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I think of all the corridors that are the most reasonable for elevated rail, Comm Ave wins in spades. It's absurdly wide up until Chestnut Hill Ave.
Yes, and the ground rights could be used to help fund it.
I think of all the corridors that are the most reasonable for elevated rail, Comm Ave wins in spades. It's absurdly wide up until Chestnut Hill Ave.
Very much agreed on all of those, Busses. I'd just add that extending the A all the way to Watertown would be fantastic and not at all unreasonable.
Yes, there's an ROW there, but it's not uninterrupted (goes over lakes, I-95, etc). Why not a bus on I-95?
Yes, and the ground rights could be used to help fund it.
Like arch infill?
I think Busses's suggestions are quite reasonable. They've been formally proposed (or operated) in the past, there's existing ROW, and they solve problems.
I agree it would be great. I figure it would be opened in phases, Brighton Center first, then to Oak Square, then to Watertown. Unfortunately it would have to be cut-and-cover since the MBTA has a moratorium against new traffic running rail (and I can't say that I disagree with that), and there's no way an elevated is going through that corridor. The reason I halted it at Oak Square is due to the mile long stretch between Oak Square and Newton Corner at Pearl St where there's no demand for a station. The fight that NIMBYs on Wash in east Newton would give against their street being torn up would scare off the T. To get it to Watertown you'd need the line already in virtual eyesight in Oak Square and get Watertown to clamor for it. Until they're willing to fight for it over Newton's NIMBYs, it's not going to happen.
So what's the point of discussion if we're only talking about things the T has already approved? It's not a pitch if it's already on the docket.
Mathew -- here are the suggestions -- lets compare them to your criteria - kinda MytbBusters style:
Green Line:
Restoration of "E" to Forest Hills; -- not going to happen -- street running is being phased out ==> unreasonable
"A" branch to Oak Square; -- not going to happen -- street running is being phased out ==> unreasonable
Branch to Needham Junction via "D" -- once proposed -- no longer considered seriously ==> unreasonable
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Possibly similar DMU routes to Riverside on Worcester Line and to Cedarwood on Fitchburg Line. -- less likely because of the distances unless there is wholesale electrification of all the CR ==> unreasonable
The point is to do this:
Whighlander, I agree with your assessment of the Arborway and Oak Square lines; they would require laying new tracks in the streets in neighborhoods where there is not overwhelming support. Not likely unless a bulldog of a politician comes along and rams it through, ignoring the community.
But I disagree with your other assessments. A Needham branch of the Green Line, though not a high priority for the T, would be very reasonable, since the ROW is almost completely (if not completely) intact and there is at least one track laid across nearly the entire length. Depending on the service the T wanted to provide/the service that Needham wanted, they might even be able to get away with not double tracking. There is nothing crazy about this proposal, it's just dependent on the right funding coming at the right time. (For example, the PMT estimated this project would cost $123.9 million to build, compared to $357.6 million for BLX or $470.0 million for what Greenbush was estimated at before building.)
As for your critique about the DMU's, frankly, I'm at a loss; it's 8.83 miles as the crow flies from South Station to Readville, and 10.3 from South Station to Auburndale. The route from North Station to Brandeis/Roberts is less direct, but still clocks in only at 11.22 miles. Do you really think that those extra 2 miles make such a difference that the proposal is rendered unreasonable? Heck, from Government Center to Riverside, the D line goes just as far (farther actually: 11.75 miles), and makes more stops than either of these services would.
Also, don't rule electrification of the Worcester Line out as being unreasonable. Amtrak has their eye on that route for HSR; stranger things have happened.
I hate to derail this too much into the elevated thread, but I noticed that Comm Ave is pretty similar to the Schönhauser Allee in Berlin that has the U2 running down it. The same lightweight elevated structure would work just fine on Comm Ave:
I just think Riverway's location on that corner is perfect. It's a natural spot for a stop- a major crossroads.
I'd say all of BAT's proposal makes this criteria.What is my definition of reasonable:
1) a lot less digging than the Big Dig
2) adds something which would "complete" the T such as Red/Blue connection; pedestrian connection between DTX and State
3) improves the basic operational effeciency or operational flexibility of the T without increasing the operating expenses significantly
4) goes where the people are living or working and particularly places where the poplulation or employment is rapidly expanding
5) has a reasonable chance of being constructed in the next 20 years -- meaning that planning has already been underway
The rest are by my definition -- Crazy
Anyway, going off of rail improvements... How about articulated trackless trolleys on Washington St? Keep the bus lanes so detachments don't happen often and really beef up transit police enforcement of bus lane squatting. Maybe mount cameras on the busses to be reviewed at the end of the day and send tickets to anyone whose car is standing in the bus lane.
HenryAlan said:The big question on Washington St. Is whether anything that isn't rail represents an improvement over what is now there. I can't see how TT enhances the route unless SL Phase 3 happens. But if we are going to spend a lot of money, I'd rather see it spent bringing the service to the Tremont St. Subway, meaning an all rail service. The Phase 3 tunnel never made sense to me unless it was something that would bring an existing GL branch to South Station and the SPID.
TT in and of itself provides no enhancement that I can discern.