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BCEC Expansion is nothing more than a swindle job. At least give the billion to the MBTA to let rebuild and expand that infrastructure before we end up like LA

Riff -- Given the $800 M deficit this fiscal year and initial estimates of $1.5B in shortfalls for next year + the immediate problems with the T -- I think the probability of any T expansion happening before a dramatic improvement is made in the state of repair and operations -- comparable to winning both the Powerball and Mass Millions in the same week with the same numbers :)
 
Is this confirmed? That the bcec will not be expanded? I thought it was a done deal especially since the two hotels broke ground on D st.
 
Is this confirmed? That the bcec will not be expanded? I thought it was a done deal especially since the two hotels broke ground on D st.

The bonds were delayed. That doesn't mean expansion isn't happening, but it's being held up.
 
The Boston 2024 Olympics is relying on the expansion in a major way as a venue site.

And the bonds are not fungible, in that bond monies for the BCEC aren't available for the MBTA or for other purposes. That's because the bonds are financed by a surtax on hotels, meals, rental cars. The same surtax financed the initial construction of the BCEC.
 
How much does the rental car tax bring in a year? I wonder if/when the convention center is paid off we could switch that money to the T.
 
The Boston 2024 Olympics is relying on the expansion in a major way as a venue site.

And the bonds are not fungible, in that bond monies for the BCEC aren't available for the MBTA or for other purposes. That's because the bonds are financed by a surtax on hotels, meals, rental cars. The same surtax financed the initial construction of the BCEC.
It is a law that can change.
The surtax represents money being sucked out of visitors and car/hotels. It would sunset if there were no new bonds to fund, or if continued maybe we decide the T is more important for visitors (and the Olympics). Rather than let the gravy train /hackmobile stall, Beacon hill rolled on, just like Robert Moses always used the $ from tolls to build an ever bigger bridge rather than see his empire stagnate, regardless of whether they were needed.

And it is borrowing capacity being dinged against the States limit and credit rating. Is it really the best use of the next $1b in bonding? Doubtful.
 
The reality is that the legislature hates to see taxes expire because they know how hard they are to impose. The BCEC tax should have expired when the old bonds were paid off, and have essentially imposed it afresh, just trussing it up in its old clothes so you don't notice. Don't buy this "it is the same tax" or the "we had to spend it on the BCEC." It took a new (and opaque and rushed) law.

Making it look like the old tax/build deal is all handwaving to distract you and the tourist industry that they are taking a new $1b and blowing it on a white elephant as a favor to the BCEC hacks and the construction trades.

I'd like Baker to say: "I see what you did there" and ask: let's extend the tourism taxes, but isn't there something else that we'd rather have that would also drive tourism, boost the Seaport as a convention/hotel complex, and feed the construction biz?

Like a real Back Bay seaport DMU (with a flyover, not line fowling ) Silver T Under D St, and South Station expansion? These all are equal or better for attracting visits,car rentals, and hotel stays
 
Not sure if this belongs here: Different people same game. The taxpayers at this point in this state are only enriching the politically connected on the taxpayers dime: A complete looting going on.

After an Audit and investigation into the MBTA I would like to see the taxpayers money help that system to upgrade and expand. But that's just another corrupt agency at this point.

At this point the people that run this state are pieces of shit.



Seaport hotel could see tax relief, but critics are wary
The new hotel complex would be built across from the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center.
City and convention center officials are considering property tax breaks to help build a massive hotel complex across from the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center, even as the area has emerged as one of the hottest urban real estate markets on the East Coast.

Mayor Martin J. Walsh said officials are “in discussions” about providing a public subsidy for the South Boston waterfront project, which would have at least 1,200 rooms and cost roughly $800 million to build.

“Everything is on the table,” the mayor said Thursday night. “If it’s going to help grow the area, I’m certainly not going to walk away from it.”

That approach troubles Greg Sullivan, research director at the Pioneer Institute, a conservative think tank in Boston.

“If the convention center expansion can’t attract a major hotel company to build a hotel directly across the street from the convention center on its own merits,” he said, “then what is the point?”

Jim Rooney seen as next leader of Boston chamber
The appointment of the Boston convention center chief could throw the center’s $1 billion expansion into limbo.

Because the process of selecting a developer remains in the early stages, Walsh and others involved said it is too soon to negotiate the size of any subsidy the city would provide.

The Massachusetts Convention Center Authority wants the hotel built in conjunction with the center’s $1 billion expansion. But the future of that expansion became uncertain when Governor Charlie Baker’s administration put a hold on the issuing of bonds, expressing caution about spending money on the project amid a large budget deficit.

‘If the convention center expansion can’t attract a major hotel company to build a hotel directly across the street from the convention center on its own merits, then what is the point?’

Expansion proponents remain hopeful that Baker will soon authorize the bonds. But if it gets shelved, officials say they would probably scratch the current hotel bidding and restart the process for a smaller hotel.

Baker spokesman Tim Buckley said the administration is not considering additional state funds for the hotel, and the administration recently shared that view with the convention center leadership.

Last month, three development teams submitted a total of six proposals for the hotel project. An eight-member panel with representatives from the convention center and the Massachusetts Port Authority is expected to select a winner by this summer, in time for the hotel project to break ground in 2016 and open in 2019.

The hotel would be built on two Massport-owned parcels totaling five acres along Summer Street and separated by D Street, to be connected with a pedestrian bridge. The complex would be on par with Boston’s largest hotel, the 1,220-room Sheraton in the Back Bay.

Massport chief executive Thomas Glynn said he remains optimistic about keeping any public subsidies to a minimum. He declined to say how much of a property tax subsidy the development teams are seeking as part of their bids, or if all of the bids rely on a subsidy. Proposals with smaller subsidy requests will get better scores in the bid review.

“Our job is to get the best deal for the public sector,” Glynn said. “We want the private sector to step up as much as possible.”

Ronald Rakow, Walsh’s assessing commissioner and the city’s representative on the convention center board, said the discussions that the mayor referenced relate to Massport’s hotel bid process.

City officials, he said, have had no conversations in the past few months about a subsidy for the new hotel.

Rooney said 20 of the convention center-affiliated hotels built in the past 15 years in the United States have had some form of government assistance. One of the reasons he cited: Hotel operators are largely out of the development business now, and the investors involved in these projects want a quick return on their investments.

Rooney said he will not go to the city with a formal tax-break request until he knows how much the chosen developer would need to build the hotel. He said he expects talks with city officials will begin in May.

“I have not had a discussion with the city of Boston around any specific numbers,” Rooney said. “[But] we generally have spoken about the way these things get built.”

The Pioneer Institute has waged a war against any convention center hotel subsidy for at least a year, arguing that if the convention center is successful, the activity there should be enough to spur private construction without public help.

“My concern with this procurement is that lurking in the shadows is the motivation to provide a subsidy to the developer,” said Pioneer’s Sullivan, a former state inspector general.

It is not unusual for tax breaks to be given to hotel projects in Boston, and some early participants in the waterfront’s current boom received property tax relief.

Typically, these breaks consist of a transition period in which the full property tax is deferred for many years, and the amount paid to the city rises over that time. These packages are usually worth millions of dollars.

In the case of the 790-room Westin hotel that opened next to the convention center in 2006, that transition period lasted for six years, including two years of construction. A project that includes an Aloft and an Element hotel, with roughly 500 rooms, underway on D Street, has a seven-year transition period.

These days, there is more construction in the Seaport neighborhood than any other part of the city, with cranes in nearly every direction and real estate prices soaring.

Major Boston-area employers have either moved in or are building flashy new offices there.

Aside from property tax breaks, there are other ways to help spur construction. Massport is allowing the hotel developer to use the site rent-free for two years over the course of a 95-year lease. The minimum annual rent payment would then ratchet upward to $1.8 million at the 14-year point after the hotel opens.

Glynn said the system essentially allows Massport to recoup the lost rent in the early years by charging more during most of the later years in the lease. Massport created a similar system of escalating rents for the Renaissance hotel that opened on Congress Street in 2008, Glynn said.

The bidders for the convention center hotel project also have another incentive: The convention center authority will guarantee that a certain number of room nights will be filled at the hotel.

And Massport plans to build a parking garage next to the hotel with at least 1,500 spaces, alleviating a parking requirement for the hotel developer. The garage would be available to the hotel for its use but also to others in the waterfront area.

Representatives for the bidding teams did not return calls or declined to comment about the subsidies they might be seeking. The three development teams are: Fallon Co. and Capstone Development; New Boston Hospitality, a group that includes the Davis Cos. and Congress Group; and RIDA Development, Accordia Partners, and Ares Management. The hotel brands under consideration include Hilton, Hyatt, Marriott, and Omni.

Shirley Leung of the Globe staff contributed to this report. Jon Chesto can be reached at jon.chesto@globe.com.
 
Dude, always link to the article you're shamelessly copy-pasting...
 
I'm not in favor of tax breaks ... and this one is the most-ridiculous of all.

Regarding the proposal, it's not clear to me whether or not MassPort would have to pay property taxes - isn't it "state" land, meaning it's tax exempt to begin with?

The scary part is where it says that MassPort guarantees a certain number of hotel rooms will be rented each night - yikes.

And, do these hotels pay "market-rate" rents on the land?
 
Agreed - as the article says, if we supposedly are in dire need of hotels for the convention, then the market should sustain a hotel that is literally right across the street.

Also, Massport really ought to be stripped of a lot of authority over most of the Seaport... It's a joke that state police rule an area that has very little port activities. Aside from the wharves themselves, it would be nice to Baker close down Massport's power around here altogether and return control to the city.
 
As opposed to the T -- Massport is aggressively pursuing development of its properties -- in particular the new Hotel complex for the BCEC

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/2015/04/massport_pushes_ahead_with_hotel
Massport pushes ahead with hotel
Friday, April 17, 2015 PrintEmail0 Comments
By:
Marie Szaniszlo
Massport is pushing ahead with plans for an $800 million headquarters hotel in the Seaport District, even as Gov. Charlie Baker is in the midst of a review of the bonding needed for the project, which is part of the planning expansion of the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center.....


The agency has received six bids from developers to build the new 1,200-room headquarters hotel on two Massport-owned parcels at Summer and D streets as part of the proposed $1 billion BCEC expansion.

Doolin said Massport is distributing additional questions to the developers, with responses due back May 15, after which working groups will spend two weeks reviewing them.

In June, interviews with the developers and an evaluation by a nine-member selection panel will be completed, followed in July by a presentation to the Massport and Massachusetts Convention Center Authority boards and possibly the selection of a developer.

Its quite possible that the largest Hotel to be built in Boston since the Sheraton Boston might be moving into the serious design phase by mid summer
 
Is the BCEC bankrolling the hotel? What's the financing arrangement here.
 
you'd think with hotel vacancy rates as low as they've been that hotel companies would be dying to get more rooms available, the demand certainly seems to be there, and even with a small increase in supply it would seem to still be there.
 
Is the BCEC bankrolling the hotel? What's the financing arrangement here.

No -- I believe that only Massport is involved in a financial manner

Massport owns the land and will arrange the ground lease with the Hotel developer -- the Massachusettes Convention Center Authority (MCCA) -- builder, owner and operator of the BCEC actually has no real formal input to the HQ Hotel except for the potential pedestrian tunnel from the Massport land under Summer st. that enters the lower level of the BCEC
 
Byeee.

Baker freezes $1 billion Convention Center expansion
BBJ

Gov. Charlie Baker has indefinitely frozen state plans to finance a $1 billion expansion of the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center, opting instead to allow the newly reconstituted Massachusetts Convention Center Authority board to decide whether the 1.3 million-square-foot construction project should move forward.
 
Good - serious re-review (or actual real fiscal review) is needed.
 

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