[ARCHIVED] Harbor Garage Redevelopment | 70 East India Row | Waterfront | Downtown

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All this should have been in the "Project X" thread.

The whole thread should be in "Design a Better Boston". Parking garage is merely a proposal, one that was rejected. And the title of the thread says "Waterfront | Downtown" as if it is more than about just about this one defunct project.
 
I second moving this thread out, or closing altogether.

This thread is nothing but utter and complete deadlocking and stubbornness.
 
Fuck that------Don't read the thread then.

This is an actual parcel where something will be built and this is the most interesting development proposal I have seen on this website.
 
......this is the most interesting development proposal I have seen on this website.

Personally I find myself more interested in the major projects I think might actually be built within the next 5-6 years: 1 Dalton at CSC, Winthrop Square, Copley Place Tower, 1 Bromfield, and Congress St Garage Office Tower (Pelli). Shout outs to MT for raising the bar and SST if it really does finally get going.
 
I think this thread should remain, although we may want to rename it to "Rifle vs Stellar: Fight of the Century"
 
I think this thread should remain, although we may want to rename it to "Rifle vs Stellar: Fight of the Century"

Create this thread under the general thread Rifle vs Stellar: Fight of the Century. We will duke it out over there.

Keep us from posting on the main development board and keep the rants on garbage board along with so called Stellar actual facts.
 
I like this thread because nobody really knows whats going on with parcel and I love reading different people's speculations and explanations of what they think will happen.
 
Personally, I think Chiofaro is going to buy the entire waterfront, knock down the Harbor Towers, and install a Las Vegas style casino/themepark/resort with ground floor retail, permeable direct waterfront access, a new and improved aquarium, and most of the casino/hotels/rollercoasters will be ~500ft tall.
 
rollercoasters will be ~500ft tall.

Uhg first off you want me to deal with shadows, now you want me to put up with screaming children??? Not in my neighborhood bucko.
 
Personally, I think Chiofaro is going to buy the entire waterfront, knock down the Harbor Towers, and install a Las Vegas style casino/themepark/resort with ground floor retail, permeable direct waterfront access, a new and improved aquarium, and most of the casino/hotels/rollercoasters will be ~500ft tall.

I didn't hear a frogurt stand in all that. I remain unimpressed.
 
Ugh another 500 footer. Break the plateau and put a spire on that rollercoaster.
 
They should dig as deep as possible, right in front of the garage, and then tunnel underneath it to the harbor. That way we can have our very own hole to the ocean, right next to the greenway!

Bonus points if the garage parcel breaks off and floats away into the Atlantic.
 
Near Injahrow did Don Cheo
a stately pleasure dome decree,


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....
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
 
They should dig as deep as possible, right in front of the garage, and then tunnel underneath it to the harbor. That way we can have our very own hole to the ocean, right next to the greenway!

Bonus points if the garage parcel breaks off and floats away into the Atlantic.

That actually would be cool if they dug down a part of the waterfront and had the ocean come right up to the glass. Im sure its not feasible because a storm surge would probably murder that thing...and take a few innocent bystanders with it. But none the less it would be pretty cool.
 
I think it should be a lunar space port with parking for cheese delivery vehicles.

With a tunnel to China straight down. Call it the "Chinnel".
 
If it's origin is sincere, it certainly wasn't born of anyone with a firm grip on reality. More likely, the people who claim a 600' tower, (the only ticket out of the blight on the Greenway), represents a breach of the public trust are good liars spewing pablum for pubic consumption:

It appears the future owners of those towers set to rise above 200' in the Downtown area have joined together with the current owners of >200' towers to fight Don Chiofaro.... Skynet has wound up a few puppets to masquerade as the protectors of the public good - and wheeled them out on cue. 1 call and the Globe broadcasts the quarrel between Boston millionaires and Don Chiofaro.

I am not Amos Hostetter, nor do I have his net worth. But it would seem, from the Globe article, that Chiofaro's project has a previously unnoticed opponent.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...nt-jeopardy/nXe1RISa6XWBPRfP92wEUM/story.html

The existing garage is ~310' blocking the waterfront... Garage now gone, Chiofaro/Pru do 1 tower with a 165' of frontage leaving a huge 145' wide lawn for the public to view and access the waterfront....

Height at the Harbor Garage site will never affect anyone but the 1%. The 99% experience the waterfront at street level. Furthermore, the city can do tall one time on the waterfront without spoiling it.

Rowes Wharf is ~400' long with a ~70' wide tunnel. The rest of it is a high WALL (albeit an exceedingly handsome one). But, nobody can any more see over it than they can a future Harbor Garage Tower. Whose property REALLY opens the waterfront? Rowes wharf or Don Chiofaro's Tower?

Yes, Don wins in a landslide.

i read Shirley Kressel's post. Whose interests is she shilling for?

Sure ain't the 99% stuck on the T.
 
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odurandina, this friggin' thread is ten years old. Mitt Romney was governor.

Your forum join date is five months ago.

There's a reason why every few months, without fail, the wheel gets reinvented in this zombie thread.
 
One-thing for sure if Chiofaro builds this Tower.

Stellarfun would probably commit suicide.
 
That actually would be cool if they dug down a part of the waterfront and had the ocean come right up to the glass. Im sure its not feasible because a storm surge would probably murder that thing...and take a few innocent bystanders with it. But none the less it would be pretty cool.

What's needed is something to make the building unique -- I suggest that a Water Barometer be attached or integral with a side of the building never subjected to direct sunlight

An Italian Physicist -- I know you are thinking Galileo -- well for you trivia fans -- it was actually Evangelista Torricelli -- invented the barometer when he was playing with a tube filled with Mercury
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But if you use water essentially you convert inches to feet [mercury is about 14 times as dense as water] -- so the 30" of fair weather becomes 35'

Here's the plan that da Don should propose -- the building will be called Torricelli Place

A 50 foot tall glass tank with a space that is evacuated on the top [known as a Torricellian Vacuum] and a tray below connected to the harbor

As the tide goes in an comes out daily the level in the tray would move up and down by about 10 feet. On a Monthly Basis there are he monthly highest and lowest tides [Spring and Neap] and finally there is a variation associated with the distance of the moon from the earth -- the so-called Perigean Tidal Fluctuation -- all this roughly repeats over a 19 year period and so would the standing column above the tray

This would make Torricelli Place a truly unique building in the entire world as Boston's tides are some of the highest of any major city located on the ocean [as no one really lives on the Bay of Fundy]

The glass would be marked with tidal levels -- and as an added bonus for the AGW fans -- by drilling a shaft to bedrock and attaching a pointer -- you can even try to see the variation of sea level over the centuries

But the Torricellian Vacuum at the top makes the whole thing a water column barometer and so you also get the roughly one foot variation due to passing Nor'easters and other storms [like the Hurricane of 1938]

However, the atmospheric pressure is determined by the height of the column above the water level -- which as we can see with out eyes varies. So to complete the display attached to One Torricelli Place -- you need a floating scale [small barge?] with a 35 foot tall vertical column. The pressure on the column is marked out in: inches of mercury equivalent, mm of mercury equivalent, milliBars for the Olde Schoole Meteorologists; Torr for the vacuum pumpers amongst us; fractions or 1+ fractions of Standard Atmosphere; and for the truly STEM minded kiloPascals
See for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_(unit)

Of course due to Global Warming or just a sea breeze the temperature of the glass will also cause expansion and contraction of the column and hence variation in the height -- so either the temperature needs to be held constant or a reference column is required with both ends sealed
 
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