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Boston and Everett officials seeking more input on proposal.
The Kraft Group wants to transform the old Everett Power Plant site into a home for the New England Revolution.

It's working with Everett and Boston on potential impacts to both cities.

Boston Mayor Michele Wu said few details have been shared and the city is concerned about the potential traffic impact on Charlestown.

Everett city leaders are also seeking more information and public input.

Some decisions on the stadium are up against a May 1 deadline when a mediator would get involved in discussions.
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City seeks public input on Everett soccer stadium proposal

Both Boston and Everett would need to sign off on the stadium plan for it to move forward.
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Wu administration steps up pressure for Revs stadium mitigation - The Boston Globe

Wu’s chief of planning sent a letter to a Kraft Group executive outlining the issues, including traffic and economic impact, that Wu and her team want to see addressed.
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Kairos Shen, Boston Mayor Michelle Wu’s chief of planning, sent a letter to Kraft Group executive Brian Bilello on Monday outlining the many issues, including traffic and environmental concerns, that Wu and her team want to see addressed by the Krafts.
Shen wrote that he is frustrated over the fact that Bilello, president of the Kraft-owned New England Revolution, apparently has not moved from a proposed $750,000 worth of mitigation efforts, essentially money for improvements to athletic fields in nearby Charlestown. Shen also wants more detailed information from the Krafts about the project’s impacts.
“While these meetings have been cordial,” Shen wrote, referencing the negotiations, “the information you have shared remains conceptual with none of the technical detail and analysis needed as a baseline to properly assess the impact of your proposal or negotiate a fair agreement for the City of Boston.”
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In an attachment to the letter, the Wu administration outlines a series of concerns it would like to see addressed, or at least analyzed. They include: MBTA connections and capacity for those attending games and concerts, off-site parking options, the effects on water quality in the Mystic and Boston Harbor, flood resilience, noise impacts, and estimates of the number of construction and permanent jobs.
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lol, as if Brian Bilello is making the financial decisions here.

The concerns surrounding the stadium will vanish as soon as Wu is re-elected.
 
SteelyTom said:
lol, as if Brian Bilello is making the financial decisions here.

The concerns surrounding the stadium will vanish as soon as Wu is re-elected.
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NWSL sets new attendance record in 2024, up 6% on average

The NWSL set a new attendance record in 2024, according to a report from Sports Business Journal, as clubs averaged 11,250 fans in attendance, a six percent increase compared to the previous year.
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Simple Math:

-The renovated White Stadium will have a slightly under 11,000 capacity.
- 2024 NWSL league AVERAGE attendance was 11,250...........and the league is growing attendance by over 6% per year
- that means the Legacy will have to sell out EVERY game just to be 250 BEHIND 2024 league average

Within 5 years (at 6% annual growth, the AVERAGE attendance in NWSL is then 15,055) this franchise will either fold or move to a bigger stadium, leaving the City of Boston holding the financial bag.
 
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www.espn.com

NWSL sets new attendance record in 2024, up 6% on average

The NWSL set a new attendance record in 2024, according to a report from Sports Business Journal, as clubs averaged 11,250 fans in attendance, a six percent increase compared to the previous year.
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Simple Math:

-The renovated White Stadium will have a slightly under 11,000 capacity.
- 2024 NWSL league AVERAGE attendance was 11,250...........and the league is growing attendance by over 6% per year
- that means the Legacy will have to sell out EVERY game just to be 250 BEHIND 2024 league average

Within 5 years (at 6% annual growth, the AVERAGE attendance in NWSL is then 15,055) this franchise will either fold or move to a bigger stadium, leaving the City of Boston holding the financial bag.
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Noting about the stadium in Everett has anything to do with White Stadium. Nothing.
 
BronsonShore said:
Noting about the stadium in Everett has anything to do with White Stadium. Nothing.
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……except that the Krafts had previously made serious overtures to the Legacy(or whatever they were called before) to be tenants in their larger, better soccer-only stadium (not sharing a high school football field or track). Wu wanted to have a major league NWSL franchise in Boston and made the deal for Franklin Park while the BosNation ownership rejected the Kraft offer not wanting to be “the little sister’ (their words) tenant.

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Why does Boston need two soccer stadiums, anyway? - The Boston Globe

As the New England Revolution and the BOS Nation Football Club projects sprint forward, maybe it’s time to pause and ask if the teams could just share a venue.
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The Everett stadium has EVERYTHING to do with Franklin Park’s White Stadium - - and whether the City of Boston will be left holding the bag when the Legacy realize 11,000 seat capacity in Franklin Park shared with BPS is far less business savvy for them than 25,000 seat soccer only stadium on the soon to be bustling entertainment/casino/restaurant district Everett Waterfront. She is trying to block that stadium for this very worry. That small but expensive Franklin Park stadium is a slow motion economic car crash, especially if the Everett Stadium becomes a reality.
 
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shmessy said:
……except that the Krafts had previously made serious overtures to the Legacy(or whatever they were called before) to be tenants in their larger, better soccer-only stadium (not sharing a high school football field or track). Wu wanted to have a major league NWSL franchise in Boston and made the deal for Franklin Park while the BosNation ownership rejected the Kraft offer not wanting to be “the little sister’ (their words) tenant.

www.bostonglobe.com

Why does Boston need two soccer stadiums, anyway? - The Boston Globe

As the New England Revolution and the BOS Nation Football Club projects sprint forward, maybe it’s time to pause and ask if the teams could just share a venue.
www.bostonglobe.com www.bostonglobe.com

The Everett stadium has EVERYTHING to do with Franklin Park’s White Stadium - - and whether the City of Boston will be left holding the bag when the Legacy realize 11,000 seat capacity in Franklin Park shared with BPS is far less business savvy for them than 25,000 seat soccer only stadium on the soon to be bustling entertainment/casino/restaurant district Everett Waterfront. She is trying to block that stadium for this very worry. That small but expensive Franklin Park stadium is a slow motion economic car crash, especially if the Everett Stadium becomes a reality.
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There is no BAG to be left with. The city is getting a thoroughly modernized mid-sized stadium that it will own in perpetuity -- a stadium that, in its pre-dilapidated state, was a genuine asset to the city -- and it's only paying for half of the construction. The facility is going to continue to be a public facility that will serve the schools and greater community. And that it will still be the case whenever the soccer team leaves -- which won't be nearly as soon as you're trying to claim by strangling the attendance numbers (hint: that 11,000 average attendance is hugely skewed by the two Southern California theams that each draw close to 20,000; the rest of the league averages between 5-8,000, making White Stadium the perfect size).
 
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There is no BAG to be left with. The city is getting a thoroughly modernized mid-sized stadium that it will own in perpetuity -- a stadium that, in its pre-dilapidated state, was a genuine asset to the city -- and it's only paying for half of the construction. The facility is going to continue to be a public facility that will serve the schools and greater community. And that it will still be the case whenever the soccer team leaves -- which won't be nearly as soon as you're trying to claim by strangling the attendance numbers (hint: that 11,000 average attendance is hugely skewed by the two Southern California theams that each draw close to 20,000; the rest of the league averages between 5-8,000, making White Stadium the perfect size).
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Also, given how long the stadium was in its prior state, why do we think there would have been any project to renovate it without Legacy's involvement?

Beyond which, Boston doesn't have two soccer stadiums and may never. White Stadium is under construction. The Everett stadium is still a conceptual render and political football being proposed by a team that has a twenty-year habit of playing footsie with stadium locations without ever building anything. In fact, the Bayside Expo location had a more professional render than this one does...
 
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Also, given how long the stadium was in its prior state, why do we think there would have been any project to renovate it without Legacy's involvement?

Beyond which, Boston doesn't have two soccer stadiums and may never. White Stadium is under construction. The Everett stadium is still a conceptual render and political football being proposed by a team that has a twenty-year habit of playing footsie with stadium locations without ever building anything. In fact, the Bayside Expo location had a more professional render than this one does...
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The new Revs stadium is happening. I probably shouldn't disclose my source for this lest I get into very hot water, but it's unimpeachable.

Josh obviously has to go down to defeat first.
 
SteelyTom said:
The new Revs stadium is happening. I probably shouldn't disclose my source for this lest I get into very hot water, but it's unimpeachable.

Josh obviously has to go down to defeat first.
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Even if it does get built, Boston still won't have two soccer stadiums. It will have one MLS stadium, and one multi-purpose athletics and special events stadium that is partially used by a NWSL team.
 
LOL at somebody arguing a smaller capacity venue can't possibly work in Boston of all places. #FenwayPark
 
HenryAlan said:
LOL at somebody arguing a smaller capacity venue can't possibly work in Boston of all places. #FenwayPark
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LOL at someone confusing capacity with league average attendance.

1) Fenway's capacity (37,755) is 28.5+% over league average attendance.

2) 2024 Red Sox attendance was 12.3% OVER league average (even in a lackluster .500 year where they were 13 games out in the AL EAST)

2) MLB average attendance is growing 1% YOY vs NWSL which is growing 6% YOY.

But don't let the facts get in your way.

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Economics 101.

(I won't even begin to get into the relative difference in spectator $$$$$ spending between a 25,000 seat stadium next to a $2.6 billion casino/hotel in NE with a soon-to-be riverfront restaurant/entertainment district compared to Franklin FREAKING Park. - - that lopsided economic comparison is a tko). The Legacy won't last 7 years in that venue. They will either move out of Boston or beg the Revs to tenant in Everett. This spectre is exactly why Wu is doing all she can to stop or get a ransom out of the Krafts for the Everett Stadium. She knows she cannot let it happen without major extractions.
 
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LOL at someone confusing capacity with league average attendance.

1) Fenway's capacity (37,755) is 28.5+% over league average attendance.

2) 2024 Red Sox attendance was 12.3% OVER league average (even in a lackluster .500 year where they were 13 games out in the AL EAST)

2) MLB average attendance is growing 1% YOY vs NWSL which is growing 6% YOY.

But don't let the facts get in your way.

www.baseball-reference.com

2024 Major League Baseball Attendance & Team Age | Baseball-Reference.com

Check out the attendance and team age stats for all the Major League Baseball teams and players on Baseball-Reference.com
www.baseball-reference.com www.baseball-reference.com

Economics 101.
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I don't think it's useful comparing attendance expectations for a sport where one would expect Boston to have above average attendance (#10 in 2024, per your list) and one where said franchise is brand new, the sport has already failed in the city, and league average attendance seems to be really inflated by two franchises.

Is the city/USA "more ready" now for professional women's soccer than it was during the time of the Breakers...probably? But I think the burden of proof is on those expecting a stadium capacity ~25% people higher than the best average attendance the Breakers ever had to be insufficient to show that it wouldn't be in the near term.
 
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I don't think it's useful comparing attendance expectations for a sport where one would expect Boston to have above average attendance (#10 in 2024, per your list) and one where said franchise is brand new, the sport has already failed in the city, and league average attendance seems to be really inflated by two franchises.

Is the city/USA "more ready" now for professional women's soccer than it was during the time of the Breakers...probably? But I think the burden of proof is on those expecting a stadium capacity ~25% people higher than the best average attendance the Breakers ever had to be insufficient to show that it wouldn't be in the near term.
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NWSL is flying.

The franchise in Boston (and Boston's prior history with the Breakers) is a completely different story.

THAT is the problem . The Boston franchise is already making decisions that will render it the poor relative in a healthy/growing league. They're already stumbling out of the gate with these textbook errors. Wu is petrified of that Everett Stadium and the Revs - for this very reason.
 
shmessy said:
(I won't even begin to get into the relative difference in spectator $$$$$ spending between a 25,000 seat stadium next to a $2.6 billion casino/hotel in NE with a soon-to-be riverfront restaurant/entertainment district compared to Franklin FREAKING Park. - - that lopsided economic comparison is a tko). The Legacy won't last 7 years in that venue. They will either move out of Boston or beg the Revs to tenant in Everett. This spectre is exactly why Wu is doing all she can to stop or get a ransom out of the Krafts for the Everett Stadium. She knows she cannot let it happen without major extractions.
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One of these venues is in the middle of the city, easily walkable and bikeable from many Boston neighborhoods with bus lines bracketing it on all sides.

The other is in an industrial wasteland next to a gaming venue.

It's perfectly good business to take advantage of lower projected attendance (and interest from gamblers) to try and become a beloved community asset (though the politics around White Stadium are hurting them). The team may fail, but choosing not to tenant as the Revs' little sisters won't be why.
 
If the Legacy start with the Breaker's highest average attendance (8,120) and grow by 6% each year, they will exceed 11,000 in average attendance in year 6. Definitely something to be noting, but this seems more like the Legacy's problem than the city's. If the city has no independent maintenance plan (or plans to lure a different tenant) after the Legacy's lease is up, then that would be a major problem.

Side note: The Free Jacks have been growing and are pushing up against the capacity of Veterans Stadium (capacity 5000) in Quincy. Potential future tenant if the Legacy outgrow the space.
 
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Equilibria said:
One of these venues is in the middle of the city, easily walkable and bikeable from many Boston neighborhoods with bus lines bracketing it on all sides.

The other is in an industrial wasteland next to a gaming venue.

It's perfectly good business to take advantage of lower projected attendance (and interest from gamblers) to try and become a beloved community asset (though the politics around White Stadium are hurting them). The team may fail, but choosing not to tenant as the Revs' little sisters won't be why.
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……a $2.6 billion highly profitable and rapidly growing/expanding "gaming venue".

What's around Franklin Park????

Today, sports is an INDUSTRY. They don't want kids biking from around the corner to be the main clientele. For better or for worse (and as a sports fan, I think it's worse - but understand the Economics), they want the VIP Hospitality tent/ glass enclosed VIP suite big rollers. It is what it is.

If you think that Everett waterfront isn't on the way up, and will be faaaar ahead of Franklin Park (!) as a location for a sports franchise within 10 years, then God Bless. To quote the Phillip Seymour Hoffman character in Charlie Wilson's War quoting the Zen Master - 'We'll see' ;)
 
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