Silver Line to Chelsea

The concrete "disconnected arches" canopy, as opposed to just one larger arch, since the cracks between the arches with allow some precipitation into the protected areas (that in a shorter canopy with no cracks would be dry), unless there's some additional protection yet to be installed- I'll of course reserve judgement till its open!

Yes there will be. Look at the rendering again.

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There's going to be some pseudo-bus shelters. Renderings look like they will be a big larger than a normal bus shelter.

As far as arches vs stand alone canopy's. I think these are less to provide shelter but more as a way to say "hey there's a station here" or something to that effect. More decorative than anything else.

And I think the busway size and station geometric have alot to do with it. Only Box District Station will have the inbound AND outbound platforms directly across from each other, so its easy to do an arch. Eastern Ave and Chelsea Stations are kinda a U shape because of the looping road. And Bellingham Sq Station.. the platforms are not even near each other (~separated by 50-75 feet or so on opposite sides).
 
^I'm surprised they're not building little heated areas, like they have at some D Line stops.
 
^I'm surprised they're not building little heated areas, like they have at some D Line stops.

Hah, this is the MBTA we're talking about, they can't lay down trolley lines without spending billions. Heated bus stops are out of the question!
 
Hah, this is the MBTA we're talking about, they can't lay down trolley lines without spending billions. Heated bus stops are out of the question!

We're not even getting signals at the at-grade crossings of the busway until the final phase of this project, which service will be running for a while before that happens. I'd rather have signals than heated stops.

Truthfully I'm not even sure if we are or are not getting them because most of the documents I have are not granular enough to talk about them (but I will re-read to make sure). But considering this is a 'cost conscious' project, any extras probably wouldn't happen.

And FK4, I'm actually opposed to the heaters if we do get them. Why? Because I already feel that these stops are going to be havens for homeless and drug users that Chelsea have such a problem with. Let's not give them a reason to totally camp out at here all night by providing them heated rooms.

And sadly, I do think it's gonna be a problem along with graffiti. The busway is in a un-used rail bed. Many portions, such as the stretch between Bellingham Street and Broadway, abut an industrial area are on one side and residential on the other. Other areas, such as around Eastern Ave Station can be pretty empty after 10pm (except for the occasional Route 55 drop off to the Massport garage).

And even around Chelsea Station near Market Basket.. after the store closes at 9, there's little activity over that way except for hotel traffic and people using Everett Ave as the bypass to/from 16.

I think Bellingham Sq Station will be the worst offender since it really isn't near any residential (except across the tracks where the current CR station is). And it will have a staircase that will connect to Washington Ave (for easy access to the 111 and the square itself) to bring folks right to the platform. PLUS, like many of the vagrants that hang in Bellingham Sq (you know, the real square, that is 1/4 of a mile away from the station!) all hang there because of the methadone clinic on Clark Ave. (they either get intercepted by opiate dealers in the square on their way to the Methadone Clinic so they don't need their daily dose from the clinic, and/or get their dose but need to get high so they look for benzi's in the square after) And they'll need a place to shoot up or nod off.. and these stops are secluded, yet close enough to make them attractive for illicit activities. (much like the church at the end of my street... I wish I had a dollar for every time a group was all shooting up on the steps under the covered steps, I'd be rich. Happens almost daily now)

But the saving grace is that the entire length of the busway will be very well lit all the times. That might deter some since it's not good for sleeping or being discreet. And, of course, as TOD happens over time, the solitude of these stations after dark will happen less and less (hopefully!)

This is a good question to bring up to the Project Manager whenever we do our walk around. I know there was some discussion about the Shared Use path in early meetings and it was said that CPD along with TPD would assist with patrolling (yeah right)

But I'm curious to know how the stations will be dealt with specifically (if at all) or will I get the standard "Transit Police will help" reply. I'm also curious to know, as most of the documents I have do not explain enough in detail about security cameras and/or if these stations would be apart of the MBTA's vast CCT system. Although I tend to think not, as many outdoor stations like on the Green Line do not have cameras. But it's a new station so they may put them in anyways, but it's a "cost-conscious project" sooo who knows!
 
We're not even getting signals at the at-grade crossings of the busway until the final phase of this project, which service will be running for a while before that happens. I'd rather have signals than heated stops.

Truthfully I'm not even sure if we are or are not getting them because most of the documents I have are not granular enough to talk about them (but I will re-read to make sure). But considering this is a 'cost conscious' project, any extras probably wouldn't happen.

And FK4, I'm actually opposed to the heaters if we do get them. Why? Because I already feel that these stops are going to be havens for homeless and drug users that Chelsea have such a problem with. Let's not give them a reason to totally camp out at here all night by providing them heated rooms.

And sadly, I do think it's gonna be a problem along with graffiti. The busway is in a un-used rail bed. Many portions, such as the stretch between Bellingham Street and Broadway, abut an industrial area are on one side and residential on the other. Other areas, such as around Eastern Ave Station can be pretty empty after 10pm (except for the occasional Route 55 drop off to the Massport garage).

And even around Chelsea Station near Market Basket.. after the store closes at 9, there's little activity over that way except for hotel traffic and people using Everett Ave as the bypass to/from 16.

I think Bellingham Sq Station will be the worst offender since it really isn't near any residential (except across the tracks where the current CR station is). And it will have a staircase that will connect to Washington Ave (for easy access to the 111 and the square itself) to bring folks right to the platform. PLUS, like many of the vagrants that hang in Bellingham Sq (you know, the real square, that is 1/4 of a mile away from the station!) all hang there because of the methadone clinic on Clark Ave. (they either get intercepted by opiate dealers in the square on their way to the Methadone Clinic so they don't need their daily dose from the clinic, and/or get their dose but need to get high so they look for benzi's in the square after) And they'll need a place to shoot up or nod off.. and these stops are secluded, yet close enough to make them attractive for illicit activities. (much like the church at the end of my street... I wish I had a dollar for every time a group was all shooting up on the steps under the covered steps, I'd be rich. Happens almost daily now)

But the saving grace is that the entire length of the busway will be very well lit all the times. That might deter some since it's not good for sleeping or being discreet. And, of course, as TOD happens over time, the solitude of these stations after dark will happen less and less (hopefully!)

This is a good question to bring up to the Project Manager whenever we do our walk around. I know there was some discussion about the Shared Use path in early meetings and it was said that CPD along with TPD would assist with patrolling (yeah right)

But I'm curious to know how the stations will be dealt with specifically (if at all) or will I get the standard "Transit Police will help" reply. I'm also curious to know, as most of the documents I have do not explain enough in detail about security cameras and/or if these stations would be apart of the MBTA's vast CCT system. Although I tend to think not, as many outdoor stations like on the Green Line do not have cameras. But it's a new station so they may put them in anyways, but it's a "cost-conscious project" sooo who knows!

You can heat the stops with on-demand radiant heaters (like the Silver Line Washington Street). You don't get people sleeping in the stops (much) because the heaters go off after 10 minutes, unless you push the button again.
 
You can heat the stops with on-demand radiant heaters (like the Silver Line Washington Street). You don't get people sleeping in the stops (much) because the heaters go off after 10 minutes, unless you push the button again.

Yeah I didn't expect them to be heaters that stayed on all the time. But I think MORE of my concern is about the location.. Silver Line Washington Street is on a busy street.. SLG, not so much in certain areas. Close enough to be walkable, but away from busy streets to be secluded.
 
Silver Line Washington Street is on a busy street.. SLG, not so much in certain areas. Close enough to be walkable, but away from busy streets to be secluded.
It seems the happy challenge is to ensure lots of people/witnesses:
- bus drivers every 8 minutes (15 min headway each way)
- riders constantly (though few)
- active/better connections to the local street grid
 
^It's not 24 hours a day though. You're forgetting between 1 AM and 4 AM.
 
Wouldn't having a transit police officer inspect the corridor in a cruiser cover the night shift?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You're joking? Transit Police actually patrol? Please this is the T we are talking about.. half the time we can't even get them to get out of their cars and into the station.

But all seriousness. Come to Chelsea and we can walk thru the square and see some very blatant illicit activities going on right out in broad daylight. I've seen drug deals, shooting up.. hell I even saw a fine, classy lady give a "hand" to some dude under his jacket right in front of the courthouse in the middle of the afternoon on a Tuesday. (and I remember this because I was on the bus going by and EVERYONE on the bus gasped when they saw what they were doing)

I've said this elsewhere, but addicts just do not care where they are anymore. I live on a fairly busy street, and for months.. overnight, people would shoot up right on my front steps. Why? because I had a bush that hid them slightly from Central Ave (main drag). But still pretty out in the open. (I think the bush prevented PD from seeing folks sitting there from Central). Still to do it right out on the open. I even have a very obvious video camera (and a sign stating I have one) and they did it for me right on camera. They just do not care. (and sadly, neither did CPD when I sent the tapes to them)

I finally got tired of picking up used needles and baggies off my front steps every morning (I use very long pliers and a coke bottle). I removed the bush. Sad I had to remove a beautiful 86 year old bush because we had so many problems junkies. Amazingly enough, it stopped. But now they just use the church a few doors down with boxed & covered entry way (meaning sides where covered up so it wasn't totally open.)

As much as I like the SLG.. I just see this becoming an issue. I just know Chelsea to well not to think it won't be.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA

You're joking? Transit Police actually patrol? Please this is the T we are talking about.. half the time we can't even get them to get out of their cars and into the station.

But all seriousness. Come to Chelsea and we can walk thru the square and see some very blatant illicit activities going on right out in broad daylight. I've seen drug deals, shooting up.. hell I even saw a fine, classy lady give a "hand" to some dude under his jacket right in front of the courthouse in the middle of the afternoon on a Tuesday. (and I remember this because I was on the bus going by and EVERYONE on the bus gasped when they saw what they were doing)

I've said this elsewhere, but addicts just do not care where they are anymore. I live on a fairly busy street, and for months.. overnight, people would shoot up right on my front steps. Why? because I had a bush that hid them slightly from Central Ave (main drag). But still pretty out in the open. (I think the bush prevented PD from seeing folks sitting there from Central). Still to do it right out on the open. I even have a very obvious video camera (and a sign stating I have one) and they did it for me right on camera. They just do not care. (and sadly, neither did CPD when I sent the tapes to them)

I finally got tired of picking up used needles and baggies off my front steps every morning (I use very long pliers and a coke bottle). I removed the bush. Sad I had to remove a beautiful 86 year old bush because we had so many problems junkies. Amazingly enough, it stopped. But now they just use the church a few doors down with boxed & covered entry way (meaning sides where covered up so it wasn't totally open.)

As much as I like the SLG.. I just see this becoming an issue. I just know Chelsea to well not to think it won't be.

When you wrote "pliers" I thought "blow torch" was coming next.
 
How are buses kept graffiti-free-ish at yards over night?Or how are above-ground Green/Silver stops kept safe? The Transit police currently don't have a reason/basis to patrol Chelsea. Once SLG is done they will have jurisdiction. That Chelsea is bad now isn't a basis for making a forecast how the T will protect its assets once it has them. Other parts of T territory are tough too.
 
How are buses kept graffiti-free-ish at yards over night?Or how are above-ground Green/Silver stops kept safe? The Transit police currently don't have a reason/basis to patrol Chelsea. Once SLG is done they will have jurisdiction. That Chelsea is bad now isn't a basis for making a forecast how the T will protect its assets once it has them. Other parts of T territory are tough too.


All of the heavy-repair yards/garages (Riverside, Reservoir, Charlestown, Cabot, etc.) have fully-staffed night shifts. Lechmere has its gates locked and gets plenty of patrol coverage from Transit Police, State Police, and Cambridge PD because of its location. Boston College gets plenty of coverage from Reservoir's night shift right down the street. Anywhere on Green--but especially out on the D and all the B/C/D/Reservoir connecting trackage--is alive all night long with equipment swaps and work crews. Southampton garage (Silver Line & 60-footer yard) is immediately behind Transit PD headquarters with lock gates. And any of the outer garages that don't have a night shift like Fellsway or North Cambridge will get regular drive-bys and excuses to stage work-shift vehicles there to keep them covered. Commuter rail stations it's usually the outsourced parking lot maintainer (or town/RTA if the station's managed by an outside institution) tasked with nipping graffiti in the bud before it's seen. All those concrete platforms with random squares done over with a paint roller are covered-up graffiti. And the prefab shelters and signage they've used for the last 20+ years specifically use easy-wash materials so it doesn't take the parking vendor more than a couple minutes with a portable sprayer to spot-clean.

Add to that the fact that everything is security-cammed to the hilt and it's tough to get away with trespassing...including at the commuter rail layovers out in the sticks. After all, it didn't take them very long to catch the culprits who tagged the historic cars at Boylston...and they've since doubled-up the camera coverage to make sure it never happens again. Steady stream of Homeland Security grants over the last 15 years keep that automated security coverage constantly mushrooming across the system.


But mostly it's cultural and institutional. Tagging happens; it's impossible to zero it out no matter how many security cams are watching every yard. But if they find graffiti you will never in this region see a tagged vehicle allowed out into revenue service before it's fully cleaned up, and tagged station structures will usually get covered over ASAP until a cleanup crew can get out there. Boston has always been zero-tolerance about defaced appearances, and that's its own deterrent to taggers because the risk is almost never "rewarded" by the public ever seeing the tagger's handiwork. Culturally that trickles down to municipal Public Works, private landowners, and community groups who are a lot more vigilant and quicker on-the-draw than in other cities. Compared to almost everywhere else in the country Puritanical New England is collectively wired to respond immediately. Our institutions just reflect the pervasive will of the people on that kind of blight, and our institutions are made up of the same citizens born wired that way.
 
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Is there anything special about Chelsea, BRT, or semi-isolated stations along a paved ROW that would suggest that SLG will suffer uniquely in the overnight hours?
 
Is there anything special about Chelsea, BRT, or semi-isolated stations along a paved ROW that would suggest that SLG will suffer uniquely in the overnight hours?

No more than any bus shelter on a low-traffic road overnight. Yeah...some vagrants will use 'em as a toilet or leave a needle behind, but that's unremarkably generic urbanity for you.
 
No more than any bus shelter on a low-traffic road overnight. Yeah...some vagrants will use 'em as a toilet or leave a needle behind, but that's unremarkably generic urbanity for you.

F-Line and Arlington, please re-read my post about Chelsea above (starting with me laughing at Transit Police)

Chelsea, it's just so bad.. they do it right out in the open. Its way worse here than I've seen it elsewhere around the metro area. Yes you will see a needle around haymarket or someone nodding off at a T station.. but in Chelsea, its magnified by 10, so many more people do it so blatantly.

Like I said.. front steps my house, ON CAMERA, at night.. they continue to shoot up. Same with the church down the street.

I do see this actually being a problem because I see it elsewhere in the city of Chelsea. Yeah you can say "its a city thing" and yeah it is, but its just so bad here. Really, take my word for it.
 
Hopefully the Chelsea silver line extension brings some much needed gentrification to the area.
 
Hopefully the Chelsea silver line extension brings some much needed gentrification to the area.

Me too. I think the best area that will see rapid growth is around Market Basket. There's already some projects in the works nearby.

Second best (or 1st) is near Eastern Ave Station. The city has a master plan for the waterfront which makes it less of a parking lot area, and more of a place to go to. Currently there isn't much over there, except a hotel and a bunch of parking lots. SLG should help with this alot since there now will be a more frequent service vs the current 112.

Box District Station and Bellingham Sq station won't see much change, just due to their location in a dense area already. Box District is 'gentrified' alot so not much else to do, except maybe improve housing a street or two away (i.e. Grove/Willow/Marlborough)
 
This is sexy, very sexy. Just look at this gorgeous ROW we have here. I think it won't be long at all before folks are clamoring for an extension once this thing gets running. It will reach Sullivan within 15 years. Meanwhile, GLX might not even be done yet.
 
At the least Wynn is going to pull all the levers it can to get it to the casino.
 

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