South Boston Infill and Small Developments

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We can disagree on the power and place of unions, and i don't want to get into anything with you and riff, but lets agree that we don't really see many of these

I agree.......I also believe Police Officers, Firemen, Teachers and certain city workers deserve alot of credit since all of them have tough jobs and deserve a substantial retirement package
 
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Minus the last 6 words..... I'm right on board with you.
 
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Riff - the last statement is true -- however:

Could the private sector ever file a lawsuit against the city & state officials for diverting public taxpayers funds to certain part of the city so they can redevelop for special interest groups? Which could cause or force other private sector companies into bankruptcy.
 
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Could the private sector ever file a lawsuit against the city & state officials for diverting public taxpayers funds to certain part of the city so they can redevelop for special interest groups? Which could cause or force other private sector companies into bankruptcy.

Generally, no. Taxpayer standing has essentially been neutered at the Federal and State level, and while it still exists for municipal taxpayers, the evidentiary burden of proving "particularized harm" is pretty onerous (especially when you start talking about particularized harm in major cities as opposed to a small town/village).
 
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I try to stay out of these off-topic discussions but police and fire already get way too much imo. Everytime I see a cop on a detail where they're not doing SHIT I can't help but think they are stealing money from me. Its ludacris that they still work those things instead of cheap flag wavers. And firemen work 2 or 3 days a week and half the time their chilling in the firehouse. Their jobs are no more dangerous than what I do or other professions and I don't receive a pension. Those professions are both glorified to way too high a degree. I think there should be plenty of support for ptsd and things like that but alot don't deserve what they get paid.
 
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Could the private sector ever file a lawsuit against the city & state officials for diverting public taxpayers funds to certain part of the city so they can redevelop for special interest groups? Which could cause or force other private sector companies into bankruptcy.

A tax credit is not a diversion of taxpayer funds; it represents revenue foregone, not revenue received. The tax structure, at all levels of government, is replete with such credits, or deductions, or abatements, and every taxpayer receives the benefits of such. The courts are not going to arbitrate whether such benefits (the reduction in taxes owed) are equitably and fairly distributed to all; a renter can't successfully challenge a homeowner's deduction of mortgage interest.
 
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State Street Corp. to get tax break for waterfront building


Boston officials will give State Street Corp. $11.5 million in tax cuts to construct a new office building on the South Boston waterfront, part of the city’s effort to transform the once shabby industrial neighborhood into a thriving district of new homes, businesses, and retail stores.

The tax deal announced today will help finance construction of an 11-story office building for State Street at the Channel Center complex off A Street. The $11.5 million tax break, which still needs approval from the Boston Redevelopment Authority, will be spread over 15 years.

Among the city’s largest financial services employers, State Street is the latest of several companies to win a tax break for new offices on the waterfront. Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc. received more $21.8 million in city and state tax incentives for a pair of large office buildings nearby at Fan Pier.

Such tax deals are often controversial, as the companies receiving them are often profitable. State Street, for example, reported net income of $1.92 billion in 2011 and paid its chief executive, Joseph Hooley, total compensation of $16 million, according to government filings.

But city officials say the tax breaks are necessary to spur investment in the neighborhood. In 2008, investment bank JP Morgan Chase & Co. received a $4 million break to move to the waterfront.

The tax concessions for State Street will reduce its tax bill by about 20 percent, but the company will still pay $43.4 million in new taxes over the 15-year period and create 1,200 construction jobs.

“State Street Bank & Trust Co is Boston’s seventh largest employer and keeping this economic giant in the city not only ensures that we are retaining jobs, but is a key to attracting new jobs and creating an economically successful and vibrant city,” Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino said in a statement.

State Street could not be reached immediately for comment. The company has thousands of employees in Boston and already occupies some of its most prominent commercial buildings.

Channel Center’s developer, Commonwealth Ventures, filed detailed plans for the office building last month, but State Street was not formally revealed as the tenant until today. The project will also include construction of a parking garage and public parks next to the new building. Commonwealth has also signed on a new development partner, Area Property Partners of New York, for the project.

The developer has already renovated former Boston Wharf Co. warehouses at the Channel Center into more than 200 residential units, restaurants, stores, and offices. The development of a large new office building for State Street is a major boost for the complex and for the wider area, which has been renamed the Innovation District by Menino.

The district has attracted scores of new businesses in the past two years, and continues to generate interest from a broad range of companies that want to relocate there. State Street will join Fidelity Investments and Manulife Financial as major financial companies on the waterfront, which also has attracted a range of technology and communications businesses.

A new building for State Street would add considerable momentum to the office construction market in Boston, which all but died out during the recent economic downturn.

State Street currently occupies office space in prominent commercial buildings across Boston and has several leases expiring in 2014. The company has offices at Copley Place, the Prudential Building, and the John Hancock Tower in the Back Bay; it also has offices at Lafayette Corporate Center in the Financial District. Its lease at its namesake headquarters building at One Lincoln Street expires in 2023.

Commonwealth Ventures purchased Channel Center in 2007 from Beacon Capital Partners for $21.5 million. Beacon had previously redeveloped about 30 percent of the property, but the firm abandoned the effort when the area’s recovery proved slower than expected.

In recent years, the Fort Point area around Channel Center has seen steady redevelopment of its turn-of-the-century warehouse buildings, which have been converted into mixed-use properties with residences, boutique retail shops, and restaurants.

Casey Ross can be reached at cross@globe.com.
 
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State Street Corp. to get tax break for waterfront building


Boston officials will give State Street Corp. $11.5 million in tax cuts to construct a new office building on the South Boston waterfront, part of the city’s effort to transform the once shabby industrial neighborhood into a thriving district of new homes, businesses, and retail stores.

The tax deal announced today will help finance construction of an 11-story office building for State Street at the Channel Center complex off A Street. The $11.5 million tax break, which still needs approval from the Boston Redevelopment Authority, will be spread over 15 years.

Among the city’s largest financial services employers, State Street is the latest of several companies to win a tax break for new offices on the waterfront. Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc. received more $21.8 million in city and state tax incentives for a pair of large office buildings nearby at Fan Pier.

Such tax deals are often controversial, as the companies receiving them are often profitable. State Street, for example, reported net income of $1.92 billion in 2011 and paid its chief executive, Joseph Hooley, total compensation of $16 million, according to government filings.

But city officials say the tax breaks are necessary to spur investment in the neighborhood. In 2008, investment bank JP Morgan Chase & Co. received a $4 million break to move to the waterfront.

The tax concessions for State Street will reduce its tax bill by about 20 percent, but the company will still pay $43.4 million in new taxes over the 15-year period and create 1,200 construction jobs.

“State Street Bank & Trust Co is Boston’s seventh largest employer and keeping this economic giant in the city not only ensures that we are retaining jobs, but is a key to attracting new jobs and creating an economically successful and vibrant city,” Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino said in a statement.

State Street could not be reached immediately for comment. The company has thousands of employees in Boston and already occupies some of its most prominent commercial buildings.

Channel Center’s developer, Commonwealth Ventures, filed detailed plans for the office building last month, but State Street was not formally revealed as the tenant until today. The project will also include construction of a parking garage and public parks next to the new building. Commonwealth has also signed on a new development partner, Area Property Partners of New York, for the project.

The developer has already renovated former Boston Wharf Co. warehouses at the Channel Center into more than 200 residential units, restaurants, stores, and offices. The development of a large new office building for State Street is a major boost for the complex and for the wider area, which has been renamed the Innovation District by Menino.

The district has attracted scores of new businesses in the past two years, and continues to generate interest from a broad range of companies that want to relocate there. State Street will join Fidelity Investments and Manulife Financial as major financial companies on the waterfront, which also has attracted a range of technology and communications businesses.

A new building for State Street would add considerable momentum to the office construction market in Boston, which all but died out during the recent economic downturn.

State Street currently occupies office space in prominent commercial buildings across Boston and has several leases expiring in 2014. The company has offices at Copley Place, the Prudential Building, and the John Hancock Tower in the Back Bay; it also has offices at Lafayette Corporate Center in the Financial District. Its lease at its namesake headquarters building at One Lincoln Street expires in 2023.

Commonwealth Ventures purchased Channel Center in 2007 from Beacon Capital Partners for $21.5 million. Beacon had previously redeveloped about 30 percent of the property, but the firm abandoned the effort when the area’s recovery proved slower than expected.

In recent years, the Fort Point area around Channel Center has seen steady redevelopment of its turn-of-the-century warehouse buildings, which have been converted into mixed-use properties with residences, boutique retail shops, and restaurants.

Casey Ross can be reached at cross@globe.com.

Please provide a link to these articles.
 
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No, State Street, no need to thank me. It's my pleasure to give you tax breaks so you can build your new office tower. No, please, go right ahead.
 
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When writing these articles, the writer understands where the building is right, and that it in no way is "on the waterfront". Did they say the State Street tower would be on the waterfront 20 years ago? They are about the same distance from the water...
 
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They've also referred to it as a tower...guess that's just journalism
 
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I try to stay out of these off-topic discussions but police and fire already get way too much imo. Everytime I see a cop on a detail where they're not doing SHIT I can't help but think they are stealing money from me. Its ludacris that they still work those things instead of cheap flag wavers. And firemen work 2 or 3 days a week and half the time their chilling in the firehouse. Their jobs are no more dangerous than what I do or other professions and I don't receive a pension. Those professions are both glorified to way too high a degree. I think there should be plenty of support for ptsd and things like that but alot don't deserve what they get paid.

On prevailing wage jobs flagmen get paid more than cops. There's a bizarre myth that flagmen would be a great way to save money, but for the most part it's not true.

Out of curiousity, what do you do that is as dangerous as being a cop or fireman?
 
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I try to stay out of these off-topic discussions but police and fire already get way too much imo. Everytime I see a cop on a detail where they're not doing SHIT I can't help but think they are stealing money from me. Its ludacris that they still work those things instead of cheap flag wavers. And firemen work 2 or 3 days a week and half the time their chilling in the firehouse. Their jobs are no more dangerous than what I do or other professions and I don't receive a pension. Those professions are both glorified to way too high a degree. I think there should be plenty of support for ptsd and things like that but alot don't deserve what they get paid.

Normally I don't respond to posts that are about a month old and off-topic but having worked as an EMT I feel the need to respond. This kind of attitude pisses me off. You see cops on details but forget there's a reason they have GUNS and BODY ARMOR! You don't see them when they're chasing down someone who could and wants to kill them. And those firefighters working only 2-3 days a week? They do a hell of a lot more than chill in the firehouse half the time. Car accidents, medical calls, and the list goes on. Doing that for 24 hours straight is hell. And let's not forget that they run in when everyone else is running out. Do you have to worry about possibly not coming home after work?

These jobs ruin both body and mind. Many don't even make it the 32 years it takes to collect a pension. You think they haven't earned it? Take the fucking test, go through the academy, and let's see how you feel afterward.
 
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Normally I don't respond to posts that are about a month old and off-topic but having worked as an EMT I feel the need to respond. This kind of attitude pisses me off. You see cops on details but forget there's a reason they have GUNS and BODY ARMOR! You don't see them when they're chasing down someone who could and wants to kill them. And those firefighters working only 2-3 days a week? They do a hell of a lot more than chill in the firehouse half the time. Car accidents, medical calls, and the list goes on. Doing that for 24 hours straight is hell. And let's not forget that they run in when everyone else is running out. Do you have to worry about possibly not coming home after work?

These jobs ruin both body and mind. Many don't even make it the 32 years it takes to collect a pension. You think they haven't earned it? Take the fucking test, go through the academy, and let's see how you feel afterward.

I personally know a couple firefighters that get off a 2424time hr shift and then come to work for me. It can't be that bad if they can do that.
 
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Meh. People always get so mad because they know what it's like, or they know someone who knows what it's like.
Good for you.
It's the job you chose.
And thank you for either protecting or saving us.
Does not change that some (many) people are overpaid, rip off the system, etc. etc. etc. many other etc's.
Good night.
 
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I personally know a couple firefighters that get off a 2424time hr shift and then come to work for me. It can't be that bad if they can do that.

You do what you have to. Just because they can doesn't make it any less difficult.
 
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State Street gets OK’d for $11.5M tax break
By Greg Turner
Friday, July 13, 2012 - Updated 8 hours ago

The Boston Redevelopment Authority backed a controversial $11.5 million tax break that will bring banking behemoth State Street Corp. to a new office building in South Boston.

The BRA board voted unanimously yesterday over 11th-hour objections from residents, who ripped the Menino administration’s decision to give such a handsome handout to the company, which will consolidate 4,000 workers in the 11-story One Channel Center. State Street will keep its headquarters tower on Lincoln Street in downtown Boston.

“The building itself seems fine, but it’s the tax break I’m opposed to,” said Boston resident Steve Wintermeier.

Bethany Renner, a research analyst at SEIU, a union for workers who clean downtown Boston office buildings, questioned the appropriateness of the 15-year tax deal, “given the company’s financial position” and recent layoffs.

The $225 million project will put a capstone on Channel Center, the sprawling circa-1880s warehouse complex that’s been converted to condos, offices and artist studios.

“The project, we believe, will generate enormous amounts of economic development activity in the area virtually immediately,” said Richard Galvin, president of owner Commonwealth Ventures. “This is truly a shovel-ready project.”

Construction will start in mid-August and last two years. The project includes a 970-space parking garage, two parks and a new street connecting Gillette headquarters to the Bypass Road, a key truck route.

More wasted money on companies that should probably be bankrupt.

Just make sure the downtown businesses which have a 16% Vacancy that they continue make those BID payments so we can continue to give taxbreaks for my friends who bought all the land in the Seaport District. THE MAYOR IS A HYPOCRITE and CORRUPT FOOL. This is why the entire Seaport Development will be the biggest pump & dump in development history.

Don't worry as Richard Galvin claims this creates jobs. Not really you fucking moron its just enriching your fat pockets on the backs of the hardworking taxpayers. Maybe Mr. Galvin should have lowered his rents to entice State Street to move to this area.


http://news.bostonherald.com/busine...kd_for_115m_tax_break/srvc=home&position=also
 
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I don't know, I guess I just see this differently! The city makes an investment of $11.5 million spread out over 15 years ($766,000 plus change) to gain a $225 million investment in the city! State Street still pays $46 million ($2.88 million per year) in property taxes over 15 years plus the city gains jobs created, new businesses in the neighborhood that are created or expanded, the new workers, visitors, residents now spending money in the neighborhood, etc...all paying a variety of taxes.
 

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