Bartlett Yards | 2505-2565 Washington Street | Roxbury

It's interesting how much nicer the MPNDC developments at Whittier Choice + Madison Park look than Bartlett. They've also moved faster. Wonder what there is to be learned.
 
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Building F2 (28 units)










Building F4 (37 units) F5 (44 units)

Edit: I could have sworn I previously read somewhere that it was F2 and F4 that were under construction, but according to the Planning Department it's actually F2 and F5 that are going up. Based on the map that Stick n Move posted in the previous page, F5 makes more sense as the one being developed.













 
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Overall, this whole site has been a big disappointment. I dont know why even a modicum of effort couldn't have been made by the city to make these buildings not look as utterly cheap as they do. This was a giant piece of land right next to a major commercial district, tabula rasa, and somehow they couldn't do any better than this? Sad.
 
FK4 said:
Overall, this whole site has been a big disappointment. I dont know why even a modicum of effort couldn't have been made by the city to make these buildings not look as utterly cheap as they do. This was a giant piece of land right next to a major commercial district, tabula rasa, and somehow they couldn't do any better than this? Sad.
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This is exactly what those Boston Sewer lots will look like in a few years.
 
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Thanks for the pic! To add to the mix, Boston City Archives has a bunch of photos of the original construction of the Elevated and Guild St. Carhouse at Bartlett station:

Construction of the Elevated, looking northeast on Washington Street; Bartlett Station on left









Construction of Guild St. Carhouse (right) and Rail Crossover (center), from near Guild Street and Lambert Avenue, looking southeast toward Washington Street and rears of houses on Alpine Street













Construction of Guild St. Carhouse and Rail Crossover from near Washington Street, looking northwest towards Guild Street











Completed Carhouse




 
Wow awesome historic photos. Its shame there couldnt have been an more innovative redevelopment that integrated some of the historic buildings. This site plan and architecture are so snooze.
 
mssrro said:
Thanks for the pic! To add to the mix, Boston City Archives has a bunch of photos of the original construction of the Elevated and Guild St. Carhouse at Bartlett station:

Construction of the Elevated, looking northeast on Washington Street; Bartlett Station on left









Construction of Guild St. Carhouse (right) and Rail Crossover (center), from near Guild Street and Lambert Avenue, looking southeast toward Washington Street and rears of houses on Alpine Street













Construction of Guild St. Carhouse and Rail Crossover from near Washington Street, looking northwest towards Guild Street











Completed Carhouse




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Amazing pics. Man, it must have sucked to have lived on Washington Street when they came in and said, sorry, your living room is going to look at metal now
 
FK4 said:
Amazing pics. Man, it must have sucked to have lived on Washington Street when they came in and said, sorry, your living room is going to look at metal now
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I wonder if they ever considered a tunnel along Washington Street, like was constructed in Cambridge at the time? The Cambridge tunnel started construction in 1909, so maybe a tunnel was never even considered for the Forest Hills transit. Hey, I found the 1892 Report of the Rapid Transit Commission to the Massachusetts Legislature. Very interesting read. It sounds like they didn't like tunnels at all because they felt nobody would feel comfortable and use them compared to overhead systems.

 
Java King said:
I wonder if they ever considered a tunnel along Washington Street, like was constructed in Cambridge at the time? The Cambridge tunnel started construction in 1909, so maybe a tunnel was never even considered for the Forest Hills transit. Hey, I found the 1892 Report of the Rapid Transit Commission to the Massachusetts Legislature. Very interesting read. It sounds like they didn't like tunnels at all because they felt nobody would feel comfortable and use them compared to overhead systems.

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My semi-educated guess would be no. At the time the elevated line was first being seriously contemplated in the 1890s tunnels were generally considered an option of last resort due to cost and difficulty, and were usually proposed only for the densest and most congested business districts. The possibility of a tunnel for Downtown was hence always on the table (though even there, there were also proposals to run an elevated through the area), but once the rail went south of the CBD the choices were elevated or surface.

Thanks for sharing that report. On the subject of the desirability of tunnels, Henry Whitney (president of the city's West End Railway) made some comments in 1890 when the elevated line was coming into concept which dovetail with your find:

"The suggestion has been made of a tunnel...any system of tunneling is exceedingly expensive. The only systems of tunnels that I know of that are operated with any degree of success whatsoever are the tunnels in the great city of London. It is a city ten times the size of Boston. Its tunnels cost $110,000,000 and it carried last year 143,000,000 passengers. It carried about one passenger for the underground system to every ten that, with its capital, the West End Railway Company transports today. Now, no company could afford to build a tunnel and transport people for five cents a limited distance by any system upon which tunnels heretofore have been built.

The great tunnels of London were chartered by Parliament in 1854. They were begun in 1860. The first section was finished in 1863, and it was not until 1864 that the tunnels were completed for the first inner circle. It was actually 30 years from the time when Parliament first granted the act (to say nothing of the years that had been spent in working public sentiment up to the point of getting the act) until the first inner circle was completed of 22 miles. I do not undertake to say, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, that any such length of time would elapse before a tunnel was constructed if a charter for one was granted here. Since 1854 modern engineering has come in; new ways have been devised for doing this work; but the travel on the underground roads in London demonstrates this fact, which is attested by every American who has been in London, that nobody willingly goes into an underground road. They go there, if they go at all, for the purpose of saving time. They realize its discomforts, they dislike to go there, and that statement is amply corroborated by the fact that so few people, compared with the great amount of travel, go into the tunnels at all."
 

LOI Filed for 60+ Unit Condo Project in Roxbury​

“The Nelson Group has filed a Letter of Intent for Bartlett Place Lot C development, part of the master plan for the 8.5-acre master planned site. This project is Phase 2 of the master plan. It includes a 5-story building containing approximately 61 multifamily dwelling units (inclusive of an artist housing component) together with residential amenities and a parking garage.”

https://www.bldup.com/posts/loi-filed-for-60-unit-condo-project-in-roxbury

Loi
https://bpda.app.box.com/s/xy61tu4t5oyfujzki0s2peb876zn695q

https://www.bostonplans.org/projects/development-projects/bartlett-place-building-c

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Theres no documents for lot C yet but I was able to find a model of it in the background of the render for the building D.
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Masterplan page showing each individual project:
https://www.bostonplans.org/projects/development-projects/bartlett-place
 
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