Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Where is this prestige stored, nurtured and measured? And how would any particular nonstop add measurably?
 
Arlington said:
It is official: this thread has a widebody-and-longer fetish to go with the height fetish in the skyline threads.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But I do feel isolated when I revel in the joys of a new nonstop to Rochester, or a nicely redone residential-over-retail.
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Really, these guys are having an intelligent conversation about non-stop flights to distant cities, and the reasons why it's really not doable. I don't see any 'fetish' in that, which in this connotation, seems like such a negative jab at the posters. I'm a big fan of Logan, of Boston, of MA in general, and when I see news about non-stop flights to cities previously un-served by Logan, I'm actually proud. Is it a fetish? Who knows, but no more than certain Red Sox fans, or dudes that love certain craft beets, or whatever. This is a thread for Logan flight additions, after all, if one can't get a point of pride here, carry on a conversation with the topic that one has an interest in, without shade thrown at them, well then, what's the point of even posting? That goes for this whole archBoston as well. If certain guys love height, what of it? Read it and move on, roll your eyes, whatever, and if you have a push back, at least make it civil, without insults.
 
mass88 said:
We're never going to see Qantas serving Boston. Plenty of convenient one-stop options on American via Dallas/Ft. Worth (a tiny local market to Australia, but given the large American hub here, it makes sense), Los Angeles and soon Chicago O'Hare which is getting non-stop flights to Brisbane in April 2020. Apart from New York (which is supposedly getting non-stop flights to Australia in 2021) I can't see Qantas doing one-stop service to any other US destination.

While Massport wants them, I cannot see Air India adding service to Boston. Plenty of convenient one-stop connections via Dubai on Emirates, or Doha on Qatar. Boston isn't New York or San Francisco in terms of market size and we also don't have a Star Alliance carrier in Boston to help feed the flights like Newark and San Francisco do. Qatar offers one-stop connections to 13 cities in India. Emirates offers one-stop connections to 10 cities in India.

Boston to Singapore would be the second longest non-stop flight in the world, just slightly shorter than Newark to Singapore which Singapore Airlines flies with a premium heavy configured A350. It would be nice, but it's another route I cannot see happen given the sheer distance and cost to operate such a flight.

I do agree with Ty that Air India is the most likely to happen.
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I've flown multiple times over the last few years to both Singapore and Sydney.

Both of the last two times to Sydney, I've used the Boston-DFW-Sydney route, and it's quite nice. I much prefer it to the Los Angeles connection, which I did 3 years ago. The DFW to Sydney is a LONG flight, though. I can't imagine Boston having enough business to have a direct flight. Starting out the journey with a relatively short flight to Dallas was not bad at all.

For Singapore, I've always done Boston-Hong Kong-Singapore. The Boston to Hong Kong is quite nice and you arrive in the same time-zone as Singapore. Then I think it was a relatively short 4 hours down to Singapore.

For me, the two connecting cities of Dallas or Hong Kong for those respective flights was not a negative.
 
Java King said:
For me, the two connecting cities of Dallas or Hong Kong for those respective flights was not a negative.
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I've never done HKG-SIN, but I've done DFW-SYD (in economy) and I agree. I actually agree with Whighlander's comments about BOS-FRA-India (MAA for me typically). It's a really easy connection.

Apart from the either the financial constraints (Indian air carriers), or the technical limits of aircraft range (Singapore, Australia), I think the ability to make fairly comfortable connections to these places all but ensures that they won't have direct Boston flights for some time.
 
One can also now do SYD-BOS with one stop in Hawaii on Hawaiian Airlines (on some days), all booked on one ticket. It's a lovely midpoint layover, though probably incompatible with some folks' loyalty program prefs.
 
Delta has announced new flights from Boston:

- New route - London Gatwick to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily
- New route - Manchester to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily (replacing Virgin Atlantic)


Now (so far) .. Delta will have the following TATL routes on their own Metal:
-2x Amsterdam
-1x Paris
-1x London-LHR
-1x London-LGW
-1x Manchester
-1x Lisbon (Seasonal)
-1x Dublin (Seasonal)
-1x Edinburgh (seasonal)

Looks like the only ones they are missing are Glasgow for the British Isles, and future additions could possibly include places like Brussels, Frankfurt, Madrid, Rome, Milan, etc.
 
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I'd be curious to see if Delta's SkyTeam partner Air Europa makes a return to Boston, at least on a seasonal basis, with non-stop service to Madrid. They lasted only one season in Boston, but now that Delta is building up Boston, it may be a better outcome.

It's going to be interesting if the Manchester flights work well year round. Currently at 3 weekly on an A332. Going daily and sending a smaller plane may improve the routes performance.
 
tysmith95 said:
Not Logan, but Norwegian is exiting Providence next month.
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Providence has had an awful year so far due to the 737 Max grounding. Flight pax is down roughly 11% year to date with this time last year. Southwest has dropped flight pax by almost 15%, Norwegian has exited on Shannon, Dublin and Cork ... and UA and AA are both down about 20% each.

Hopefully 2020 PVD will see a resurgence.
 
Massachoicetts said:
Providence has had an awful year so far due to the 737 Max grounding. Flight pax is down roughly 11% year to date with this time last year. Southwest has dropped flight pax by almost 15%, Norwegian has exited on Shannon, Dublin and Cork ... and UA and AA are both down about 20% each.

Hopefully 2020 PVD will see a resurgence.
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Seems like PVD is in a death spiral much like Manchester. After multiple failures to maintain new routes due to low interest, at some point airlines aren't going to bother anymore. Less and less flights turns into less and less business in an ever downward trend. I image they'll always be a market for a quick flight to Florida but it might take Logan reaching capacity before TF Green benefits from a spillover effect. Does PVD have a robust shuttle business to New York?
 
Rover said:
Seems like PVD is in a death spiral much like Manchester. After multiple failures to maintain new routes due to low interest, at some point airlines aren't going to bother anymore. Less and less flights turns into less and less business in an ever downward trend. I image they'll always be a market for a quick flight to Florida but it might take Logan reaching capacity before TF Green benefits from a spillover effect. Does PVD have a robust shuttle business to New York?
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I wouldn't say Providence is on a downward trend on the level of Manchester - Providence has its own distinct metro area and business community to draw from, something that Manchester lacks. T.F. Green's passengers numbers are on the upward swing. While they're a ways off from the 2005 peak, they have seen increases in 2016, 2017 and 2018.

I am guessing Delta and American feel the distance between Providence and NYC is too close to make air travel attractive, much like the lack of flights from Hartford to NYC. Providence does have multiple daily, year round flights to Newark, Philadelphia, Washington Dulles, Charlotte, Chicago O'Hare, Detroit and Atlanta. So the legacies can easily connect Providence traffic over their main hubs.
 
If you want to see plane fetishism at its best look at some of the airliner discussions on planes, liveries, tails etc.

I personally care more about having more non-stop/1-stop options personally. I always thought Istanbul, Hong Kong, Doha and Dubai were the best additions for Logan since those flights have made a lot of 2-stops itineraries 1-stop.

Massachoicetts said:
Delta has announced new flights from Boston:

- New route - London Gatwick to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily
- New route - Manchester to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily (replacing Virgin Atlantic)


Now (so far) .. Delta will have the following TATL routes on their own Metal:
-2x Amsterdam
-1x Paris
-1x London-LHR
-1x London-LGW
-1x Manchester
-1x Lisbon (Seasonal)
-1x Dublin (Seasonal)
-1x Edinburgh (seasonal)

Looks like the only ones they are missing are Glasgow for the British Isles, and future additions could possibly include places like Brussels, Frankfurt, Madrid, Rome, Milan, etc.
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NYC is one thing but I really cannot see Delta doing both Glasgow and Edinburgh from Boston - they are so close to each other.

Gatwick and Manchester could both be seasonal - we will find out tomorrow for sure when the press release comes out. I've read on airliners that Manchester probably will be 757 with Delta One lie-flats.

I wonder if Madrid is in the cards for either Delta or return of Air Europa since Norwegian has not loaded Boston-Madrid for S2020 yet.

Hopefully if Norwegian is not doing Madrid - they will launch Athens instead.
 
Massachoicetts said:
Delta has announced new flights from Boston:

- New route - London Gatwick to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily
- New route - Manchester to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily (replacing Virgin Atlantic)


Now (so far) .. Delta will have the following TATL routes on their own Metal:
-2x Amsterdam
-1x Paris
-1x London-LHR
-1x London-LGW
-1x Manchester
-1x Lisbon (Seasonal)
-1x Dublin (Seasonal)
-1x Edinburgh (seasonal)

Looks like the only ones they are missing are Glasgow for the British Isles, and future additions could possibly include places like Brussels, Frankfurt, Madrid, Rome, Milan, etc.
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If you're doing Edinburgh, you really don't need Glasgow... Edinburgh to Glasgow is 45 minutes by train with service around ever 4-7 minutes... Very well connected cities. And especially since neither EDI nor GLA offer any real connecting flights that would be more convienient than Amsterdam or Paris... What would be sensible is maybe to do Newcastle and Glasgow, Newcastle being vaguely midway between Edinburgh and Manchester for a true UK coverage. Newcastle already does a bunch of KLM/Airfrance flights...

Of course with upcoming Brexit no one wants to do anything in the British isles really right now
 
mass88 said:
I wouldn't say Providence is on a downward trend on the level of Manchester - Providence has its own distinct metro area and business community to draw from, something that Manchester lacks. T.F. Green's passengers numbers are on the upward swing. While they're a ways off from the 2005 peak, they have seen increases in 2016, 2017 and 2018.
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Norwegian leaving PVD is much more a Norwegian issue (they've been cutting back routes for a long time since there rapid expansion a few years back), and a 737 Max issue (these satellite city/small airport routes were established specifically for that aircraft). It's cutting all Ireland service to/from North America. Not just PVD.
 
Southwest is trimming Boston in a pretty big way. As of January, service to Milwaukee, Kansas City and Atlanta are cut permanently. Service to Houston Hobby is cut down to Saturday only. They're also making Dallas Love flights seasonal - they're doing this with a number of other cities to Dallas Love. Cleveland, Charleston, Portland, Philadelphia, Seattle, Orange County and Detroit are also getting the same cuts to Dallas as Boston is. They're completely cutting Dallas service from Oklahoma City, San Francisco and Jacksonville.
 
mass88 said:
Southwest is trimming Boston in a pretty big way. As of January, service to Milwaukee, Kansas City and Atlanta are cut permanently. Service to Houston Hobby is cut down to Saturday only. They're also making Dallas Love flights seasonal - they're doing this with a number of other cities to Dallas Love. Cleveland, Charleston, Portland, Philadelphia, Seattle, Orange County and Detroit are also getting the same cuts to Dallas as Boston is. They're completely cutting Dallas service from Oklahoma City, San Francisco and Jacksonville.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with uncertainties with the 737 max returning to service.

Anyway, I'd love for them to refocus on MHT and PVD instead of growing at BOS.
 
tysmith95 said:
I wonder if this has anything to do with uncertainties with the 737 max returning to service.

Anyway, I'd love for them to refocus on MHT and PVD instead of growing at BOS.
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I think Southwest's struggles are mostly centered around the 737 Max. But they've been pulling hard out of destinations left and right recently. We'll see how things change going forward after the Max reenters service.

I'm not too worried about PVD (I'm a little worried about MHT), I think it'll be fine. Especially with fuel efficient aircraft like the a220 making long/lean routes more feasible. PVD will likely benefit from that.
 
tysmith95 said:
I wonder if this has anything to do with uncertainties with the 737 max returning to service.
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I've been flying between ATL and BOS for 15 years, beginning with Air Tran which had great service between the two cities until SW bought em out, then the non stops were cut down to just a few daily with the others being one stops, usually at BWI. Once Jet Blue (a happy day!) entered the market a few years back it got worse for SW! I think, Jet Blue (and Delta with their almost hourly flights and loyalty program) was just too much for SW in terms of pricing and flights, on this route anyway.
 
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