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As far as I can tell there was never a streetcar route operating the section of the 109 between Harvard and Union Sq, that has always been a bus route since it was created in the early 1920s. I'm not actually sure why though, it doesn't seem especially hilly or narrow.
 
For whatever reason, the crosstown lines (predecessors of the modern 47 and 91) went through Central rather than Harvard. Harvard didn't have any crosstown service until the bus era.
 
Green Line Extension to Nubian Square
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I have to imagine any such line would put the portal in the location reserved for SL Phase 3, not under Eliot Norton park. That avoids any crazy turns like that.
 
Definitely a much needed infill line through the South End.

Pardon the ignorance, where's the portal for SL3? Wasn't aware there was anything in that area except for the old Pleasant St incline.
 
I have to imagine any such line would put the portal in the location reserved for SL Phase 3, not under Eliot Norton park. That avoids any crazy turns like that.
This is the exact alignment I was thinking of when I started working on the map in 2021 (image also includes a Green Line branch to South Station and the Seaport). The portal would be south of the Mass Pike, not under Eliot Norton Park.
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Does anyone know where to find the study done on both the Washington St at grade LRV line and also the Shawmut Ave orange line tunnel? I believe these were done around the same time just before the EL came down.
 
Pardon the ignorance, where's the portal for SL3? Wasn't aware there was anything in that area except for the old Pleasant St incline.
The traffic island on Tremont @ Marginal. They'd have redone the intersection so the buses portaled up in the middle of the road. The SL III tunnel was actually going to come down Charles St. South in the last plan before the plug got pulled. Underpinning the Tremont trolley tunnel was a cost blowout so that alignment got scrapped pretty early on.
Oof, that hairpin after Tufts makes my ears ring.
It's easier tunneling than going straight down Shawmut because the new underground Tufts Station wouldn't be as constrained (don't forget, the old portal was 4 tracks so if you ever wanted to have multiple branches here you'd ideally want to build Tufts as a twin-island station) and you have a more favorable angle for underpinning the Orange Line. Plus that intersection of Tremont/Marginal sets up a future multi-directional junction if you relocated the E Line off Copley Jct. with a Back Bay Station + Marginal subway. You'd be able to use the quad-track, flying-junction Tremont tunnel to avoid the traffic conflicts of Copley Jct. and be able to thru-route Huntington service to South Station and the Seaport, which is big if you ever build out the Huntington Subway to Brookline Village as a Central Subway alt-spine. That junction features a lot in various Green Line Reconfiguration crayon maps.
 
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Definitely a much needed infill line through the South End.

Pardon the ignorance, where's the portal for SL3? Wasn't aware there was anything in that area except for the old Pleasant St incline.
The parcel between Tufts and the Doubletree was originally going to be the portal where buses would turn out onto Washington Street.
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The upside is that it's very easy. There's a clear, straight path for an incline and it puts you out right on Washington Street. The downside are that there isn't room for an underground Tufts Station, so you need a surface station between the portal and Oak Street, which results in a less-than-optimal transfer to the Orange Line. It's possible that downside could be mitigated through an underground passage connecting to the south fare lobby at Tufts, but I'm not sure.

You also lose the option of having a transfer station to a future E branch realignment here but with transfers at Park/DTX and Back Bay I don't think that's a huge downside.

Does anyone know where to find the study done on both the Washington St at grade LRV line and also the Shawmut Ave orange line tunnel? I believe these were done around the same time just before the EL came down.
I'm not aware of any such studies that have been publicly released. I don't know how far the original light rail proposal got in planning, but it's my understanding that the Shawmut Ave subway never really got very far, with the SW Corridor being preferred from very early on in the planning process.
 
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I'm not aware of any such studies that have been publicly released. I don't know how far the original light rail proposal got in planning, but it's my understanding that the Shawmut Ave subway never really got very far, with the SW Corridor being preferred from very early on in the planning process.
I think what I’m remembering, at least for the light rail option, is this: United States Department of Transportation/Urban Mass Transportation Administration. Replacement/Transit Improvement Study: Alternatives Analysis and Draft Environmental Impact Statement Evaluation, Draft June 1987

I believe this was the impetus for the BRT decision. They identified issues with the street width and, construction concerns from abutters, and, of course, cost. I can’t find the actual report, though.
 
Wasn't there also a study by the MBTA in the 1970s for a Green Line tunnel under Washington Street to Nubian (then Dudley) Square? I remember someone posting a link to the study on this site in the past 3 or 4 years. I'll look and see if I can find it.
 
Wasn't there also a study by the MBTA in the 1970s for a Green Line tunnel under Washington Street to Nubian (then Dudley) Square? I remember someone posting a link to the study on this site in the past 3 or 4 years. I'll look and see if I can find it.
1972 Boston Transportation Planning Review. The complete study isn't available online, only the Executive Summary. Which is weird that it hasn't been scanned out of the State Transportation Library yet because it was a major big-deal comprehensive planning study that influenced immediate action on the SW Corridor redesign post- I-95 cancellation, the Red Line northwest extension, and the Big Dig.

I don't believe it was ever studied back then as a complete-to-Dudley tunnel. They were always looking at it as a streetcar line, and I believe the lone screenshot I ever saw of it extended the Tremont tunnel down Shawmut to a portal along Marginal with no intermediate station.
 
Green Line Extension to Mystic Valley Parkway
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This expansion would be the simplest and cheapest of all potential rapid transit extensions. It's disappointing that there are no serious plans to build it and finish the Green Line Extension.
 
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