Millennium Tower (Filene's) | 426 Washington Street | Downtown

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Who in this neighborhood is really going to complain here? I just can't see very much complaint coming from any direction here. Not to say there will be none, of course someone will come out of the woodwork, but how much of an argument can anyone have against this...

I enjoy the open space. It should be a park. Besides, tall buildings aren't very green. And it won't be made out of brick (or "brick" precast). I think I will organize the neighborhood opposition.
 
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I enjoy the open space. It should be a park. Besides, tall buildings aren't very green. And it won't be made out of brick (or "brick" precast). I think I will organize the neighborhood opposition.

This is the only disappointing part for me. It'll be a shite metal podium with faux-brick "piers" and "loft style" curtain wall above: a bland boring repeat a sad facsimile of a copycat design of an homage. Ugh.

Let's be vigilant on the streetscape design / interaction at these public meetings. This approval process sounds like it is going to be Son of Liberty Mutual.

Good god. Are you one of those neighborhood nutters that show up at the inaugural CAC and bitch for 10 minutes because no one can tell you if the rubbish barrels will be painted black or green?
 
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I agree with the whole street/pedestrian thing but as far as towers go, this seems like the ideal site.

Why is height limited to 600'? I'm asking if there's a serious answer beyond "NIMBY" and other conjecture.
 
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I don't recall height ever being an issue with this project, so why would it be now when the whole city is desperate to get The Hole filled?

The only concern I have about this right now is the ground floor. The new designers, Handel Architects, seem totally unable to design thoughtful and engaging ground-levels. Their other Boston buildings, One Charles, the Ritz Towers and, from what I've seen in the drawings, the under-construction Hayward Place all suffer from this affliction. They all go something like this: Cheesy granite-veneered blank walls occasionally interrupted by aluminum storefront windows right out of the catalog, aluminum entrances right out of the catalog, egress doors and garage entrances--but mostly blank, veneered (if we're lucky) walls. These ground-floors just seem like afterthoughts to me--banal, unengaging, totally devoid of thought, or detail.

I hope that, considering the importance of the retail component of this project, these concerns are unfounded. I'm pretty sure they'll be forced to think a little harder about the ground-floor of this one.
 
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The best part of this project being started up again?

Toby is back.
 
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Handel can work with preserving historic structures.

Only in certain parts of Washington DC would an incinerator be considered historic and thus had to be preserved.

Handel converted it into a Ritz Carlton.
http://handelarch.com/projects/location/washington-dc/ritz-carlton-georgetown.html

They also moved two old wood frame houses off-site, and then moved them back, and restored them. One of the houses serves as the fire control room.

The project to look at for ground floor retail is perhaps the Four Seasons San Francisco. Google 763 Market on street view. That building has 100,000 sq ft of retail.
 
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Handel can work with preserving historic structures.

Only in certain parts of Washington DC would an incinerator be considered historic and thus had to be preserved.

Handel converted it into a Ritz Carlton.
http://handelarch.com/projects/location/washington-dc/ritz-carlton-georgetown.html

They also moved two old wood frame houses off-site, and then moved them back, and restored them. One of the houses serves as the fire control room.

The project to look at for ground floor retail is perhaps the Four Seasons San Francisco. Google 763 Market on street view. That building has 100,000 sq ft of retail.

Let's hope they assign a team from either DC or San Francisco, rather than the dreary "gray cladding" crowd they have used in the past in Boston
 
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Nothing on their website fills me with any kind of great confidence to be honest.

Nothing terrible, just nothing striking either.
 
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2.1 Type and Use
Four interconnected buildings comprise the Filene’s complex parcel bound by
Washington, Summer, Franklin and Hawley streets in Boston’s Central Business
District. The earliest of the four buildings, located at the southwest corner of
Franklin and Hawley streets was constructed in 1905 by the architectural firm of
Peters and Rice. This building was purpose built for the Jones, McDuffee and
Stratton Company, regarded as one of the largest wholesalers and retailers of
ceramics and glass in the country in the early twentieth century, in business from
1810 to about 1955. Filene’s expanded into this building in 1929 when the Jones,
McDuffee, and Stratton Company moved to Boylston Street. The building was
extensively renovated in 1997. The original purpose-built Filene’s store, located
at the northeast corner of Washington and Summer streets, extending the full
block of Summer Street between Washington and Hawley streets, occupies about
half of the parcel. This building was constructed in 1912 from the designs of
Daniel Burnham for use as a retail store for William Filene’s and Sons Company.
It has operated in this capacity continuously. The third building constructed on
the Filene’s parcel is located on Hawley Street between the original Filene’s store
and the Jones, McDuffee, and Stratton Company building. This addition was
constructed in 1951 and was designed for use as a loading dock and service
structure. The final addition to the Filene’s complex occurred in 1973 when the
architectural firm of Sumner Schein designed the three story addition at the
southeast corner of Franklin and Washington streets which further expanded the
sales space of the store.
2.2 Physical Description
Jones, McDuffee, and Stratton Company Building, 1905
The Jones, McDuffee, and StrattonCompany building typifies the early
skyscrapers of the twentieth century with its tripartite arrangement and soaring
verticality made famous by Louis Sullivan’s Wainwright Building in St. Louis,
Missouri of 1890. The nine story building features a two story granite storefront
base, surmounted by a single granite-faced story, and a shaft of six additional
stories executed in red brick. The building extends seven bays on Franklin Street,
and five bays on Hawley Street and is capped with a flat roof.
The storefront level of the Jones, McDuffee, and Stratton Company building is
articulated by large, chamfered granite piers with Greek fretwork carved into the
capitals. The storefront level features a glazed corner entrance, flanked by glazed
display windows. A fast food window occupies the westernmost bay of the
Franklin Street elevation, and green metal panels cover the storefront level
openings in the southernmost bay of the Hawley Street elevation. Paired, green
metal panels separated by decorative colonettes fill the second story space
between the glazed openings and the upper stories. A simple granite cornice
separates the storefront level from the third story. This granite–faced story is
unadorned but for chamfering at the jambs of the paired sash and an ornate
granite-framed clock at the corner of Hawley and Franklin streets. A granite
cornice with more carved fretwork delineates the division between the granite and
brick upper stories. The shaft is comprised of six-story red brick pilasters with
granite bases flanking recessed, paired green metal window sash and decorative
green metal spandrels. The building terminates with recessed red brick spandrels
and a flat roof. The west façade of the building, devoid of apertures but for the
southernmost bay, reflects the arrangement of the block prior to the Sumner
Schein addition when taller buildings occupied this block of Franklin Street.
This building underwent substantial façade restoration efforts in 1997.
Alterations included: covering existing granite watertables with sheet metal that
matched the color and profile of the exisitng watertables, removing and replacing
all of the brick cladding with replacement brick that matched the old brick in
color and appearance, replacement of cracked granite units with new matching
granite units, removing and replacing deteriorated cast iron decorative brackets
with FRP replica units, and replacement of the existing aluminum windows with
new aluminum units.

RECOMMENDATIONS
Much more than a revered local business, Filene’s embodies the visionary ideals
of German immigrant, William Filene, and his sons Edward and Lincoln Filene,
whose progressive approaches to management and merchandizing that advocated
for employee empowerment and co-operative relationships between vendors drew
national attention and transformed the retail industry. The original purpose-built
Filene’s store at the corner of Washington and Summer streets comprising half of
the parcel is further distinguished as the last major commission and the only work
in the Commonwealth of nationally prominent architect and urban planner, Daniel
Burnham. The lone survivor of buildings that predate the construction of the
Filene’s store on the parcel is significant for its associations with the expansion of
Filene’s but also for its associations with its original tenant, the Jones, McDuffee,
and Stratton Company, recognized as one of the largest American importers of
glass and pottery in the country in the early twentieth century, in business from
1810-1955.
Therefore, the staff of the Boston Landmarks Commission
recommends that the Filene’s Complex as described in Section 6.1A, be
designated a Landmark under Chapter 772 of the Acts of 1975, as amended. The
boundaries shall correspond to Ward 3, Parcel 0304584010, bound by
Washington, Summer, Franklin, and Hawley streets.
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Of course if you ask me, I'd say it should be preserved because whatever would be built in it's place is 100% guaranteed to be much worse.
 
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Bad dog wants biscuit to behave!

How about a dram of Talisker 18? You'd look silly with a picket-sign in your paws anyway...


General thoughts:
  • Good to see some forward movement here, but I'll reserve judgement until I see a revised plan and renderings;
  • Being a fan of transparent government, if the Mayor and his henchmen did a tit-for-tat for Vornado to further their agenda Suffolk Downs, I think we all should be troubled.
 
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Guys -- let's see what Millenium puts on the table -- the key is that its not Roth and Vornado anymore -- this is a local boy with the Ritz his signature project diagonally opposite

The architect has to appreciate the Great of the Burnham and the very good of the earlier Peters and Rice (facade)

Thus the combination of Millennium and the historic proximate aspect -- I'm expecting this will be a tall good and perhaps almost great project - i suspect the tower will be recessed from all but one corner
 
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Guys -- let's see what Millenium puts on the table -- the key is that its not Roth and Vornado anymore -- this is a local boy with the Ritz his signature project diagonally opposite

Millenium is a New York City company. Millenium owns 50%, Vornado owns 50%. Not a big change here
 
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The casino people need the Mayor. To get a gaming license from the State Gaming Commission, pursuant to G.L. c. 23K, s.9 an applicant must:

"(8) provide to the commission a signed agreement between the host community and the applicant setting forth the conditions to have a gaming establishment located within the host community; provided, however, that the agreement shall include a community impact fee for the host community and all stipulations of responsibilities between the host community and the applicant, including stipulations of known impacts from the development and operation of a gaming establishment"

It is this host agreement that will set out all the bennys that the City will get. And it better be PHAT. Elsewise, no "host agreement", no casino license.

So even if the Mayor got hosed on the hole, and is having to swallow his pride a little now by playing along with the straws, he ought to get his own back in negotiating the host agreement. (The only question is whether the referendum vote would be city wide or limited to Eastie.)
 
Sketchup model in Google Earth

Gents,

I wanted to get an idea of how a 600ft tower would look in the Filene's location, so I recreated the original rendering, and added the additional height. The building is exactly the same height at the Federal Reserve, not counting the mechanical floors and a decorative mast I threw in. Here are the views from several locations. Enjoy!

Park Street Station
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Beacon Hill
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Public Garden at Charles Street
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Fenway Park - Left Field Grandstand
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Piers Park in Eastie
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Longfellow Bridge
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BU Bridge
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Top of the Hancock
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Above South Bay Highway Interchange
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Closeup
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So even if the Mayor got hosed on the hole, and is having to swallow his pride a little now by playing along with the straws, he ought to get his own back in negotiating the host agreement. (The only question is whether the referendum vote would be city wide or limited to Eastie.)

Hearing stories about Kevin White, I think such a negotiation is possible.

Nuff said.

PS. Nice work, shiz02130!
 
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Wow, I had no idea 600 feet could make that kind of impact! I know I'm just getting greedy, but I'd like to see what 700 feet would look like here. Could be a game changer.
 
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