115 Federal St. (Winthrop Square)

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This site is very close to DTX and it would be great if they could integrate the tower with its retail into DTX through Winthrop Sq.

I still don't get the "Town Green" thing. I guess we have to wait for the renderings.
 
I like it. It kind of matches the rest of Boston. I also kind of like how the spire comes all the way up the building. Somehow though, i doubt this will ever get built.
 
I can't help but feel I'm in some sort of Bizarro NIMBY Forum.

Most of the comments are negative, but all the articles seem positive. I however think it is premature to judge this building based on just the one rendering. There was a scale model shown on the news when they were interviewing Mark Maloney.

With the public use at the top and its change in the facade, my 1st impressions were that it looks like a modern version of the Pru. (assuming it is a square building).

Then they added the spire ........ I was thinking that this would be quite an attraction if this was used to accommodate an exterior elevator to the top. Would also keep the tourists (visiting to see the roof top garden) separate from the tenants using the building.

Just a thought.
 
Although I was hoping for a pointy or sloped roof, this garden high in the sky sounds really cool to me. The article says there are wind screens.. Does that mean glass barriers extending up from the edges? That would provide for some amazing views and would certainly generate buzz. People, I think, would like to visit something like this. To me that is what an icon is. Something prominent and unique. Something that people would like to visit. This building, from what I can glean from the short press releases, should accomplish this if it is well executed. Sure the design itself is ok, but the rendering is not that good either.
 
This is probably the most exciting private building project ever in Boston. It would change the face of the city and lead to other tall buildings. It has a lot of cool ideas. We all know there will be a few iterations, but for a first cut it's pretty good. The whole thing seems plausible given the money of SB, the adjacent site and the fact that the upper floors in Boston towers have something like a 3% vacancy rate. This thing probably will get built assuming the FAA doesn't come up with some screwy deal killer.
 
Looking at the rendering being widely circulated, the Boston skyline from the harbor suddenly looks strikingly similar to the lower Manhattan skyline prior to 9/11 (and likely after the Liberty Tower et al are built). The positioning of the "out of scale tall" tower (or towers in WTCs' case) offcenter to the west, the rectangular look, white, as well as the somewhat rounded point of land bulging out into the water. Then you have a gap and you have Back Bay/Midtown Manhattan (Hancock/Pru and Chrysler/ESB, etc). I know there is a huge difference in scale between NYC and Boston, but the immediate image is quite similar.

Not saying it is good, bad, or otherwise.
 
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No way!

I don't have to know anymore before deciding that I'm gonna sue!

Signed,

I. M. Angry
Financial District resident
 
statler said:
There is a place like this in NYC, the IBM building IIRC. It's pretty cool but doesn't have any draw. Hopefully this will draw people from the financial district through it into DTX.

I like it the more I see.
 
For comparison, here is Philly's Comcast Center, almost 1000' (haha, them Philadelphians will be so mad when we beat them out by 25' :D) . Its original design isn't even remotely similar to its current design. This goes to show that a major building like Winthrop Square can indeed go through a dramatic design change before being actually constructed. Can't say I'm a big fan of either the original or final versions of the CC though.

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Images from phillyskyline.com
 
I think it looks great...but street level integration with people is a must.
 
Tommy?s Tower: Just pie in the sky
By Scott Van Voorhis
Boston Herald Business Reporter
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - Updated: 12:56 AM EST


You?ve got to hand it to local business magnate Steve Belkin for coming up with probably the most bold proposal for a new downtown tower Boston has ever seen.

A 1,000-foot Renzo Piano masterpiece at the center of the Hub?s skyline. The cherry on top is a half-acre park in the sky at the very top of the proposed skyscraper.

Too bad it will never get built.

Yes, Belkin, a brilliantly successful entrepreneur is loaded, having created the Trans National credit card and travel empire. And, yes, he has the backing of Mayor Thomas M. Menino, who has been pushing this idea of a new centerpiece for Boston?s skyline to cap his own legacy.

But there?s a limit on what even one very wealthy man, backed by one of the nation?s most powerful mayors, can do. And Belkin, who has no major development experience, has bitten off much more than he can chew.

Here are five big reasons to hold off on plans for that picnic in the skies atop Tommy?s Tower:

# Skyrocketing construction costs are already wreaking havoc with big development proposals across the city, causing some builders to pull back. Executives close to the project envision construction prices cooling off. They?d better cool off a lot.

Some experts peg the cost of building a 75-story tower in downtown Boston at $1 billion or more, though those familiar with Belkin?s plans insist it would be much less.

# There?s a reason no other developers in a city rich with builders responded to the mayor?s call for a skyline-topping tower. A 1,000-foot tower requires something very basic to make it a success - thousands of office workers. And while Boston?s office market is finally on the mend, the city?s big employers, such as Fidelity Investments, have been expanding everywhere but here. Belkin?s plan relies on the expectation that the office market will hit its stride just as the tower opens in 2011.

# Boston?s height-hating activists have never seen a big project they can stand. Anything over 10 stories and watch out, here comes Big Apple North. This time the usual suspects will have a potentially powerful battering ram to take on Tommy?s Tower: a state law barring new shadows on nearby Boston Common.

# But who needs critics when you have Boston?s abysmal track record when it comes to pulling off grand projects like this one. The most obvious example is Fan Pier, the would-be waterfront neighborhood in South Boston that is now nearly 30 years in the making. The bigger the plan in Boston, the more fingers in the pie. And what should be a golden goose turns into an albatross.

# Last, but not least, greed. City Hall is head over heels for this tower plan, and it?s not just about the architecture. City officials control the crumbling downtown garage Belkin needs to build his tower. And along with a whopping tax bill, Belkin can expect to fork over some big bucks for this property. Expect any number of groups, from historic preservationists to community activists, to present their own bills. A million here, a million there, and pretty soon, there is nothing left.



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I hate to say it but what Scott said is true. God this is what I hate about Boston the most. The Government should just shut the activists up once in awhile. THe activists are just bored when they don't have anything to fight against so they would fight anything that comes to mind.
 
I don't see why he brought "historic preservationists" into the picture, as there are no historic buildings being demolished here.
 
Boston?s height-hating activists have never seen a big project they can stand.

He doesn't see any of his own reporting in this statement? It is the two major newspapers more than anything else that support the views of "height-hating activists" while ignoring the tax benefits to the city and how large projects can help solve our critical housing shortage.
 
Vanmegatowersoarhies an idiot? If he doesn't think the tower's getting built, who is anyone to quesion him?

But seriously, I took the advice to sleep on it and decide what I thought as well as form my own opinion without too much influence from the forum. And I have decided that I really like the initial rendering. It looks very much in place with the rest of downtown. And judging by the scale of the rendering, it does look closer to 1100 ft even without the spire. I wasn't sure what to think of the spire on the side. This morning I decided that it was awesome, because you it's going to serve some sort of purpose.

I am not the biggest fan of pointless spired buildings like most of the anti-box lovers in the Skyscrapercity forum. I prefer creative boxes. I am probably the biggest fan of the Pru. It's a box with a big anntenae on top... best of both worlds :) And the antenna actually serves a purpose too, unlike that ridiculuous and gratuitous spire on top of the NYT building. In architecture, everything should serve a purpose.

And finally, I think the rendering for 115 WSq looks a hell of a lot better than than NYT building. And you just know that there are going to be slight changes to the initial rendering anyway. Hopefully for the best.
 
VanWeasel's a muckraker. Take everything he writes with several grains of salt.
 
the only person who has even mentioned ...

The only person who has even mentioned the shadow issue is Van Voorhis - without any any any data to back up the claim. It's a solar impossibility that a shadow would fall on the common. It's pretty much the stupidest claim of the year, if not new millennium. It's just flat out WRONG.

And, no one has even said that they would be against the tower for "Manhattanization" reasons.

He's a glorified blogger, if you know what I mean.
 
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