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@moderators you really think this comment is fine but taking issue with it is grounds for deletion and threats of being banned? Absolutely ridiculous the double standards here are glaring. This is the second time vanshookenraggen has intervened after XEC posted something extremely reactionary or racist without doing anything about that and threatening to ban me for responding to it. Do other mods agree with this? I Cannot find a list of mods anywhere and feel obligated to make this public. View attachment 18122
There is nothing trolling about calling a comment that writes off a whole group of people (who are part of urban life) as hostile to it fascist. That is a fascistic idea. There was also quite a lot more substantive and good natured engagement with other peoples comments in my comment (I also responded to several other people) than there has been from several people in this thread who have received no pushback from the mods. This is clearly a hostile environment for anyone who isn't comfortable with constant racist dogwhistles and tough on crime rhetoric and I increasingly have no interest in participating in this community anymore despite it covering a lot of things i care about in this city. If you want this to not be a racist cess pit there is a lot of work to do but clearly a lot of you are fine with it and consistently take more issue with calling it out.
I get it. You've learned the bits about "social justice" and racism that we should have learned in school, but didn't, and now you've taken it upon yourself to educate us older and supposedly ignorant fools on all of the new stuff you've learned. Great. But as someone has conducted intercultural discussions outside in various forms outside of the US, you're not going to convince people they're wrong by calling them "fascists" or "racists." You're going to find that this board has a lot of people who come from a vast array of backgrounds - some obviously know A LOT about architecture, some don't but still like to engage and others like to look at the pretty pictures of new buildings and read what the experts have to say about them. I'm clearly in the latter group.

Just dial it back a bit and take it easy with the name calling. You can strongly disagree with people without giving them pejorative labels, that in most cases don't apply (and in many cases you seem to not know the meaning of). Just chill and chat and let's try to continue having good discussions about the city we all love.
 
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But as someone has conducted intercultural discussions outside in various forms outside of the US, you're not going to convince people they're wrong by calling them "fascists" or "racists."
Honest question: if you suspect someone may be a fascist or a racist, how would you go about convincing them that they’re wrong?

Pretty hard balance to strike between being polite enough that they won’t just throw up emotional walls and shutdown, but also forceful enough that they don’t just roll their eyes and ignore you.
 

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Honest question: if you suspect someone may be a fascist or a racist, how would you go about convincing them that they’re wrong?

Pretty hard balance to strike between being polite enough that they won’t just throw up emotional walls and shutdown, but also forceful enough that they don’t just roll their eyes and ignore you.
Just like "infrastructure" has been redefined to mean "home care for the elderly" it looks like "fascist" has been redefined to mean "anyone whose circumstances and life experiences have led them to form values and opinions that are different from my own".

Language evolves and I suppose I can accept that redefinition as long as it's agreed that it is a universal definition and applies equally to everyone. So under the new definition anyone who doesn't agree 100% with everything I post here is a fascist. It works something like Newton's law of gravitation & third law of motion. Anyone who calls someone else a fascist is also fascist (with an opposing viewpoint).

So we are all fascists now.
 

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How about refraining from calling entire groups of people "hostile to urban life"? Why is that not considered name calling? It truly is stunning how the rules of decorum seem to work here: let reactionaries say whatever atrocious nonsense they want but if anyone disagrees at all forcefully that's crossing a line.

one of those reactionary trolls you seem to let run rampant is right there
How did you conclude that nm88 was directing that comment to you alone and not everyone here in general? I can speak for myself only here, but the tone in many of your posts (I repeat, tone, not talking content), such as this one above in response to a pretty innocuous post, comes off as needlessly combative to me, and thus contributing to a "hostile environment." I'm also not saying you're the only one with combative tones in your posts (I think that should go without saying, but feel the need to make that clear here lest it gets misinterpreted) - hell, I likely have a few in my history - but you also don't see if mods are also messaging others directly/privately about their posts either.
 

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it looks like "fascist" has been redefined to mean "anyone whose circumstances and life experiences have led them to form values and opinions that are different from my own".
No, I think it’s mostly used to define people who exhibit a lot of nationalism and who support a strong military, powerful police force, well-defended borders, and interventionalist economic policies all for the purpose of national unity, stability, and orderliness.

Generally opposed to artists, anarchists, atheists, and communists or at least those were how the sides panned out in the Spanish Civil War afaik (with the fascists eventually winning).

Not a hard thing to look up..
 
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No, I think it’s mostly used to define people who exhibit a lot of nationalism and who support a strong military, powerful police force, well-defended borders, and interventionalist economic policies all for the purpose of national unity, stability, and orderliness.

Generally opposed to artists, anarchists, atheists, and communists or at least those were how the sides panned out in the Spanish Civil War afaik (with the fascists eventually winning).

Not a hard thing to look up..
You did not understand XEC's post. Words are being redefined as we speak. Just look at how the oxford dictionary changed the following words because they were deemed "too sexist."
 
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