Logan Flight Additions

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Not Logan, but Norwegian is exiting Providence next month.
Providence has had an awful year so far due to the 737 Max grounding. Flight pax is down roughly 11% year to date with this time last year. Southwest has dropped flight pax by almost 15%, Norwegian has exited on Shannon, Dublin and Cork ... and UA and AA are both down about 20% each.

Hopefully 2020 PVD will see a resurgence.
 

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Providence has had an awful year so far due to the 737 Max grounding. Flight pax is down roughly 11% year to date with this time last year. Southwest has dropped flight pax by almost 15%, Norwegian has exited on Shannon, Dublin and Cork ... and UA and AA are both down about 20% each.

Hopefully 2020 PVD will see a resurgence.
Seems like PVD is in a death spiral much like Manchester. After multiple failures to maintain new routes due to low interest, at some point airlines aren't going to bother anymore. Less and less flights turns into less and less business in an ever downward trend. I image they'll always be a market for a quick flight to Florida but it might take Logan reaching capacity before TF Green benefits from a spillover effect. Does PVD have a robust shuttle business to New York?
 

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Seems like PVD is in a death spiral much like Manchester. After multiple failures to maintain new routes due to low interest, at some point airlines aren't going to bother anymore. Less and less flights turns into less and less business in an ever downward trend. I image they'll always be a market for a quick flight to Florida but it might take Logan reaching capacity before TF Green benefits from a spillover effect. Does PVD have a robust shuttle business to New York?
I wouldn't say Providence is on a downward trend on the level of Manchester - Providence has its own distinct metro area and business community to draw from, something that Manchester lacks. T.F. Green's passengers numbers are on the upward swing. While they're a ways off from the 2005 peak, they have seen increases in 2016, 2017 and 2018.

I am guessing Delta and American feel the distance between Providence and NYC is too close to make air travel attractive, much like the lack of flights from Hartford to NYC. Providence does have multiple daily, year round flights to Newark, Philadelphia, Washington Dulles, Charlotte, Chicago O'Hare, Detroit and Atlanta. So the legacies can easily connect Providence traffic over their main hubs.
 

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If you want to see plane fetishism at its best look at some of the airliner discussions on planes, liveries, tails etc.

I personally care more about having more non-stop/1-stop options personally. I always thought Istanbul, Hong Kong, Doha and Dubai were the best additions for Logan since those flights have made a lot of 2-stops itineraries 1-stop.

Delta has announced new flights from Boston:

- New route - London Gatwick to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily
- New route - Manchester to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily (replacing Virgin Atlantic)


Now (so far) .. Delta will have the following TATL routes on their own Metal:
-2x Amsterdam
-1x Paris
-1x London-LHR
-1x London-LGW
-1x Manchester
-1x Lisbon (Seasonal)
-1x Dublin (Seasonal)
-1x Edinburgh (seasonal)

Looks like the only ones they are missing are Glasgow for the British Isles, and future additions could possibly include places like Brussels, Frankfurt, Madrid, Rome, Milan, etc.
NYC is one thing but I really cannot see Delta doing both Glasgow and Edinburgh from Boston - they are so close to each other.

Gatwick and Manchester could both be seasonal - we will find out tomorrow for sure when the press release comes out. I've read on airliners that Manchester probably will be 757 with Delta One lie-flats.

I wonder if Madrid is in the cards for either Delta or return of Air Europa since Norwegian has not loaded Boston-Madrid for S2020 yet.

Hopefully if Norwegian is not doing Madrid - they will launch Athens instead.
 

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Delta has announced new flights from Boston:

- New route - London Gatwick to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily
- New route - Manchester to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily (replacing Virgin Atlantic)


Now (so far) .. Delta will have the following TATL routes on their own Metal:
-2x Amsterdam
-1x Paris
-1x London-LHR
-1x London-LGW
-1x Manchester
-1x Lisbon (Seasonal)
-1x Dublin (Seasonal)
-1x Edinburgh (seasonal)

Looks like the only ones they are missing are Glasgow for the British Isles, and future additions could possibly include places like Brussels, Frankfurt, Madrid, Rome, Milan, etc.
If you're doing Edinburgh, you really don't need Glasgow... Edinburgh to Glasgow is 45 minutes by train with service around ever 4-7 minutes... Very well connected cities. And especially since neither EDI nor GLA offer any real connecting flights that would be more convienient than Amsterdam or Paris... What would be sensible is maybe to do Newcastle and Glasgow, Newcastle being vaguely midway between Edinburgh and Manchester for a true UK coverage. Newcastle already does a bunch of KLM/Airfrance flights...

Of course with upcoming Brexit no one wants to do anything in the British isles really right now
 

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I wouldn't say Providence is on a downward trend on the level of Manchester - Providence has its own distinct metro area and business community to draw from, something that Manchester lacks. T.F. Green's passengers numbers are on the upward swing. While they're a ways off from the 2005 peak, they have seen increases in 2016, 2017 and 2018.
Norwegian leaving PVD is much more a Norwegian issue (they've been cutting back routes for a long time since there rapid expansion a few years back), and a 737 Max issue (these satellite city/small airport routes were established specifically for that aircraft). It's cutting all Ireland service to/from North America. Not just PVD.
 

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Southwest is trimming Boston in a pretty big way. As of January, service to Milwaukee, Kansas City and Atlanta are cut permanently. Service to Houston Hobby is cut down to Saturday only. They're also making Dallas Love flights seasonal - they're doing this with a number of other cities to Dallas Love. Cleveland, Charleston, Portland, Philadelphia, Seattle, Orange County and Detroit are also getting the same cuts to Dallas as Boston is. They're completely cutting Dallas service from Oklahoma City, San Francisco and Jacksonville.
 

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Southwest is trimming Boston in a pretty big way. As of January, service to Milwaukee, Kansas City and Atlanta are cut permanently. Service to Houston Hobby is cut down to Saturday only. They're also making Dallas Love flights seasonal - they're doing this with a number of other cities to Dallas Love. Cleveland, Charleston, Portland, Philadelphia, Seattle, Orange County and Detroit are also getting the same cuts to Dallas as Boston is. They're completely cutting Dallas service from Oklahoma City, San Francisco and Jacksonville.
I wonder if this has anything to do with uncertainties with the 737 max returning to service.

Anyway, I'd love for them to refocus on MHT and PVD instead of growing at BOS.
 

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I wonder if this has anything to do with uncertainties with the 737 max returning to service.

Anyway, I'd love for them to refocus on MHT and PVD instead of growing at BOS.
I think Southwest's struggles are mostly centered around the 737 Max. But they've been pulling hard out of destinations left and right recently. We'll see how things change going forward after the Max reenters service.

I'm not too worried about PVD (I'm a little worried about MHT), I think it'll be fine. Especially with fuel efficient aircraft like the a220 making long/lean routes more feasible. PVD will likely benefit from that.
 

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I wonder if this has anything to do with uncertainties with the 737 max returning to service.
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I've been flying between ATL and BOS for 15 years, beginning with Air Tran which had great service between the two cities until SW bought em out, then the non stops were cut down to just a few daily with the others being one stops, usually at BWI. Once Jet Blue (a happy day!) entered the market a few years back it got worse for SW! I think, Jet Blue (and Delta with their almost hourly flights and loyalty program) was just too much for SW in terms of pricing and flights, on this route anyway.
 
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Is this Manchester flight Seasonal or Year Round? It says replacing Virgin's seasonal flight to Manchester.. but it makes no indication of seasonal. however, im hearing rumors it is seasonal. Can anyone confirm this will be Year Round?
 

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Is this Manchester flight Seasonal or Year Round? It says replacing Virgin's seasonal flight to Manchester.. but it makes no indication of seasonal. however, im hearing rumors it is seasonal. Can anyone confirm this will be Year Round?
Delta, in it's announcement states that "Delta will return to Manchester with new peak-summer season from Boston effective May 21st, 2020". I read that as seasonal service.
 

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Regarding Southwest cutting service between Kansas City and Boston permanently, starting in January, I could schedule a flight in February using their website, although, I didn’t make a purchase. I did notice that it appears that non-stop flights have been eliminated.
 

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Regarding Southwest cutting service between Kansas City and Boston permanently, starting in January, I could schedule a flight in February using their website, although, I didn’t make a purchase. I did notice that it appears that non-stop flights have been eliminated.
I'd trade a SW flight to anywhere for a Delta to Edinburgh or Manchester any time and anyway -- Nothing against Kansas City where I understand that "Everything is up-to-date in Kansas City" [at lest according to Rogers and Hammerstein]
 

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https://news.delta.com/delta-virgin-atlantic-boost-summer-flying-between-us-and-uk-2020

Delta's official announcement of it's new UK flights out of Logan.
By the way -- Delta has officially dubbed Logan as one of its Transatlantic Coastal Hubs along with JFK
https://news.delta.com/delta-virgin-atlantic-boost-summer-flying-between-us-and-uk-2020
Delta introduces its first daylight trans-Atlantic flight, and airlines join forces at London’s Gatwick Airport for first time.
Three new flights will see Delta increase capacity between the U.S. and U.K. by 15 percent
New 767-400 and A350 aircraft flying on key JFK, Boston and Los Angeles routes
Delta is boosting its transatlantic schedule between London-Heathrow and its coastal hubs in Boston and New York-JFK next summer, adding 15 percent capacity compared to 2019. Alongside joint venture partner Virgin Atlantic, the two airlines will increase capacity across the Atlantic by nearly 10,000 seats per week compared to this year, offering customers unrivalled customer experience and more choice than ever before.

“Delta and its partners offer an unmatched global network that's capable of taking Boston and New York customers to more worldwide destinations than ever before," said Joe Esposito, Delta’s Senior Vice President – Network Planning. “Our investment at these airports and in these communities continues to deepen as we grow our flight offerings and live up to our commitment to connect the world better than any other airline.”

......Delta at JFK and Boston

Delta has grown its presence in New York City by over 65 percent in the last 10 years....

Delta is Boston’s No. 1 global carrier, with the airline and its partners offering the most international seats from Logan International with flights to up to 18 international destinations, including new Delta-operated seasonal service to Lisbon and Edinburgh, an additional Amsterdam flight by partner KLM, a daytime London-Heathrow flight operated by partner Virgin Atlantic, and new nonstop Seoul-Incheon service operated by partner Korean Air all added earlier this year.
 

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I'd trade a SW flight to anywhere for a Delta to Edinburgh or Manchester any time and anyway -- Nothing against Kansas City where I understand that "Everything is up-to-date in Kansas City" [at lest according to Rogers and Hammerstein]
But the traffic between KC and Boston is at least 8-10 times greater than Boston - Edinburgh.
 

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