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Im working on a project that would bring the Olympics to Boston in 2028 (its just a game ;) )and I need to know the following:

What current and future (2028) major transport challenges does Boston and the
region face?

And I also need to know major transportation upgrades that are planned for Boston (subway expansions, commuter rail expansion, motorway upgrades)

Thanks:D
 
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The only transportation improvements that *might* be built by 2028 are the Green Line extensions to Union Square and West Medford. Other than that, there are no transit or highway projects that will see the light of day.

Too many NIMBY's, provincial mindsets, corrupt ineffective politicians, tight funding and environmental over-regulation to build anything anymore. China and the third world are pulling ahead, leaving us far behind.
 
The only transportation improvements that *might* be built by 2028 are the Green Line extensions to Union Square and West Medford. Other than that, there are no transit or highway projects that will see the light of day.

Too many NIMBY's, provincial mindsets, corrupt ineffective politicians, tight funding and environmental over-regulation to build anything anymore. China and the third world are pulling ahead, leaving us far behind.

Charlie -- leave China out of the discussion -- there really is no comparison

I was at a Global Engineering Education Symposium in Singapore in October 2010 -- I had breakfast one morning at a table with a senior flunky of the PRC Minister of Education who had just keynoted the Conference. Her flunky -- call him Chin said - China and India (somewhat begrugding the competition) were producing so many engineers compared to the US and EU that it wasn't even close -- and went on to brag about Maglev, super airports, towers, etc.

A couple of EU folks looked depressed -- I couldn't take it so I said -- "You need a lot of engineers for your impresive development -- [Chin lt up] then I nailed him -- "2/3 of your population are still living as their ancestors did in the 14th Century -- in the US 99.75% of the population is living in the late 20th or early 21st Century --and the 0.25% who are not live in northern Vermont and chose subsistence agriculture by choice -- [Pow! -- the EU folks brightened up and Chin kinda flopped]-- as W said "Mission Accomplished"

since then I spent 3 weeks in India and while the mix and distribution are dffierent -- there is a very very long way to go for both to compare with the EU or the US
 
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True but this whole lack of urgency due to complacency will bite the US in the long run.
 
The only transportation improvements that *might* be built by 2028 are the Green Line extensions to Union Square and West Medford. Other than that, there are no transit or highway projects that will see the light of day.

Too many NIMBY's, provincial mindsets, corrupt ineffective politicians, tight funding and environmental over-regulation to build anything anymore. China and the third world are pulling ahead, leaving us far behind.

I think this may be a bit off base. The Fairmount line is getting stations added and the infill stop on the orange line are two more upgrades coming down the pipeline.

In terms of projects that might be completed by 2028 I could easily see upgrades to the Washington street Silverline happening, and the Fairmount line becoming the "Indigo" line within 15 years. South Cost Commuter Rail will be done and there is a possibility commuter rail may be expanded at least partially into New Hampshire.

On top of all this there are many small projects that if another round of sort of "investing in america's infrastructure" grants roll around, which is likely in the next 15 years, you could see finished. Things like "T under D," "Red Blue connector," connecting the two Silverline branches, and even the Blue Line extension are possible. I wouldn't doubt another BRT line or two popping up too if these grants happen again.
 
South Coast Snail isn't going to happen... or so I hope... and if it does, it will probably not be going by 2028, and certainly not for $2 billion+. It would be a complete outrage. I'd chain myself down in the tracks and wouldn't let work proceed.
 
South Coast Snail isn't going to happen... or so I hope... and if it does, it will probably not be going by 2028, and certainly not for $2 billion+. It would be a complete outrage. I'd chain myself down in the tracks and wouldn't let work proceed.

And deep down, I think Beacon Hill realizes this too. But it's an enormous task just to grind the whole planning operation to a halt when so many pols are feeding off that trough.

What I can see happening is that if the Taunton casino happens they proceed with the Stoughton-Taunton restoration as a face-saver recast as an economic development "expeditor" that requires splitting the project (finally) into phases. And then they let Phase II to FR/NB immediately die the death it needs, focus on reining the spoiled brats in Easton/Raynham/Taunton back in, wash their hands of the more expensive 2/3 of the project down south, and pivot to Cape Rail as next priority (with M'boro extension to Buzzards Bay first to a Cape Cod Central RR transfer, then state-run service via Stoughton-Taunton where that route's better-equipped than the Old Colony to handle the schedule).


It sucks for the South Coast that ridiculous promises were made. But the promises were ridiculous and it spun out of control. I'd rather they just came clean with it and turned the page, but if there's got to be a face-saving retreat Taunton works. Both as political cover with the casino and as future investment, since that restored route is the only way there can ever be robust Boston train service to the SE corner of the state...now, 2050, or 2100. NEC and Old Colony simply don't have the capacity, and if they don't build this connection the Easton/Raynham assholes will have the forever earth-salting rail trail ready within 5 minutes of the project's cancellation.


Nobody ever said digging out of a self-made hole was clean business.
 
How do the politicians get their kickbacks?

Bos -- Are you serious?

A very famous politician of the past defined the rules for "Bacon Hill":
1) Everything is a deal
2) No deal is too small
3) find yourself someone who you can trust with your "lunch money"
4) have lunch

How another provided the process:
1) Never write what you can say
2) Nevery say what you can whisper
3) Never whisper what you can nod
4) Never nod what you can wink
5) most people have an occasional "eye problem"
 
... South Cost Commuter Rail will be done and there is a possibility commuter rail may be expanded at least partially into New Hampshire.

On top of all this there are many small projects that if another round of sort of "investing in america's infrastructure" grants roll around, which is likely in the next 15 years, you could see finished. Things like "T under D," "Red Blue connector," connecting the two Silverline branches, and even the Blue Line extension are possible. I wouldn't doubt another BRT line or two popping up too if these grants happen again.

Found$ -- " "another round of sort of "investing in america's infrastructure" grants roll around, which is likely in the next 15 years" ---- Dream-On!

Much more likely -- especially after seeing [presumably] the success of Assembly Sq.:

The private sector might motivate and build extensions to the Silver Line in the SPID
Haaaaaaavd might do something related to Alston
Hanscom after the AF leaves

Somewhat lesss likely -- Blue to Red via Orange to Orange pedestrian tunnel in DTX

From your list -- the traditional Red/Blue at Charles is possible
 
And then they let Phase II to FR/NB immediately die the death it needs, focus on reining the spoiled brats in Easton/Raynham/Taunton back in, wash their hands of the more expensive 2/3 of the project down south,

F-Line, wouldn't the stoughton/taunton section be the most expensive, as they are recommending a trestle thru the swamp and the ROW is no longer in use? With NB, I understand that there is still some activity, albeit small, on that section. Likewise with FR. Don't get me wrong, I know that the Cadillac version has been promised all around, but in terms of strictly running trains from NB and FR to Boston, the southern triangle would seem to be an easier fix. They replaced every tie on the Old Colony for what, $90M? A 30 mile extension on the Downeaster wasn't $2 Billion. I know there is more to it but the price tag continues to astound.
 
F-Line, wouldn't the stoughton/taunton section be the most expensive, as they are recommending a trestle thru the swamp and the ROW is no longer in use? With NB, I understand that there is still some activity, albeit small, on that section. Likewise with FR. Don't get me wrong, I know that the Cadillac version has been promised all around, but in terms of strictly running trains from NB and FR to Boston, the southern triangle would seem to be an easier fix. They replaced every tie on the Old Colony for what, $90M? A 30 mile extension on the Downeaster wasn't $2 Billion. I know there is more to it but the price tag continues to astound.

No...FR/NB half is pricing out about twice as expensive. Yes...that is a skull-crushingly astounding thing that should not be. That is the level of graft that is going on down there with those stations.

It's only 14.5 miles of abandoned track between Gay St. Stoughton at the end of the active storage track and Winter St., Taunton at the end of MassCoastal's active track. With only 1 grade crossing at 138 in Raynham scheduled for elimination with a prefab rail overpass. Then 1.5 miles of active freight track where the single most densely-developed area on the line only needs signaling and a track speed boost, but no new track or crossing construction. Greenbush was 27 miles of abandoned track and 2/3 mile of active track. Very big difference. Even bigger than the almost 2x distance when you consider that the biggest cost bloat with Greenbush was @#$% Hingham tunnel, miles of ROW fencing, sound walls, trenching the ROW into a cut or elevating it onto an embankment, somewhere north of a half-dozen grade separations, relocated private driveways for further crossing eliminations, and liability payments (ransom) to the towns for the heavy number of reactivated crossings. All in the name of NIMBY coddling of homeowners who built and encroached on a ROW legally subject to at-will reactivation at the state's decision. That is absolutely not not not not not the reference point to reach for on cost of reactivating abandoned track. Not even by factor of tens. That's the sheer enormity of the Masspol tax being given away in this insanity.


The density's much lower on the Stoughton route. Most of the residential abutters and grade crossings are in Stoughton itself where the ROW closely hugs 138. After it splits off the residential clusters are +/- 3 blocks from the 2 Easton stops, +/- 3 blocks from 495 (yes...this is where the Raynham crazies all are, at the subdivision abutting the tranquil, sound barrier-free 495/138 interchange. Raynham is now the new champ of completely full-of-shit NIMBY 'burbs. Suck it, Hingham.). Or is buffered by >100 ft. of woodland between abutters, far enough to require no fencing or barriers. The rest is all conservation space. Except for the big swamp, most of it (like Pine Swamp, Taunton or Stoughton Memorial Conservation Land) the ROW frames the border of but doesn't pass directly through the wetlands.

The Greenbush stations really weren't that bad. They're all that prefab Old Colony generic construction with not many frills. Pricier than they should've been because they OD'd on parking per usual, but nothing like the insanity going on now with the South Acton and Littleton rebuilds. To Taunton there's only 4 stations: Easton Village (historic station, downtown square stop, limited Needham Ctr.-ish parking), Easton Depot (big-ass parking lot, neighborhood TOD), Raynham (huge-ass recycled Dog Park parking lot, bottomless-pit onsite TOD boondoggle), Downtown Taunton/Route 44 (on active track, medium-large parking, long but narrow station parcel, neighborhood TOD...probably want some aesthetics/shops lining the platform since it's not big enough to plunk something large on).


But compare that to the PALACES being sketched up south of there:
-- East Taunton/140 (parking, parking, parking, parking...TOD, TOD, TOD). In fairness, this TOD could actually work well if it were at 24/Silver City Galleria on the NB branch, but Taunton's digging in hard for Weir Jct. at 138 and the branch split...all of 1 mile from the other downtown stop. Which is stupid and a transparent ploy to wedge-issue a Silver City build as stop #3 in <3 miles.
-- 2 gold-plated Fall River stops with parking, parking, parking and onsite TOD, TOD, TOD. Possible waiting room at the downtown stop.
-- @#$% north bumfuck Freetown with a cosmically oversized parking lot and native pol running the SCR task force.
-- King's Highway, NB. Parking x8, TOD promised to the moon. Makes bad-news Raynham look like a cakewalk.
-- Gold-plated Whale's Tooth with its North Station-sized waiting room, parkingparkingparking, bicycle storage, and orgasmic TOD dreams.

6 (or 7) bottomless lard pits on the active-track branches vs. 1 bottomless lard pit (Raynham), 2 overbuilds...but with clear ceiling on possible scope of the overbuild (Easton Depot, Taunton), and 1 more or less as-is reactivation (Easton Vill.) with very finite costs because it can't be modified much.


There's where you get >2x cost on active track already used every day of the week. And, mind you, it ain't cheap where they are restoring because of the swamp and the Army Corp's ransoming for fun toys and bottomless over-charges on its EIS work (forget electrification...that's an overreach too far beyond the pale to legally stand vs. a lawful RR charter). But that's only spinning out of control because the planners won't get their heads out of the NB Mayor's ass for one second to challenge the Corps' overreach and stand their ground. Yeah, swamp thang is gonna have sticker shock. But they're giving such full and undivided attention to putting cherries on top of the sticker shock south of there that...you know, "effort = winning." For the right people at least.
 
No...FR/NB half is pricing out about twice as expensive. Yes...that is a skull-crushingly astounding thing that should not be. That is the level of graft that is going on down there with those stations.

It's only 14.5 miles of abandoned track between Gay St. Stoughton at the end of the active storage track and Winter St., Taunton at the end of MassCoastal's active track. With only 1 grade crossing at 138 in Raynham scheduled for elimination with a prefab rail overpass. Then 1.5 miles of active freight track where the single most densely-developed area on the line only needs signaling and a track speed boost, but no new track or crossing construction. Greenbush was 27 miles of abandoned track and 2/3 mile of active track. Very big difference. Even bigger than the almost 2x distance when you consider that the biggest cost bloat with Greenbush was @#$% Hingham tunnel, miles of ROW fencing, sound walls, trenching the ROW into a cut or elevating it onto an embankment, somewhere north of a half-dozen grade separations, relocated private driveways for further crossing eliminations, and liability payments (ransom) to the towns for the heavy number of reactivated crossings. All in the name of NIMBY coddling of homeowners who built and encroached on a ROW legally subject to at-will reactivation at the state's decision. That is absolutely not not not not not the reference point to reach for on cost of reactivating abandoned track. Not even by factor of tens. That's the sheer enormity of the Masspol tax being given away in this insanity.


The density's much lower on the Stoughton route. Most of the residential abutters and grade crossings are in Stoughton itself where the ROW closely hugs 138. After it splits off the residential clusters are +/- 3 blocks from the 2 Easton stops, +/- 3 blocks from 495 (yes...this is where the Raynham crazies all are, at the subdivision abutting the tranquil, sound barrier-free 495/138 interchange. Raynham is now the new champ of completely full-of-shit NIMBY 'burbs. Suck it, Hingham.). Or is buffered by >100 ft. of woodland between abutters, far enough to require no fencing or barriers. The rest is all conservation space. Except for the big swamp, most of it (like Pine Swamp, Taunton or Stoughton Memorial Conservation Land) the ROW frames the border of but doesn't pass directly through the wetlands.

The Greenbush stations really weren't that bad. They're all that prefab Old Colony generic construction with not many frills. Pricier than they should've been because they OD'd on parking per usual, but nothing like the insanity going on now with the South Acton and Littleton rebuilds. To Taunton there's only 4 stations: Easton Village (historic station, downtown square stop, limited Needham Ctr.-ish parking), Easton Depot (big-ass parking lot, neighborhood TOD), Raynham (huge-ass recycled Dog Park parking lot, bottomless-pit onsite TOD boondoggle), Downtown Taunton/Route 44 (on active track, medium-large parking, long but narrow station parcel, neighborhood TOD...probably want some aesthetics/shops lining the platform since it's not big enough to plunk something large on).


But compare that to the PALACES being sketched up south of there:
-- East Taunton/140 (parking, parking, parking, parking...TOD, TOD, TOD). In fairness, this TOD could actually work well if it were at 24/Silver City Galleria on the NB branch, but Taunton's digging in hard for Weir Jct. at 138 and the branch split...all of 1 mile from the other downtown stop. Which is stupid and a transparent ploy to wedge-issue a Silver City build as stop #3 in <3 miles.
-- 2 gold-plated Fall River stops with parking, parking, parking and onsite TOD, TOD, TOD. Possible waiting room at the downtown stop.
-- @#$% north bumfuck Freetown with a cosmically oversized parking lot and native pol running the SCR task force.
-- King's Highway, NB. Parking x8, TOD promised to the moon. Makes bad-news Raynham look like a cakewalk.
-- Gold-plated Whale's Tooth with its North Station-sized waiting room, parkingparkingparking, bicycle storage, and orgasmic TOD dreams.

6 (or 7) bottomless lard pits on the active-track branches vs. 1 bottomless lard pit (Raynham), 2 overbuilds...but with clear ceiling on possible scope of the overbuild (Easton Depot, Taunton), and 1 more or less as-is reactivation (Easton Vill.) with very finite costs because it can't be modified much.


There's where you get >2x cost on active track already used every day of the week. And, mind you, it ain't cheap where they are restoring because of the swamp and the Army Corp's ransoming for fun toys and bottomless over-charges on its EIS work (forget electrification...that's an overreach too far beyond the pale to legally stand vs. a lawful RR charter). But that's only spinning out of control because the planners won't get their heads out of the NB Mayor's ass for one second to challenge the Corps' overreach and stand their ground. Yeah, swamp thang is gonna have sticker shock. But they're giving such full and undivided attention to putting cherries on top of the sticker shock south of there that...you know, "effort = winning." For the right people at least.

F-Line -- I'll even grant your objections to parking in downtown Boston -- but where are the users of the Commuter Rail to Boston to come from if you don't allow lots of parking out in the burbs -- the density for walk-ups or even buses is just not there

These suburban CR stations have to have lots of parking -- when they've built enough parking so that there are open spaces at 9:00 AM then they can quit building
 
These suburban CR stations have to have lots of parking -- when they've built enough parking so that there are open spaces at 9:00 AM then they can quit building

I've done some research into this topic and what I found is that the vast majority of commuter rail stations have a lot of open parking spaces. MBTA overbuilds parking and discourages walking, in combination with the town policies which typically are extremely biased against walking.

Which is why I'm generally opposed to more commuter rail expansion.
 
F-Line -- I'll even grant your objections to parking in downtown Boston -- but where are the users of the Commuter Rail to Boston to come from if you don't allow lots of parking out in the burbs -- the density for walk-ups or even buses is just not there

These suburban CR stations have to have lots of parking -- when they've built enough parking so that there are open spaces at 9:00 AM then they can quit building

Well, then why have a sea of asphalt on Day 1 in Freetown? Middleboro opened in 1997 with a parking lot 1/3 its current 769-space size. They expanded it each time the demand tapped out. They were taking a full fist of revenue from every available space at the time of each expansion.

Is the demand going to fill up these massive lots when the projected ridership on each separate branch past Downtown Taunton has been whittled down to 500 daily boardings per? FR Depot's got 523 spaces; Freetown's got 189 spaces; Battleship Cove, 0 spaces. Whale's Tooth docs don't specify parking count, but the rendering has a larger lot than FR Depot by a healthy margin. I'm not gonna zoom the PDF and start hand-counting, but I'm gonna guess 560 at the low end, 620 at the high end. Plan B was a parking garage (!!!). King's Highway had no specs whatsoever nor a good schematic, but rejected Plan B was an even bigger garage than WT. I am going to hedge that it can't be <500 at a large highway exit, but let's be conservative and say match to Raynham.

~1725 at the low end for branches that are going to see a combined 1000 boardings per day??? Not all of them park-and-rides, because FR and WT both have big-ass bus bays on them.

On the Stoughton route Downtown Taunton's got 726 spaces; Taunton Depot, 423 spaces; Raynham, 455 spaces; Easton Depot, 519 spaces; Easton Vill., 10 spaces. Add Stoughton's 333 spaces, Canton Ctr.'s 215 spaces. And we won't count Canton Jct.'s 714 at all on this route's schedule, even though some arithmetic could probably figure out what minority uses it on this schedule vs. Providence's. So let's cap it at 2,861 spaces on the Stoughton mainline.



OK...that's 4586 minimum total spaces main + branches. On a single-tracked line.

...vs. 4743 spaces for the current Providence Line (Wickford Jct. will up that by 1100). Providence does 10,923 inbound boardings per day per th' Blue Book.



We have a serious arithmetic problem here.
 
While we're at it how about Logan? Air transport is important if you're hosting the Olympics. The only project I know about there is the centerfield taxiway.

I can already hear the groans.
 
Bos -- Are you serious?

A very famous politician of the past defined the rules for "Bacon Hill":
1) Everything is a deal
2) No deal is too small
3) find yourself someone who you can trust with your "lunch money"
4) have lunch

How another provided the process:
1) Never write what you can say
2) Nevery say what you can whisper
3) Never whisper what you can nod
4) Never nod what you can wink
5) most people have an occasional "eye problem"

Yes, how? Is it cash under the table, hire a relative, or a cushy job after election defeat. I've never doubted there is some kind of payback, why else come up with two completely unbuildable schemes for the silver line phase 3 or the never to be funded before the study expires red/blue connector.
 
Looking at my spreadsheet, I find that the average parking availability that the MBTA website reports for commuter rail lots (when numbers are provided) is 54%, median 55%.

So according to the MBTA, over half of its commuter rail parking spaces are typically unused.
 
Looking at my spreadsheet, I find that the average parking availability that the MBTA website reports for commuter rail lots (when numbers are provided) is 54%, median 55%.

So according to the MBTA, over half of its commuter rail parking spaces are typically unused.

Mathew -- how has that changed over the past decade -- Alewife used to be full and on overflow parking by 8:00 AM in the early 2000 bubble period

Then there was a retrenchment during the 2001-2003 slow down

Then a rebound so that it filled by about 8:30 with overflow by 2008

Recently I was there in the mid morning (circa 9:30 AM) and there were spots up on the roof
 

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