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shmessy said:
Bingo. AND he’s still offering $15 million for Everett community center and housing plus the $750k to Boston across the river.

Look, if the NIMBY’s want to keep that potential off the table and let Mystic River be what it has been, then that is definitely the way things have almost always been done in Greater Boston.
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Maryland gave $500M to the Ravens. Yes, we should be like you guys. The taxpayers are on the hook for 5 White Stadiums with no public benefit
 
Blackbird said:
Then Boston should close down Alford Street. Everett can figure the transportation piece out on its own.
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Boston is the big wealthy city, but Everett is the ambitious and motivated small upstart. For several years now, Everett has been exceptionally supportive of multi-family residential development, arguably more so than any other city in the Boston metro area. Also, it is a working class city working very hard and smart to better itself. For these reasons I really do hate to see Everett being pushed around by the much larger and wealthier Boston. The proposed stadium would go a long, long way towards making this long dormant industrial wasteland section of Everett into a desirable and livable community. It would encourage even further residential and retail development in the area, in addition to the large strides already made by Everett in that regard. Its obvious to me that this project is a win-win all around.
 
Charlie_mta said:
Boston is the big wealthy city, but Everett is the ambitious and motivated small upstart. For several years now, Everett has been exceptionally supportive of multi-family residential development, arguably more so than any other city in the Boston metro area. Also, it is a working class city working very hard and smart to better itself. For these reasons I really do hate to see Everett being pushed around by the much larger and wealthier Boston.
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I fail to see how Everett wanting to have its cake and eat it too amounts to being “pushed around” by Boston. If Kraft and the city really believe they don’t need to contribute anything to improving traffic flow through Sullivan Square, then that’s great. They shouldn’t. And they can also figure out how to get fans and gamblers to the entertainment complex some other way.
 
Scott said:
Maryland gave $500M to the Ravens. Yes, we should be like you guys. The taxpayers are on the hook for 5 White Stadiums with no public benefit
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Yes, but Kraft, like all team owners in Boston, has privately funded his projects, as he will privately fund this one. The question is the extent to which he's required to offset the impacts his projects have on public transportation assets and other infrastructure. At the end of the day, it is the purpose of taxes to support infrastructure that serves the people, businesses, and property owners of Massachusetts, Boston, Everett, etc, and Kraft is a business owner and a landowner who (theoretically I know) pays taxes on his income and his businesses' income. There is a material difference between a billion-dollar subsidy appropriated directly from residents' unclaimed private property (as is absurdly happening in Ohio) and the potential for a busier Sullivan Square and Orange Line station (both of which the City of Boston is actively trying to make denser and busier as a policy objective).

Let's not pretend that the Mayor is an honest broker here - she's trying to (legally) extort him and he made it worse on himself by letting the corrupt soon-to-be-former Mayor of Everett crow and clown on her and then paying for a ton of dog whistle attack ads in an effort to buy the Mayor's office for his Mediocre White Man of a son. He has played this very stupidly (which we might recall is his custom in stadium negotiations), and he has lost a lot of face.

Personally, I believe that since he has functionally infinite money and seems to have nothing better to spend it on than box seats for Wagner at the Trump-Kennedy Memorial Hall, it's fine for Boston to stick him up for however much they can get. That's business and, given the players, perfectly moral. But I don't think it's the same thing as what's happening in Kansas or DC.
 
Equilibria said:
Yes, but Kraft, like all team owners in Boston, has privately funded his projects, as he will privately fund this one. The question is the extent to which he's required to offset the impacts his projects have on public transportation assets and other infrastructure. At the end of the day, it is the purpose of taxes to support infrastructure that serves the people, businesses, and property owners of Massachusetts, Boston, Everett, etc, and Kraft is a business owner and a landowner who (theoretically I know) pays taxes on his income and his businesses' income. There is a material difference between a billion-dollar subsidy appropriated directly from residents' unclaimed private property (as is absurdly happening in Ohio) and the potential for a busier Sullivan Square and Orange Line station (both of which the City of Boston is actively trying to make denser and busier as a policy objective).

Let's not pretend that the Mayor is an honest broker here - she's trying to (legally) extort him and he made it worse on himself by letting the corrupt soon-to-be-former Mayor of Everett crow and clown on her and then paying for a ton of dog whistle attack ads in an effort to buy the Mayor's office for his Mediocre White Man of a son. He has played this very stupidly (which we might recall is his custom in stadium negotiations), and he has lost a lot of face.

Personally, I believe that since he has functionally infinite money and seems to have nothing better to spend it on than box seats for Wagner at the Trump-Kennedy Memorial Hall, it's fine for Boston to stick him up for however much they can get. That's business and, given the players, perfectly moral. But I don't think it's the same thing as what's happening in Kansas or DC.
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The only thing I completely disagree with is that Wu is trying to "extort." She was given the right to negotiate for the city through an act of legislature that the Kraft people lobbied for. He could have built it somewhere else on land that he owns.
 
Scott said:
Maryland gave $500M to the Ravens. Yes, we should be like you guys. The taxpayers are on the hook for 5 White Stadiums with no public benefit
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Who would ever want that?? Baltimore is a sewer. YOU’RE those who is arguing FOR a (partially) taxpayer funded stadium (White) and AGAINST a privately funded one (Everett). Your point shows a concerning confusion.

Unlike you, I’m AGAINST taxpayer funded stadiums (like Baltimore’s, where the owner compounds the insult by charging fans PSL’s) - something Kraft has never done, nor will he in the Everett Stadium.

But if you want to go personal (because, evidently you somehow felt a need to) I am from Newton and moved to the DC suburbs years ago for my job and intend to move back to Boston upon retirement. Frankly, it’s kinda strange you felt it necessary to turn the discussion that way. But Happy New Year!
 
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Scott said:
The only thing I completely disagree with is that Wu is trying to "extort." She was given the right to negotiate for the city through an act of legislature that the Kraft people lobbied for. He could have built it somewhere else on land that he owns.
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Fair enough. I was being flippant :).
 
shmessy said:
Who would ever want that?? Baltimore is a sewer. YOU’RE those who is arguing FOR a (partially) taxpayer funded stadium (White) and AGAINST a privately funded one (Everett). Your point shows a concerning confusion.

Unlike you, I’m AGAINST taxpayer funded stadiums (like Baltimore’s, where the owner compounds the insult by charging fans PSL’s) - something Kraft has never done, nor will he in the Everett Stadium.

But if you want to go personal (because, evidently you somehow felt a need to) I am from Newton and moved to the DC suburbs years ago for my job and intend to move back to Boston upon retirement. Frankly, it’s kinda strange you felt it necessary to turn the discussion that way. But Happy New Year!
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That's the point. Why is a guy privileged to be born in Newton against White Stadium? The answer is that some people have a pathological dislike for Wu, so White Stadium is just a way to get at her and if they screw over the poor kids, too bad.
Boston kids deserve the to have their Newton North. BPS just announced a $700M replacement for Madison Park. Does that piss you off too?
 
Scott said:
That's the point. Why is a guy privileged to be born in Newton against White Stadium? The answer is that some people have a pathological dislike for Wu, so White Stadium is just a way to get at her and if they screw over the poor kids, too bad.
Boston kids deserve the to have their Newton North. BPS just announced a $700M replacement for Madison Park. Does that piss you off too?
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You keep veering away from the discussion and turning this personal. The sure sign of someone who doesn’t have confidence in their point is to start throwing personal. This is a website to discuss ideas and development, not for personal agendas and attacks. Why can’t you stay to the subject?

But, once again, I will answer your personal jab - - I never went to Newton North - I went to South - grew up in working class (back in the 1970’s in a house my working class dad bought for 21k in 1962) Newton Highlands and worked my way through college - financial aid + 5 mornings per week in dining and then Friday and Saturday nights bartending at Tony’s Italian Villa. And yeah, after college I moved to the DC area for my career. That’s not disqualifying for having an informed opinion.

I couldn’t give a shit about YOUR personal info. Again, this website is for discussing the SUBJECT. Get a friend in real life.
 
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Whites Stadium has very little to do with this.
Everett and Kraft have negotiated a perfectly good site for a new stadium.
Wu will push for what she can get her city but has to do it without scraping the project.
Those negotiations are ongoing.
The development of the mystic area is also ongoing. There are immediate projects like Draw 7 park, other assembly projects, ongoing Everett and Charlestown projects, shorter term projects like the pedestrian bridge, longer term projects like the stadium, sullivan and rutherford updates.
The difference from 2015 to 25 is huge and will hopefully be equally huge between 25 and 35.
 
It won't get scrapped, this will probably go to binding arbitration today. Boston will probably get a little bit more than the low ball and then there is no reason why this won't move forward
 
SteelyTom said:
Along the same lines, I wonder why BC hasn't demoed Alumni Stadium and begun playing football at Harvard.
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You jest, but BC's probally not long for playing Big Time College Sports with the NIL. Demoing the Stadium and using the land for something else doesn't seem that far fetched. But we're still talking years.
 
Place your bets - come 2030, will the Revs being playing their home soccer games at a new stadium in Everett?
 
Revs released an announcement at 1:55pm. They've reach an agreement with Everett/Boston.

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Statement from The Kraft Group on the Proposed Everett Stadium Project | New England Revolution

“The Kraft Group has reached agreements with the cities of Everett and Boston, marking an important milestone in our effort to transform a long‑neglected industrial site along the Mystic River into a vibrant, publicly accessible waterfront destination and the future home of the New England...
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scorpio02150 said:
Revs released an announcement at 1:55pm. They've reach an agreement with Everett/Boston.

www.revolutionsoccer.net

Statement from The Kraft Group on the Proposed Everett Stadium Project | New England Revolution

“The Kraft Group has reached agreements with the cities of Everett and Boston, marking an important milestone in our effort to transform a long‑neglected industrial site along the Mystic River into a vibrant, publicly accessible waterfront destination and the future home of the New England...
www.revolutionsoccer.net www.revolutionsoccer.net
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Quick get the shovels! (And the tyveks - that soil is going be be disgusting)
 
Why are they building this in Everett? Why not build it somewhere with mass transit access?
 
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