The Ipswich | 2 Charlesgate West | Fenway

alicat said:
Ridiculous. Marty Walsh needs to grow a pair and lay down the law.We cannot grow horizontally so we need to grow vertically.Before we know it more projects will be strangled like the Copley Place tower after years of push back.Development is being driven by selfish aholes like in the Harbor Towers and now in the tired area east of Fenway.Sick of this shit.
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We can grow horizontally. It's called rapid transit to Lynn, Salem, Waltham, Needham etc.
 
odurandina said:
In other words, the Boston RedSox basically just dashed any hopes that we'll see anything of considerable height built on some 12~15 parcels near Fenway, and the High Spine expanding a little in the coming years. Pathetic.
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No they didn't.

They are not the decision makers. They are a very powerful constituency, but they are not the only one. From the article, it seems that the very active Fenway constituent organizations (i.e., people who VOTE and whom the pols are concerned with) are split on this (FCA and BPA worried about shadows and Fenway Studios and Fenway Alliance firmly for it.

The GlobeSox have gotten some very nice goodies from this city. They should worry a bit more about being a good neighbor also.
 
Thanks to downburst we know exactly how the view will be affected.


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It is very significant. Whether its positive or negative is up for debate and an opinion depending on who is looking at it. Obviously myself and many others on an architecture dedicated forum would lean positive, but it is significant none the less. 1 Dalton also is pretty significant, but I guess to them its okay because its off in the distance. This does block the downtown skyline from many perspectives, but again whether that is a negative is opinion based. For an urban core stadium I think you kind of want to be surrounded by the city, but it does block a hundred year old view corridor, that much at least is not an opinion. To me (IMO) this just adds to the iconic view of the city from fenway, but my opinion means nothing at all in the grand scheme, the same as most other people on this forum. We just have to sit back and see what happens.
 
Somebody needs to eventually declare that no one but the owner of the parcel being built upon "owns" the view of that particular segment of skyline. I don't know how that ended up being a legitimate argument in the first place but it's absolutely absurd.
 
Jouhou said:
Somebody needs to eventually declare that no one but the owner of the parcel being built upon "owns" the view of that particular segment of skyline. I don't know how that ended up being a legitimate argument in the first place but it's absolutely absurd.
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If the Red Sox were to intercede to prevent the new owner of the Citgo Sign from removing it (and they would) on the grounds that it affected views from the stadium, we'd love that. I don't agree with them in this case, but it's not as simple as a blanket statement.
 
Don't remember them having a shit-fit when those other two towers of recent origin were built ruining their view of Venus. Then again, the Sox don't act like they own the Back Bay...so maybe this is exactly as petty and pointless a dick-measuring contest as it appears.
 
Why didn't the sox get upset when the Pru ended their distant view of the Custom House Tower from the top of the press box.
 
Equilibria said:
If the Red Sox were to intercede to prevent the new owner of the Citgo Sign from removing it (and they would) on the grounds that it affected views from the stadium, we'd love that. I don't agree with them in this case, but it's not as simple as a blanket statement.
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Fuck that, it's a stupid corporate sign of a greedy oil company controlled by a corrupt dictator. The love affair with that sign is baffling, especially after the optics changed when it went LED.
 
PNC Park in Pittsburgh has a fantastic view of Pittsburgh (it's also probably the best ballpark in MLB, imo) - easily one of the two best views from a ballpark. The other is in San Francisco.

Fenway does not have a view of the downtown skyline like PNC Park does, this building is not going to alter anything.
 
HalcyonEra said:
Fuck that, it's a stupid corporate sign of a greedy oil company controlled by a corrupt dictator. The love affair with that sign is baffling, especially after the optics changed when it went LED.
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I don't see it as all that baffling - people are seeing it as a symbol of their childhood, aka watching the Sox on TV and always having the sign in the background while sitting there with Dad. What you say is true, but that isn't running through most people's minds.
 
HalcyonEra said:
Fuck that, it's a stupid corporate sign of a greedy oil company controlled by a corrupt dictator. The love affair with that sign is baffling, especially after the optics changed when it went LED.
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The whininess of the younger, crybaby/participation trophy/safe space generation has me turning into a crotchety old man much sooner than I expected to.

The sign is a symbol of Fenway, and nostalgia for everybody 25-30+ who grew up around here. Obviously it's not so high tech when compared to, say, Playstation 4, but it's a fun/quirky piece of Boston and an icon of the 20th century. If you have no memories of the 20th century, then yes the love affair with this sign probably is, indeed, baffling.
 
tysmith95 said:
I said rapid transit, not highways. TOD is smart development.
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Yes, but rapid transit to spread development to the suburbs to grow them wider is still spreading the concrete. More single family homes, etc.
 
From the 2 Charlesgate Public Comments, here's the render the Red Sox submitted with their comments:

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Note that the Red Sox comments, including their render, make up 6 of that document's 54 pages. And after reading the Sox' full list of concerns (traffic!, wind!, "Manhattanization"!) I actually have less sympathy for them...
 
bakgwailo said:
Wind is actually a very valid concern for a baseball team - I wouldn't blame them on not wanting to change the wind patterns around say home plate.
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It's not the wind around home plate, it's the wind on the streets blocks away. No way this tower would have an effect on the wind inside the stadium.
 
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