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A breath of fresh air:

From the WSJ Online:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124096752794066457.html

"Dick Cheney is often critical of President Obama, but on one issue we suspect the former Vice President has a grudging admiration: In a mere 100 days, the Democrat has silenced eight years of criticism about the Imperial Presidency. It is once again the liberal hour in American politics, and the media and political classes now see energy in the executive as a national asset.
[Review & Outlook] AP

Though we disagree with much of Mr. Obama's agenda, this turnaround has its benefits. A worried electorate wants to feel better about the country after the bitterness of the Bush years, and his cool confidence has lifted the public mood. He is a likable man who seems open to other arguments, even if he really isn't. His rise to Commander in Chief has sapped the war debate of its partisan animus, and he is now responsible for success or failure in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has made responsible decisions on both fronts.

We have our doubts about Mr. Obama's faith in diplomacy with enemies, but even here his first three months have had their uses. When Kim Jong Il broke his nuclear promises and tossed U.N. inspectors from North Korea in 2002, Democrats blamed President Bush. Now that Kim is doing the same despite Mr. Obama's open handshake, we know better. Our guess is that Mr. Obama's dalliance with Iran, Syria and other rogues will be similarly instructive, and we can hope the President draws the proper lessons before Iran goes nuclear. It's too early to know if Mr. Obama will turn out to be a tough-minded liberal internationalist, in the Tony Blair mode, or a naive globalist, a la Jimmy Carter.

On the home front, there can no longer be any such doubts. Mr. Obama talks the language of pragmatism, but his program has revealed a man of the left. He clearly views the financial crisis and the liberal majorities in Congress as a rare chance to advance the power of the state in American life. The only two comparable moments in the last century were 1965, which gave us the Great Society, and 1933, which bequeathed the New Deal. Mr. Obama's goals are at least as ambitious, resuming the march toward the European welfare state that was stopped by what Democrats like to call the Reagan detour.

His main method here is to make the federal government the guarantor of middle-class security. He wants to make a college education a new entitlement, regardless of the cost. He wants state-financed health-care available to all, even if it means jamming a $1 trillion bill through the Senate with 51 votes. And he wants a cap-and-trade tax that would punish the main current sources of U.S. energy and hand Washington a vast new source of revenue.

Oh, and by the way, he also wants to fix the financial system, run the auto industry, and build a nationwide, high-speed rail network. And on the seventh day, he rested.

What's striking is that Mr. Obama betrays no sense that maybe all of this isn't achievable, much less affordable, all at once. In contrast to Bill Clinton, he has abandoned any deficit concern, building in red ink of at least 4% of GDP for the next decade. And that's assuming the revival of rapid economic growth, and before counting the real cost of health care.

He claims to believe that the revenue to pay for this can be had merely by tapping the rich, as Democrats did during the 1990s, because he and his advisers assume that higher tax rates don't matter. But growth in the 1990s got going in earnest only after HillaryCare collapsed, Republicans took Congress and at least for a while spending was restrained and taxes were cut. The current arc of spending and taxes is only going up -- and to levels not seen in decades. The Obama program is going to test the liberal faith, not observed since the 1970s, that deficit spending and easy monetary policy are engines of prosperity. If they are wrong, then Mr. Obama will eventually find himself managing the politics of stagflation.

More troubling still is Mr. Obama's leap into managing major U.S. industries. Even the European left got out of the nationalization business as a loser after the 1970s. But the Obama White House and Treasury are nationalizing GM and Chrysler, expanding government's role in the mortgage markets, and widening their ownership of the U.S. banking system. The deeper they dig in, the harder they will find it politically to exit. And as economic policy, the mauling of GM bondholders, the banker-baiting on Capitol Hill, and the refusal to let even healthy banks escape the TARP won't revive animal spirits.

This last point may be more a matter of Mr. Obama's character than his ideology. One lesson from the first 100 days is that the President doesn't like to do things that are politically difficult, such as stand up to Congress. He has abdicated the writing of most legislation to liberal committee chairmen, at the cost of bipartisanship. This means that when he really needs Republicans -- on trade and national security -- they might not be there. And he has bent far too easily to his party's populists on AIG bonuses, Mexican trucks and interrogation memos -- even as they threaten to complicate his other priorities.

Mr. Obama is more popular than his policies, and sooner or later the twain shall meet. For now, we are living in another era of unchecked liberal government. The reckoning will come when Americans discover how much it costs."
 
NEWSFLASH: OBAMA A CLOSET LIBERAL!!!

There are two reasons I support Obama, still, after reading that.

First off he is at least open about his liberal spending. Bush called himself a "compassionate conservative" and was neither compassionate nor conservative. He was a liar, but worse, he was an incompetent leader.

Secondly, being a pretty liberal person myself, I have no problem with what he is doing visa-vi national healthcare, railroads, trying to shore up the economy.

One thing I will say is I am concerned that he is not being honest about what it will cost. Even Regan had to raise taxes to pay for everything he wanted. Personally I would have no problem paying the gov't more if I knew I could walk into any hospital and not have to pay for anything, or that some/all of my college tuition would be paid for. That is an investment in human capital, the best kind of investment.

I also think that this "Obama wants the government to run industry" talk is overblown right wing fear mongering. This was a mess laid at Obamas feet and he is doing the best he can. Personally I would like to see the free market deal with the banks and industries that behaved like coked out frat boys, but the fact is the economy is too important to let completely fall apart. I hate the term "to big to fail" but I also understand that things are too interconnected for every bank to just collapse.
 
Weird, the way it was written, I thought the WSJ was praising him!
 
I reserve judgment on the Obama program for now. But claiming this is a purposeful Euro70's nationalization agenda is like comparing the person who finds a baby on the doorstep to the Octomom.
 
"Liberalism is a mental disorder."

This sentence is not only accurate, it's elegant! It explains a so many ssues in so few words without getting into unnecessary minutiae.
 
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When did this become a political forum? What's the point of posting a run of the mill WSJ article that tells us what we already know and takes a few shots at Obama, citing things the economic right are afraid of (some true and welcome by the center and left, others less desirable and stated with no real evidence)? In what way is this a breath of fresh air? It's a page filler, a tempered yet intellectually dishonest article that could have been written by anyone with a semester of high school journalism.
 
It's the General forum. Political postings are are allowed.
 
I support Obama, but no matter what understand this republicans, if he screws up every step of the way on everything he does, he is only going par for the G W Bush course.
Plus you should all watch I.O.U.S.A. (documentary) we are already trillions in debt (I believe around 100 trill or so, alot of which racked up in Bush's tenure) so adding another couple trill to it to prevent the economy (and then society) from unraveling is pretty much a no brainer b/c we're kind of already fucked in regards to paying our debt.
And finally I love how conservative right wingers (paranoid WASPS) call Obama a terrorist when I beleive pres Bush decided to continue reading a story to kindergardeners on 9/11 when terroirists were attacking us. Allowing them to continue to attack us.
 
November One, requesting priority incendiary packet north of this position.



If you think the 'stimulus' is anything more than an unprecedented transfer of wealth from the politically unconnected to the politically connected, as a reward for the election, heaven help you.

Running up the national credit card is fine to pay the bills, and while your at it spend even more money, because hey we are already in debt anyway? What kind of leadership is that? BAD. Oh, well Bush did it too, but I thought Mr.Teleprompter Jesus was supposed to be better then Boooosh, and now he is following the same stupid spending sprees on a much grander scale. Gee that ought to work really well.

And finally I love how conservative right wingers (paranoid WASPS) call Obama a terrorist when I beleive pres Bush decided to continue reading a story to kindergardeners on 9/11 when terroirists were attacking us. Allowing them to continue to attack us.

First off, you RAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!

Secondly,
Obama wasn't called a terrorist, he was called on his associations with domestic terrorists. Having someone with the same intent, only with poorer skills in explosives, as Timothy McVeigh close to you usually indicates a character issue.

Thirdly,
The Moore talking point is very stale. When Bush was told about the WTC in front of the children, it wasn't known to be a deliberate terrorist act. Once it was, action was taken, but it was already too late. Everything about that is very detailed and embarrassing to the government in the 9/11 Comission report.
 
If you think the 'stimulus' is anything more than an unprecedented transfer of wealth from the politically unconnected to the politically connected, as a reward for the election, heaven help you.
Could you go into further detail on this? I'm honestly not sure what you are talking about.
Running up the national credit card is fine to pay the bills, and while your at it spend even more money, because hey we are already in debt anyway? What kind of leadership is that? BAD. Oh, well Bush did it too, but I thought Mr.Teleprompter Jesus was supposed to be better then Boooosh, and now he is following the same stupid spending sprees on a much grander scale. Gee that ought to work really well.

Except that Booooosh spent it on overseas military empire-building exercises while Teleprompter Jesus (clever!) is trying to spend it domestically on infrastructure projects that will actually help our own economy. Whether or not he will be successful with this is a matter of honest debate, but at least he is trying to do the right thing, rather than fucking it up from the get-go.

The Moore talking point is very stale.
Agreed. We really need to move past that type of dialog.
 
Statler, look at all the political patronage in the auto industry negotiations. How is it that all the bond holders and investors are getting wiped out and then taxed for the bailouts, but the UAW, whose work rules significantly created the mess, get up to 55% ownership of the companies? I can't say I'm thrilled either that Chrystler is essentially having its aquisition by FIAT subsidized by the taxpayer either. Additionally, Ford, the only company not to become a protectorate of the government, now essentially faces having its UAW dominated workforce owning its two domestic competitors. I can imagine that working out really well for the company and consumers.

Infrastructral spending does help the economy, when it is focused on key areas and projects which in turn allow commerce and industry to expand in new ways or increase efficiencies. If there was some grand plan for a new power grid, or standardized public transit, or nuclear power, etc. that would be great. Unfortunately most of the infrastructural projects in the stimulus are routine repairs or replacements which the states have been too cheap to undertake on their own or typical seasonal make work projects.

The stimulus really isn't even an infrastructural bill with only a third of the monies actually going to construction. The administration also changed the government bidding rules to exclude non union construction companies. The whole stimulus and continued bailout action is pretty much a giant gift to unions, special interests, political pet projects, etc. Given the MASSIVE DEBT SERVICE on all this spending, it's going to cripple the economy in the near future, not stimulate it.

The speed and lack of transparency in the whole adoption the bill should have been a hint it was rotten to the core. No one in the oval office of congress wanted the public to realize where the money was actually going. Hell, given all the distractions with the AIG bonuses, pirates, and the flu, I doubt anyone really has looked into how what monies have already been dispursed have been spent!
 
Obama is the second least-popular president in the past forty years after 100 days according to Gallup.

He is also divisive and highly partisan. And truly, honestly, just not that bright. It's time people focused on that. He can't answer questions without mumbling and stuttering. He can't speak off the cuff at all. There's no there there.

The problem is you can't call him dumb, or inevitably you are called a racist. His brand has been honed to be "smart" and that's the story we're told. But I think he's dumb. He refuses to release his academic records for a reason. At least we knew that Bush was a B/C student (better grades than John Kerry) with a strong SAT score of 1206.

We don't anything about Obama's intellect other than he reads a speech nicely and has charisma before the cameras.

Here's what I think - Bush would mumble through his speeches and was uncomfortable with prepared remarks, always butchering them - but he was sharper on his toes and generally better in press conferences.

Obama is the exact opposite. In fact, he is so bad in off-the-cuff remarks and speaking his mind freely that he has taken the extraordinary steps of pre-vetting questions at his "press conferences", calling on pre-approved reporters, and inviting coat-hanger bloggers to these stage shows.

So how about a debate on whether or not the new president is a smart guy or a dumb guy? I don't care about his ability to speak in front of cameras, I know a ton of on-air personality locally that can barely tie their own shoes when the cameras go off.
 
Let me be Machiavellian for a moment.

Given the MASSIVE DEBT SERVICE on all this spending, it's going to cripple the economy in the near future...

You're assuming that these debts will have to be repaid....

How is it that all the bond holders and investors are getting wiped out and then taxed for the bailouts...

...and you're assuming that creditors should expect to be repaid!
 
First off, you RAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!


Really? What the word WASP? The people? Last time I checked, in the brief history of this country, WASP's came over, raped, poisoned the native americans, enslaved Africans, then just segregated/ disenfranchised them up until the mid 60?s. There are plenty of good WASPs out there, but basically history shows WASP?s in power are less racist than NAZI?s and that?s about it.

And lets get back to the point you didn?t acknowledge my argument. We?re very very much in debt already, this stimulus spending is putting a few more drops in the bucket. And yes this is a very serious issue I agree. But if we don?t take care of the short term there won?t be a long term to worry about. If the economy unravels too much, it will cease to function and then society goes with it. It really is as frail as life.

And I?m sorry , but I have to mention that while the airplanes were in the air on 9/11, it was know that the planes were hijacked. The FAA asked if the Air Force should scramble jets, if the commander in Chief decided to stop reading the Little Engine that Could, maybe something could have been done, maybe not, but either way action should have been taken IMEDIATLEY. Also just have to mention that the Bush admin pushed us into a messy war, was criminally negligent in response to Hurricane Katrina, Dick Chenny is the devil, and Sarah Palin is the face of Idiot America.

And I agree you should be able to criticize the president on his policies and not be called a racist, but keep it real, half of the people who don't like him don't because he is black. So that is why you get thrown under that bus.
 
I would argue, but it is apparent you have a lethal dose of Chomsky and Zinn in your veins, and any time trying to treat that with reason is futile.

FrankG, the real value of money is TRUST! If this country no longer honors its debt to creditors, given that the US is a major hub of the global economy, the fallout would be catastrophic.
 
Lurker, thanks for the civil, thoughtful reply. I was getting tired of responding to nonsense with nonsense. :)

I can't say I'm thrilled either that Chrystler is essentially having its aquisition by FIAT subsidized by the taxpayer either.

I don't think anybody is, including the president or anyone in his administration. All things considered, I think they would have much rather have walked in the door with a healthy auto industry in Detroit. But they didn't and as much fun as it may be for us to sit behind our keyboards and say "Fuck 'em, let em fail", the president can't really do that. The results would catastrophic. And remember he didn't exactly shove this down their throats, they came to him looking for cash. They of course said they wanted their money no strings attached and the administration said (wisely) "Uh, no. You want our money, you play by our rules."
Now again, can the government help fix the auto industry? Maybe, maybe not, but they sure as hell can't break it anymore then it currently is.

Infrastructral spending does help the economy, when it is focused on key areas and projects which in turn allow commerce and industry to expand in new ways or increase efficiencies. If there was some grand plan for a new power grid, or standardized public transit, or nuclear power, etc. that would be great. Unfortunately most of the infrastructural projects in the stimulus are routine repairs or replacements which the states have been too cheap to undertake on their own or typical seasonal make work projects.
This. This right here is where this administrations critics should be expending all of their energy. It is, bar none, their strongest point.

The stimulus really isn't even an infrastructural bill with only a third of the monies actually going to construction.
What are you basing this on?

The administration also changed the government bidding rules to exclude non union construction companies. The whole stimulus and continued bailout action is pretty much a giant gift to unions, special interests, political pet projects, etc. Given the MASSIVE DEBT SERVICE on all this spending, it's going to cripple the economy in the near future, not stimulate it.

The speed and lack of transparency in the whole adoption the bill should have been a hint it was rotten to the core. No one in the oval office of congress wanted the public to realize where the money was actually going. Hell, given all the distractions with the AIG bonuses, pirates, and the flu, I doubt anyone really has looked into how what monies have already been dispursed have been spent!
The speed thing, I see both sides of. I can understand the importance of vetting such a large chunk of spending, while at the same time, the need to get this money out the door as quickly as possible. Kind of a no-win situation there.
What kind of transparency are you looking for? I assume this isn't enough? I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious what other steps you feel they should be taking to try to keep track of this money.
 

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