the trip or deadhead a short call reserve pilot in from say JFK. Plus, that pattern has to intersect with another crews so you can actually maintain a daily cadence of flights, and all the while DL is paying per diem and for boston hotels for the JFK/DTW/ATL based a330 crews. (Especially since JFK vs BOS might be the difference between a 3 vs 2 man flight crew) Once there's a local base, all that goes away, since they're only paid for time out of base, even if the pilot actually lives in Florida. There's apparently a healthy chunk of reasonably senior DL pilots who already live around here who will now just drive to BOS instead of JFK/ commuting to Atlanta. Trips then can get scheduled as 3 days to fly BOS-AMS-BOS, and that operational flexibility might be where new destinations or frequencies become more of an opportunity because they're no longer linked to flights from another DL base.
 
Last edited:
itchy said:
Apparently Delta is opening a new A330 hub in Boston. Announced a few days ago, not yet clear what it means in terms of new routes, etc.

aviationa2z.com

Delta Opening New A330 Pilot Base at Boston Airport

Delta Air Lines (DL) will open a new pilot base in Boston (BOS), marking the first in a significant time. This base will be for Airbus A330 pilots, highlighting the airline's substantial recent investments in The Hub.
aviationa2z.com aviationa2z.com
Click to expand...

I would not be shocked to see some of DUB/EDI/LIS switch to A332 from B763, but that's about it from a passenger's perspective.
 
I started writing this to you from the first row of an Embraer 190 as it rattled through the sky between Boston and Baltimore like an MBTA bus with wings. If this plane interior had a color, it would be called “Soiled.” Seriously, what is it, gray, tan, some unspoken shade in between? Windows all but whistle. My tray table won’t fold back into the armrest. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a message scraped into the scuffed and smudged walls: “Orville Wright was here.”
Click to expand...

Not to live in the past, but JetBlue’s arrival in Boston in 2004 was a transformative event. You quickly went from a single gate and a few departures a day to just about an entire terminal and the most flights of any airline out of Logan. You were credited with keeping everyone’s fares down because of the competition you brought. You had new planes, irreverent crew members, and leather seats with the biggest novelty in the sky: live television.
Click to expand...

But a funny thing happens to an innovative startup. It eventually gets old. The question always is, does it age well? JetBlue has most decidedly not. So many of your planes are exhausted. Your finances are under water. Others caught up to your innovative ideas, and you lost your innovative spirit, unless you want to count your failed purchase of the universally loathed Spirit airlines, which cost you hundreds of millions of dollars with precisely nothing to show for it. These days, your five-inch screens in the back of your often scruffy seats look like a throwback to another time. So you keep pushing “name brand snacks,” as if an especially small bag of plantain chips is going to rock anyone’s world.
Click to expand...

^^^ Excerpts from a lamentation by Brian McGrory, a columnist for the Boston Globe.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/07...ton-logan/?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter

JetBlue is different. You were always the underdog taking on the huge legacy airlines, in the way that Boston was essentially born with a chipped shoulder. You carved out a unique spot, between the budget airlines and the proud national carriers. You were creative in the way Boston likes to think it is. And now you need some discipline, and a reinvention, in the way the Patriots and Red Sox and our mass transit system and housing markets all do.
Click to expand...
 
Spot on! Good to see someone finally acknowledge this. JetBlue's planes are TIRED, at least short- / medium-haul trips out of Boston.

They're really a world apart from any other airline I've flown in recent years (AA, Delta, United, Spirit and international carriers) in terms of modernization and comfort of their interiors - it's a striking difference.
 
I used to be a JetBlue die hard but have mostly moved to Delta for all those reasons stated above, especially because of their vastly superior international network. I think the criticism of JetBlue's hard product is a little unfair for a few reasons, though. First, the ancient Embraers are all going to be gone in 12 months or so. They're abysmal and laughable from every perspective, but they're so close to being gone for good. The A220/Bombardier C Series replacing them is a wonderful plane and the two times I've flown on the JetBlue version I was impressed.

Their A321 NEOs are also quite nice, with big monitors and bluetooth connections for personal headphones. I think those are being pushed into the Transatlantic market first, so their transcon routes are stuck with aging hardware as well. I agree the Spirit acquisition was a distraction, but the hard product is slowly getting better.


simpleflying.com

JetBlue Now Expects To Save $100 Million In Costs By Swapping Embraer E-190s For Airbus A220s

Every little helps as the carrier strives to return to profitability.
simpleflying.com simpleflying.com
 
Delta firming up its NW 2024 schedule from Boston.


1720544631340.png
 
Justbuildit said:
I used to be a JetBlue die hard but have mostly moved to Delta for all those reasons stated above, especially because of their vastly superior international network. I think the criticism of JetBlue's hard product is a little unfair for a few reasons, though. First, the ancient Embraers are all going to be gone in 12 months or so. They're abysmal and laughable from every perspective, but they're so close to being gone for good. The A220/Bombardier C Series replacing them is a wonderful plane and the two times I've flown on the JetBlue version I was impressed.

Their A321 NEOs are also quite nice, with big monitors and bluetooth connections for personal headphones. I think those are being pushed into the Transatlantic market first, so their transcon routes are stuck with aging hardware as well. I agree the Spirit acquisition was a distraction, but the hard product is slowly getting better.


simpleflying.com

JetBlue Now Expects To Save $100 Million In Costs By Swapping Embraer E-190s For Airbus A220s

Every little helps as the carrier strives to return to profitability.
simpleflying.com simpleflying.com
Click to expand...

For me the biggest issue with JetBlue is on time performance. Even though not many are writing news articles about it, the data is all publicly available for anyone who cares to look. Jetblue trails the top 3 major carriers by 10-30% fewer flights arriving on time, even after correcting for different routes, congested airports, etc. Not sure how much travelers care about this versus cabin comfort, though.
 
sneijder said:
For me the biggest issue with JetBlue is on time performance. Even though not many are writing news articles about it, the data is all publicly available for anyone who cares to look. Jetblue trails the top 3 major carriers by 10-30% fewer flights arriving on time, even after correcting for different routes, congested airports, etc. Not sure how much travelers care about this versus cabin comfort, though.
Click to expand...
JetBlue's on-time record certainly makes me think twice about using them when I have an option. I have been burned too many times with delays that flip travel to the next day.
 
sneijder said:
For me the biggest issue with JetBlue is on time performance. Even though not many are writing news articles about it, the data is all publicly available for anyone who cares to look. Jetblue trails the top 3 major carriers by 10-30% fewer flights arriving on time, even after correcting for different routes, congested airports, etc. Not sure how much travelers care about this versus cabin comfort, though.
Click to expand...

It’s an airline seat, not the rack. I think the vast majority of travelers value timeliness and access to other options in event of cancellation over a tiny bit more comfort(is JetBlue even markedly more comfortable?).
 
atlantaden said:
www.routesonline.com

Delta Air Lines Expands Services to Aruba

Delta Air Lines announces restart of MSP-AUA service and increased frequencies from other key U.S. markets for Winter 2024-2025
www.routesonline.com www.routesonline.com

Delta expanding BOS to Aruba!
Click to expand...
That's a longtime JetBlue route. Aggressive.

It’s an airline seat, not the rack. I think the vast majority of travelers value timeliness and access to other options in event of cancellation over a tiny bit more comfort(is JetBlue even markedly more comfortable?).
Click to expand...
Per SeatGeak https://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_economy.php... maybe? eh?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top