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Putting a bike lane on the MOS driveway was evaluated, and discarded:
(1) The grades are too steep to meet engineering standards
(2) The MOS doesn't want it there
(3) It doesn't go the full length of Charles River Dam Road
It's definitely a better end product to have it buffered/flex posted in the roadway for the sake of continuity and ease of use, but on the flip side, I know of no engineering standards related to the pitch of a bike lane, and the driveway isn't a driveway, it's actually a carriage road owned by DCR.

One of the big reasons why this won't effect vehicular traffic throughput is because it doesn't change the capacity (number of lanes) at any of the intersections. It just takes a lane in between. There is less queuing capacity in the general vicinity, but the same number of cars are making it through the intersections.
 

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The plan for the replacement commuter rail drawbridges includes a bike/pedestrian crossing. Once that's built (whenever that actually happens), there will be an off-street connection from downtown Boston to North Point and the Somerville Community Path. In order to avoid the dam, yesterday I rode across the North Washington St Bridge and then over the North Bank Bridge to North Point Blvd and that was much nicer (even the NWSB, which has no bike lanes but the right lane is pretty wide).
 

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34f34f, not all of what I was saying was directed at you. There was some other semi-inflammatory stuff by others I was referring to.

You obviously are pro-bike so I assumed you agree with all the other reasons to support bike infrastructure improvements (that was also directed at others, not you). We are basically on the same page. But, I do think it's important to be careful about citing evidence and studies... in many cases, there's no evidence even needed. This stretch needed bike safety, regardless of whether you are socio-culturally pro- or anti-bike. On the other hand, whatever your cultural/political leanings toward cars and highways is, this roadway is a critical connector not just for travelers between Cambridge and Boston, but also between many other points... so, if you're going from the Galleria to North Station, it's faster and more efficient by bike, but that ignores the fact that this road fulfills many purposes, specifically, that it's a key arterial (again, a fact that may or may not be palatable to one's personal bent). Arguments on whether a road is more efficient when used by cars or bikes has much more relevance when thinking about smaller stretches of local-use-only roads.
Sure thing—and thank you for the thoughtful response. It's important for all of us to keep multiple uses and different users in mind.
 

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Found the actual 5/1/19 striping plan: https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2019/05/07/dot-hwy_CRDR_20190501_roll_plan.pdf

And presentation: https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2019/05/07/dot-hwy_CRDR_20190501_mtg_presentation.pdf

That resolves most of my concerns raised by the way the project was described in the article.

I do believe the outbound Land Blvd intersection may need to be tweaked with which lanes go where (perhaps a left + straight, rather than straight only for the 2nd lane), but I think the 4 lanes is workable.
 

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Found the actual 5/1/19 striping plan: https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2019/05/07/dot-hwy_CRDR_20190501_roll_plan.pdf

And presentation: https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2019/05/07/dot-hwy_CRDR_20190501_mtg_presentation.pdf

That resolves most of my concerns raised by the way the project was described in the article.

I do believe the outbound Land Blvd intersection may need to be tweaked with which lanes go where (perhaps a left + straight, rather than straight only for the 2nd lane), but I think the 4 lanes is workable.
It doesn't look like it loses too much, which is a relief. It does look like the confusion problem remains at the Museum Way intersection, as the lanes shift but there aren't any dotted lines making sure drivers know this! (as an aside, there's a similar but even worse problem when entering Kenmore via Beacon Street, heading West)

Hopefully this tinker doesn't result in the traffic Armageddon that I was expecting before I viewed the diagram.
 

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It's that condescending attitude that only contributes to the animosity between bicyclists and motorists.
Nope, its the "fuck you Ive got mine" attitude of people who have access to 99% of the roadway network and throw a hissy fit at the idea of 1% being allocated to another use. Thats what creates animosity.
 

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I would like to see the painting and striping to include green paint in the bike lane including through (alongside) the cross-hatched boxes
 

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Is there any push going on to build a cycletrack down the Rose Kennedy Greenway? The existing bike lanes on Atlantic Ave/Cross St are OK, but a cycletrack would make it much less hairy to get north-south along the corridor. (I use the Commercial St cycletrack around the North End, even though it's a detour, because it's so much more pleasant than fighting downtown traffic.)
 

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Is there any push going on to build a cycletrack down the Rose Kennedy Greenway? The existing bike lanes on Atlantic Ave/Cross St are OK, but a cycletrack would make it much less hairy to get north-south along the corridor. (I use the Commercial St cycletrack around the North End, even though it's a detour, because it's so much more pleasant than fighting downtown traffic.)
I doubt it... there isn't any space for it. Also, for the portion you are bypassing on Commercial Street, there isn't much "greenway" - it's all exit ramps and then developed lots. I usually ride, illegally, on the greenway itself... slowly.
 

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Is there any push going on to build a cycletrack down the Rose Kennedy Greenway? The existing bike lanes on Atlantic Ave/Cross St are OK, but a cycletrack would make it much less hairy to get north-south along the corridor. (I use the Commercial St cycletrack around the North End, even though it's a detour, because it's so much more pleasant than fighting downtown traffic.)
I'd much rather see them limit traffic on Atlantic Ave/Cross St/Surface Rd, maybe a complete streets redesign of them. The noise and speeds of cars down those roads make the Greenway quite unpleasant to sit and relax in
 

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I'd much rather see them limit traffic on Atlantic Ave/Cross St/Surface Rd, maybe a complete streets redesign of them. The noise and speeds of cars down those roads make the Greenway quite unpleasant to sit and relax in
Exactly. The Greenway serves a non transportation purpose. The roads on either side of it are over built, especially when you consider they are located directly above an Interstate Highway. Road diet on the surface, add a cycle track there, but leave the Greenway intact as is.
 

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I'd like to see a better bike tie-in between the Harborwalk and the Connect Historic Boston trail (perimeter of North End).
 

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Exactly. The Greenway serves a non transportation purpose. The roads on either side of it are over built, especially when you consider they are located directly above an Interstate Highway. Road diet on the surface, add a cycle track there, but leave the Greenway intact as is.
The surface roads are only overbuild in some sections. There are two conditions that completely slam the surface roads (and make it hard to lane drop):

Near where they feed the O'Neill Tunnel entrances/exits.

Where tour buses stop (park) effectively an informal lane drop.

Road dieting has to take into account these conditions.
 

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Is there any push going on to build a cycletrack down the Rose Kennedy Greenway? The existing bike lanes on Atlantic Ave/Cross St are OK, but a cycletrack would make it much less hairy to get north-south along the corridor. (I use the Commercial St cycletrack around the North End, even though it's a detour, because it's so much more pleasant than fighting downtown traffic.)
The originally-promised Connect Historic Boston cycle track was meant to be a figure eight, including Atlantic Ave:

 

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Some work finally being done on the South Bay Harbor Trail (the ugliest part of it, anyway, still no sign of bike lanes on the 4th St./Broadway bridges):

 

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@stevebikes, thanks for posting the picture, I am very excited to see that this is finally happening. Pending completion, what is your preferred non-trail way to rid from Melnea Cass through the area. It's kind of hard to figure out from looking at Google, and my sense it that if I'm not careful, I might suddenly find myself dumped out on to a section of bike unfriendly roadway if I try riding from the Ruggles area to the seaport section of the harbor walk.
 

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In my experience, the best way is:


I am generally outspoken against riding on the sidewalk, and think that, absent separated infrastructure, us cyclists should generally be vehicular cyclists. Here is an exception though. The roads are a death trap of highways. The "sidewalks" and "sidepaths" are supposedly part of the Bay Harbor Trail, fairly wide at parts, with long blocks, and not a ton of pedestrians (outside of Methadone Mile). Plus many of the quasi-highways are one-way going the wrong way. So, for those reasons, this is one of my rare stretches where I recommend opting for the pedestrian infrastructure rather than the auto-centric roads.
 

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@stevebikes, thanks for posting the picture, I am very excited to see that this is finally happening. Pending completion, what is your preferred non-trail way to rid from Melnea Cass through the area. It's kind of hard to figure out from looking at Google, and my sense it that if I'm not careful, I might suddenly find myself dumped out on to a section of bike unfriendly roadway if I try riding from the Ruggles area to the seaport section of the harbor walk.
Well its actually quicker to completely avoid the whole South Bay Trail and just go straight down Columbus Ave, round to South Station via whatever route you please then across your bridge of choice into the Seaport area...

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Ruggles,+Tremont+Street,+Roxbury,+MA/Seaport+World+Trade+Center,+World+Trade+Center+Avenue,+Boston,+MA/@42.3430641,-71.0829782,14z/data=!3m1!5s0x89e37078f5dd92ef:0x77b7ec9a5a67c410!4m15!4m14!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e37a22524cd35d:0xf820e112f367f2e3!2m2!1d-71.0894067!2d42.3366467!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e37b0f1e17dddf:0x99af52723387f49!2m2!1d-71.0404835!2d42.3514443!3e1!5i1

Alternatively, same general idea: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Ruggles,+Tremont+Street,+Roxbury,+MA/42.3518491,-71.0433973/@42.3432037,-71.0765216,14.5z/data=!3m1!5s0x89e37078f5dd92ef:0x77b7ec9a5a67c410!4m10!4m9!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e37a22524cd35d:0xf820e112f367f2e3!2m2!1d-71.0894067!2d42.3366467!1m0!3e1!5i2
 

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I am generally outspoken against riding on the sidewalk, and think that, absent separated infrastructure, us cyclists should generally be vehicular cyclists. Here is an exception though. The roads are a death trap of highways. The "sidewalks" and "sidepaths" are supposedly part of the Bay Harbor Trail, fairly wide at parts, with long blocks, and not a ton of pedestrians (outside of Methadone Mile). Plus many of the quasi-highways are one-way going the wrong way. So, for those reasons, this is one of my rare stretches where I recommend opting for the pedestrian infrastructure rather than the auto-centric roads.
Thanks for the routing info, that's kind of what I had concluded, but was hoping I might be missing something. Philosophically, I completely agree with you about how to approach cycling and didn't like the idea of so much sidewalk riding, but you are probably right given the nature of the roads around that area. As others have suggested, my best bet might be to simply remain on the Shawmut peninsula and cross over by South Station. I do look forward, though, to the day, when I can bike all the way from Forest Hills to the Harbor Walk without any significant street riding. I'm comfortable with it, but out of town guests are never willing to ride with me in Boston because they fear our streets.
 

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