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Im still having the problem where Ill click on a thread and be brought to pg1 when I should be being brought to the last read page and post. It doesnt always happen, but like 25% of the time and its crazy annoying. Anyone else? Im not doing anything different than I always have and it never happened before and doesnt on any other forum. Drivin me crazy...
 

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The new Gillette redevelopment thread is another casualty for me. It's the most recent thread on the front page and I can click on that, but it doesn't show up at all in the Development Projects thread list... I didn't know it existed until I happened to visit the front page right after a post.
 

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The new Gillette redevelopment thread is another casualty for me. It's the most recent thread on the front page and I can click on that, but it doesn't show up at all in the Development Projects thread list... I didn't know it existed until I happened to visit the front page right after a post.
I'm not having any problem it's on the Development Projects Thread, What's New, New Posts and Latest Posts.
 

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I've been looking at it with the Mods and I'm not sure what the issue is. The TOU listed here is the generic Xenforo terms. I didn't write it. Pretty much the same kind of thing you find on all sites. Read it carefully. You own the copyright so we have no right to sell it. And as I've indicated previously we've never done so with any content on UrbanToronto.

 

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I've been looking at it with the Mods and I'm not sure what the issue is.
Very interesting, Edward.

@Arlington, @BeeLine @datadyne007 @George_Apley @vanshnookenraggen

Could I trouble you folks take a moment to point our host to the crux of the matter here...

The TOU listed here is the generic Xenforo terms. I didn't write it.
If this is indeed the case, would you consider replacing these terms with something you actually did write and that we, as an established community, can all comfortably agree to going forward?

Pretty much the same kind of thing you find on all sites.
That may be the case, and that's actually the core of the problem. The earnings potential of many other platforms is predicated on a monetization model that assigns value to the users' personal information, preferences, unique visits, and loads of other parameters. In short, you give up something to participate in the platform. But aB isn't Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc...

The site generates traffic, and that traffic is worth something to you as a marketable commodity to advertisers. I don't love ads, and I have the tools to block them if I wish. They're tolerable in exchange for a better user interface and site maintenance, but that's the end.

And further, on the topic of personal information, there needs to be clarity in the TOU that explicitly limits the sale or resale of user information (i.e. email addresses connected to users accounts).

Read it carefully. You own the copyright so we have no right to sell it. And as I've indicated previously we've never done so with any content on UrbanToronto.

I have. So have others. We take issue, and are asking, again, for redress.

And to clarify, once again, this isn't about me, or what I think, or how I use this forum -- it's about the future health of the dialog in this community. Surely this resonates with at least some of you folks. Conversely, if you think I'm being an asshole, don't be embarrassed to tell me so.
 
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Mike, I know you care a lot about this issue but I really think you are making it out to be more than it is. I know first hand what it's like for my content to be used without my permission but I don't see the same issue here. I'm fine with the current terms.
 

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I intimated that regardless of one's perspective on the existing terms, it wouldn't be too much of a hassle to tinker with the ToS to satisfy some of the concerns laid out here.

That said, what specifically do you see happening with your content under these terms that is making you so distrustful of them? The Xenforo platform keeps posts, even when an account is deleted. That's part of the platform, not some nefarious, capitalist scheme by Ed, who is pretty clearly just using the default ToS. I get that people are distrustful of an outsider with a business incentive and frustrated by slow responses and progress, but I'm really not getting the sense that Ed's just waiting to pounce on a monetization scheme for our content beyond advertising. I also get that people are distrustful of Terms and Conditions in general in our modern environment. Essentially we have two perspectives with one reading the ToS charitably and as pretty bog-standard legalese, and another reading the ToS with intense skepticism and seeing the worst-case scenario.

If you're concerned, please lay out the worst-case scenario for your content. Are you worried it could be used for in-house advertising under these terms? It's pretty clear that it could not be sold or used for a profit without your consent, as you hold the copyright.
 

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Hi @George_Apley - pardon my tardy reply, I've had a busy couple of days...
I intimated that regardless of one's perspective on the existing terms, it wouldn't be too much of a hassle to tinker with the ToS to satisfy some of the concerns laid out here.
Right on.
That said, what specifically do you see happening with your content under these terms that is making you so distrustful of them?
So, a couple of things...

First, this has never been about me or my content. My concerns are broad and inclusive. This is about everyone's content in an established online community dating back 20+ years.

To further clarify, I stand behind everything in this post, and all of my other posts on the subject "Forum Issues..." I've tried my best to remain well-reasoned and civil. If you (or anyone) feels differently, by all means call me out.
If you're concerned, please lay out the worst-case scenario for your content.
Again, have I been unclear, ambiguous, or inconsistent? Has anyone who's addressed similar concerns? I don't wish to waste anyone's time rehashing what's already been said. I'm much more interested in what others (in particular folks with legal backgrounds) may have to say on this.
Are you worried it could be used for in-house advertising under these terms?
I'm not sure I understand the term "in-house advertising" -- for purposes of promoting aB to another of Edward's holdings (i.e. UrbanToronto)? Please explain.

I did find @Arlington post yesterday of interest. I'm surprised no one's commented on it.
 

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