BCEC expansion | Seaport

Of course it could be better, and your vision would make it better. That said, by your logic South Station is anti-urban because it has a similar blank frontage over a similar area. Actually, train stations in a lot of European cities are anti-urban if the metric is "very large building not ringed by retail."

"Anti-urban" isn't just an architectural term. Bringing in a lot of people with money to support the more urban retail, dining, and hotels nearby does contribute significantly to the urban environment as long as there's one to support. Attach the BCEC to a mall, and it loses that benefit.

South Station presents 300' of frontage on either side of its main entrance.

BCEC's D Street frontage alone is 1,200'. After expansion BCEC's D Street frontage will be 1,900 feet — 3 times the distance across South Station's entire curved streetwall.

I recently asked BCEC to publish it's complete post-expansion plans for D Street and Cypher Street frontage, including the permanent park that has been announced and (hopefully) additional retail and active non-commercial uses. Jim Rooney responded that an architect had not been selected but a plan for D Street would be forthcoming with the design.

As for a forum in which BCEC is presented as the catalyst for Seaport development, the panel composition itself suggests the agenda is self-serving. I really don't take issue with that, but BCEC has been the driver of a number of Seaport development priorities from transit (recently drawing attention to Track 61 while Silver Line, BRT, Crossroads and other improvements languish) to land use (pressing for hotels including those publicly subsidized). Two Seaport Square parcels that were formerly approved as residential sites were in recent years amended to host hotels. A BRA-approved residential project on D Street (widely announced as the largest residential project in Boston history at over 700 apartments) was taken last year by BCEC to host its two hotels. I heard this week, unrelated to BCEC issues, that apartments on Massport parcel K will be limited to 2-year leases. And in my neighborhood of Fort Point, the BRA has approved executive stay units (90-day leases allowed) while announcing these transient uses as "housing."

As a result of BCEC (and market and political) pressures for office/hotel uses, the 15+ year Seaport housing shortfall continues. As of 12/2014 there will be a total of 239 condos within 1/4 mile of all six Seaport Silver Line stations/stops. There are no civic facilities (school, library, community center, etc.) built and none planned. So the aspirations of 1000+ stakeholders envisioning a dense urban "neighborhood" with a critical mass of residents and a mix of commercial, civic and cultural uses remain just that... aspirations.

I'd suggest to ArchBoston forum members to consider that benchmarks for "planning aspirations" matter. Attention to Seaport housing would have balanced traffic and transit resources, providing more opportunities for walking to work. At some point, the imbalance stunts growth. What we've seen is a gold rush from the development side, with early shovels in the ground choosing the most lucrative land uses (hotel/office) rather than a balanced mix. Publicly the BRA calls for patience and suggests a balanced mix will evolve in phases, while privately negotiating proposed amendments to Planned Development Areas that shift the land uses far from a balanced mix.

Perhaps the panelists at the conference will mention the Cooper Robertson and Partners plan for D Street, along with the work by Chan Krieger. Both firms identified D Street as a significant pedestrian corridor welcoming residents and visitors from deep in South Boston to walk to the water's edge. It's surprising -- especially considered the development rights already approved for Seaport parking lots (PDAs) and the intense master plans that have already been drawn up, that the Seaport is being projected by BCEC's hired team as tabula rasa.
 
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South Station presents 300' of frontage on either side of its main entrance.

BCEC's D Street frontage alone is 1,200'. After expansion BCEC's D Street frontage will be 1,900 feet — 3 times the distance across South Station's entire curved streetwall.

I'm not opposed to your general point, but this is some pretty serious apples-to-oranges comparison right here. The South Station frontage on Atlantic Avenue from Dewey Square to the bus connector is approximately 1,500'. Now, you can parse that if you like and cut it shorter or longer, but Chinatown on the other side of Atlantic Ave. is significantly more of an urban space than D Street and Cypher Street are or ever will be.
 
I'm not opposed to your general point, but this is some pretty serious apples-to-oranges comparison right here. The South Station frontage on Atlantic Avenue from Dewey Square to the bus connector is approximately 1,500'. Now, you can parse that if you like and cut it shorter or longer, but Chinatown on the other side of Atlantic Ave. is significantly more of an urban space than D Street and Cypher Street are or ever will be.

S. Station Atlantic Ave frontage is 300'.
BCEC D Street frontage is 1200'. Post-expansion it is 1900'.

Worth mentioning (unconfirmed) that S. Station now has an entrance to CVS mid-block. As for the entire length down past bus terminal, there are numerous "doors on the street" and entrances for pedestrians. I'm not saying it's appealing, but it's active.

I don't present myself as an expert in this arena, only an observer with a passionate interest in the long-term evolution of the district.

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S. Station Atlantic Ave frontage is 300'.
BCEC D Street frontage is 1200'. Post-expansion it is 1900'.

This argument isn't really important to the overall discussion, but you do understand that South Station consists of more than a headhouse, yes?

You know what? Maybe it is important, because it goes to my point. You see South Station as just being the waiting room and shopping atrium because that's the part that people are drawn to. That's the portal for all the activity generated by the station to enter the surrounding urban area. The fact that there's a quarter-mile of ugly dead zone behind that point is so unimportant to your experience of the station that you don't consider it part of the whole.

The same could theoretically be proposed at the BCEC. As long as the activity portals for the neighborhood are fully developed (as they're trying to do at the D Street entrance), does it really matter what goes on on the side lined by warehouses?

Perhaps it does if you plan for that area to become urban one day, but that brings up South Station again. It would be great for all that back end along Fort Point Channel and Atlantic to be activated with a commercial street wall, but does the detriment of the status quo outweigh the benefits to that end of Boston from having the station there?
 
The difference as I see it is that BCEC's D Street frontage (aside from loading docks) was/is completely compatible with active uses. Furthermore this edge was planned (while BCEC was a known entity) as an active edge. IIRC, Cooper Robertson --aware of BCEC's arrival, identified D Street as the Seaport's most important pedestrian corridor.

BCEC and a vibrant D Street are not mutually exclusive. If they were, I might understand the argument that BCEC is justified in just presenting a box with (mostly) inactive frontage.
 
The fact that there's a quarter-mile of ugly dead zone behind that point is so unimportant to your experience of the station that you don't consider it part of the whole.

Something really needs to be done about that dead zone, it is such an underutilized area, that is only a congregation space for the homeless. Extend that wing of SS to meet up with the bus terminal. This would provide some street facing retail & a better connection between SS & the bus terminal. And while you're at it, redesign the sidewalk/Atlantic ave to better accommodate the Taxi stand & kiss & ride area.
 
there's a quarter-mile of ugly dead zone behind that point

That's pretty debatable, and bare minimum, that length is infinitely more active that the BCEC's D St wall. Hell, two doors with people coming in and out of them would make anything more active than the BCEC wall. South Station and the bus terminal has travelers going in and out almost 24/7, with a corresponding number of cabs out on the street. What's BCEC got on their blank wall? Nothing.
 
That's pretty debatable, and bare minimum, that length is infinitely more active that the BCEC's D St wall. Hell, two doors with people coming in and out of them would make anything more active than the BCEC wall. South Station and the bus terminal has travelers going in and out almost 24/7, with a corresponding number of cabs out on the street. What's BCEC got on their blank wall? Nothing.

They plan to have a co-main entrance, featuring a public park with fairly frequent programming. The also plan to front the street with an extension of the Westin Hotel and "Future BCEC-related development", all of which could be required to have activated street-level retail. The proposed expansion will front D Street for only 600' - the remainder of the building actually isn't alongside D Street at all. It's on Bullock Street 285' from the roadway and will ultimately be hidden behind hotel and restaurant developments to serve visitors.

I grant that the Westin is a pretty weak streetwall, but that doesn't have anything to do with the aesthetics of the convention center and it's something that can be (and is being) addressed with future development.
 
I think it's fair to say that I'm one of the more optimistic and positive people on this board, but when it comes to BCEC claims about activating the blank walls of their convention fortress, I'll believe it when I see it.
 
I'm surprised that anyone is thinking the BCEC perimeter of dead space will ever be enlivened. The place was built in a no-man's land, similar to the Boston Design Center, where nothing is going on around this building to my knowledge. The whole point of a convention center is that stuff is going on inside the building. I'll be happy to see a few trees and benches around the perimeter and if there's enough land maybe some retail. I do wish it would be otherwise though...
 
I'm surprised that anyone is thinking the BCEC perimeter of dead space will ever be enlivened. The place was built in a no-man's land, similar to the Boston Design Center, where nothing is going on around this building to my knowledge.

Give the design center a year or two. Take a look at the BRA page for the Innovation and Design Building:
http://www.bostonredevelopmentauthority.org/projects/development-projects/the-innovation-and-design-building

It seems like Jamestown has some plans to really activate the area around the building and I know they have already been doing some base building upgrades to the interior & exterior of the building. Windows, masonry repairs, etc.
 
The way I see it, a blank wall is anti-urban regardless of the value of the institution that creates it; be it a train station, a government building, a convention center, a parking garage, etc. Blank walls are uninviting, intimidating, and deaden the street. Obviously a blank wall is more inherent to some institutions than others, and obviously things can be done in phases. My point is that, while the BCEC was designed at a time when absolutely nothing surrounded it, it doesn't seem that the plans to expand and complete it do a remotely adequate job of turning D Street into something resembling a real urban corridor, let along actually enhance a natural transition into Southie from the Seaport. The BCEC should have been built with its hotels attached to it along the perimeter with housing, offices and mixed-use projects planned across the streets on all sides. The way it's been done, the BCEC seems to have been built to ensure that the perimeter of the square mile of land it occupies is a street-scape dead-zone forever.
 
I'm surprised that anyone is thinking the BCEC perimeter of dead space will ever be enlivened. The place was built in a no-man's land, similar to the Boston Design Center, where nothing is going on around this building to my knowledge. The whole point of a convention center is that stuff is going on inside the building. I'll be happy to see a few trees and benches around the perimeter and if there's enough land maybe some retail. I do wish it would be otherwise though...

Actually Convention Centers are a bit like Casinos. They are designed to suck people in and keep them there. The location of many Convention Centers in urban dead zones is not just about the land prices, it is also about the wishes of the companies that sponsor conventions. During convention hours they do not want the conventioneers wandering away. It is bad for their business.
 
We should have a vote on this.
Which development idea is worse for citizens of Boston

Billion dollar casino (Traffic nightmare) or an Updated BCEC Expansion (Taxpayers money pit)
 
The Lawn on D

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I would've gone in and explored but...

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What are those brick things on the ground? Are those for lights?

Also I think that they would be better off with replacing those dangling art things with a set of swings.
 
I am digging the fences that surround this entire thing! They really make it feel like this park is part of the community. They really get my creative juices flowing, y'know?
 

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