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How many of your neighbors would join you?
 
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^^ More than some might think, statler. Check your inbox.
 
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The BSA is running an urban design competition for Suffolk Downs, there's a panel event next Monday and presentations from the teams on March 3rd: http://www.architects.org/programs-...an-design-workshop-kickoff-panel-discussion-0

This is the same event series that did work envisioning the Beacon Yard over in Allston and Dot Ave in Southie. I believe in both cases the BSA did their competition first, and then the BRA followed with an official planning process. Perhaps we're getting something big for Suffolk Downs soon.
 
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Looks like a lot of teams submitted work, hopefully the BSA posts these in a non-twitter pic format

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Awesome to see the majority of the proposals include bringing the river through the property
 
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Looks like it's sold. Thoughts on what comes next?

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2017/03/01/suffolk-downs-sold/

Both Rep. Adrian Madaro, an East Boston Democrat, and Anthony Spadea, president of the New England Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association, told the Herald Wednesday that a purchase-and-sale agreement had been signed for the thoroughbred racetrack.
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The Herald article, cited in the Boston mag link, indicates that simulcast etc would continue for several years. But from the Herald article, it appears they want to re-locate the track to Greater Worcester.
 
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stellarfun said:
This is HHUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEEEE
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Agreed, this is fantastic news. Thousands of units of housing instead of a casino: a massive win for Boston. I hope they can pull it off.

I am astonished that we've made it all the way to 8:58 without anyone derailing the thread onto demands for multiple 1,000 footers, followed by the inevitable temper tantrum when someone points out why that won't be possible. Is there hope for archBoston to break bad habits? /sarcasm
 
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get ready for NIMBY Thermonuclear war!!!
 
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West said:
Agreed, this is fantastic news. Thousands of units of housing instead of a casino: a massive win for Boston. I hope they can pull it off.

I am astonished that we've made it all the way to 8:58 without anyone derailing the thread onto demands for multiple 1,000 footers, followed by the inevitable temper tantrum when someone points out why that won't be possible. Is there hope for archBoston to break bad habits? /sarcasm
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Maybe aBers are starting to look at the FAA airspace map before commenting.

Suffolk Downs is dead aligned with the 4L/22R takeoff/landing airspace. Height restrictions will be between 100 and 200 ft. This will somewhat curtail the potential density.
 
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JeffDowntown said:
Maybe aBers are starting to look at the FAA airspace map before commenting.

Suffolk Downs is dead aligned with the 4L/22R takeoff/landing airspace. Height restrictions will be between 100 and 200 ft. This will somewhat curtail the potential density.
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Aw, Jeff, did you not see the "/sarcasm" at the end of my post? I was damned certain that at least one of the usual height fetish posters would in fact start in blathering about tall towers without looking at the map first - and also despite my hint with the "/sarcasm" tag on the end. Now you went and gave it away while they were all apparently sill in bed!!! Spoil sport.

OK, I'm over it. I should be careful what I wish for anyhow. They might still show up and blather on even after you spelled it out.

You're right that the height cap will curtail potential density, but there's so much acreage that even with a height cap and dealing with the wetlands, there's room for an immense amount of housing and still have room left over for a few decent sized retail zones by the T stations.
 
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Let's see. O'Brien's brother once worked for the Krafts. So...... I see at least one, maybe two stadiums!!!!!

DRINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Two thoughts:

1.) Given the location's extreme vulnerability to sea level rise/storm surge, it would be nice--even if purely symbolic, in the global aggregate--to see something here that is a "model demonstration" of everything in the eco-savvy development toolkit these days in terms of landscaping, mechanical systems, choice of materials, design geometry, etc.

To that end--anything that can be recycled from the thwarted casino proposal here, green-wise?

2.) The casino proposal also talked a lot, if I recall, about mitigating the ever-intensifying traffic nightmare that is the Route 1A/Boardman St. traffic intersection. Again, anything that can be adopted/adapted from that?

Maybe if the architect/urban design firms of record from the casino proposal entered into a compact with the developer to furnish all the expertise they gained studying the parcel/landscape here, in return for whatever compensation, that might go a long ways... I just hope all that accumulated site study doesn't go to waste, unless it truly is 100% irrelevant to whatever gets proposed here.
 
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Purchase is moving ahead. Not clear if the 2018 racing schedule will go ahead, and not clear if simulcasting will be "compatible" with the new development or continued on a different site.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...s-developer/kIwPRdhmWYcC8IGkqyi3GL/story.html

Also, maybe better to remove the word "Potential" from the thread title? It's now a real redevelopment.
 
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Equilibria said:
Purchase is moving ahead. Not clear if the 2018 racing schedule will go ahead, and not clear if simulcasting will be "compatible" with the new development or continued on a different site.
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From the earlier mention in the thread (from the Herald Article) it sounded like they wanted to move the racing (and presumably simulcasting) to another location (near Worcester?) Is there a (defunct) horse track around Worcester available to take up the racing and simulcasting business?

I see some mention of Brockton Fairgrounds starting horse racing back up and they wanted a casino... so simulcasting would make sense probably. Unless it is easy to just go out and get a new simulcasting license, then Brockton doesn't need Suffolk Down's.
 
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tangent said:
From the earlier mention in the thread (from the Herald Article) it sounded like they wanted to move the racing (and presumably simulcasting) to another location (near Worcester?) Is there a (defunct) horse track around Worcester available to take up the racing and simulcasting business?
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Yup.

http://www.telegram.com/news/201703...proposed-spencer-complex-as-smoke-and-mirrors

http://www.telegram.com/news/20170306/200-acre-horse-park-may-be-developed-in-spencer
 
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HalcyonEra said:
With all due respect to Spencer, that town is tough to get to.
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Would be a bit hard to support the gambling side of the business in Spencer. Probably Brockton is the best place for horse racing/simulcast with a track already there and closer to more potential customers.

But a lot of kids would love to visit a nice big horse farm like they seem to be talking about even if it was over an hour away from much of the Boston area Could be a weekend day trip kind of destination and spur interest in horses.

Anyway, a bit of a tangent. But an interesting one to see if the horse side of the business can be helped by relocation to greener pastures.
 
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