Blue Line extension to Lynn

Yes, there is an actual plan: https://www.massdot.state.ma.us/Por...s/PublicPrivate/BlueLineExtP3ScreeningRpt.pdf. The DEIS and Alternatives Analysis was conducted in 2011 with 4 different routing options screened and a cost range of $737M to $1.05B depending on which Alternative is chosen.


  • Alternative 3, the crossing of Diamond Creek Marsh to jump on the other side of Route 1A, required zero land takings.


  • Alternative 4, the BRB&L ROW with a slip-under of the Route 1A interchange in Point of Pines, required exactly 1 land-taking: Mirage, Inc. The Lynn side of the river would slip behind the strip of Lynnway car dealerships, then turn towards the Eastern Route and meet up with it behind Atlantic Toyota. The encroaching apartment towers would be a problem, but they encroached on MBTA property so nothing gets taken even if the tracks go right up alongside the buildings.

I don't know what Alt. 2 was or which route--Eastern or BRB&L--it followed, since the full report has disappeared. Alt. 1 was most likely "no-build", as Alt. 1's usually are.


On any modified alignments, there are only these potential land-takings:

  • If the marsh is an EIS nightmare or cost-bloater because of the trestle that would have to be built, going 2 blocks further would require 1 land-taking: a 40 ft. strip of Rent-a-Tool's parking lot. They'd lose exactly 1 toolshed, and can be compensated by gifting more asphalt for generator storage in back on a sandy strip that used to be a freight siding. No actual business displacement involved.
  • The BRB&L ROW can potentially shave cost of bridge construction by choosing to curve across the narrower river inlet containing the power line causeway, then doubling-up with the Eastern Route on a 4-track fixed-bridge replacement for Saugus Draw. 1 land-taking required: G.J. Towing.
Note that Saugus Draw has 4-track abutments on either side. Both the original Eastern RR drawbridge and its current 1911 Boston & Maine replacement were designed to be doubled-up on those 4-wide abutments if the need arose for a twin bascule. The bridge needs a full replacement in the next 20 years because its piers are starting to sink in the silt and require temp fixes once every several years to compensate for the movement. Whenever they get around to it a new high fixed bridge will replace it just like Mystic Draw was replaced by the tall Somerville-Everett span in 1989. This will happen all the same whether there's just 2 tracks of commuter rail, 4 tracks of CR + BLX, or 2 tracks of commuter rail with 4-wide piers they can slap a second 2-track deck on when they're ready.






So...2 officially studied alternatives: 0-1 business displacements. Potential modified minor realignments otherwise matching Alts. 3 & 4 if cost-savers necessary: 0-1 business displacements.


"Substantial land-taking" is not true. Nor are the major bridge impacts true; Alt. 3 constructs one road overpass of 1A and nothing else, other than grabbing its slot on the commuter rail river crossing that has to be replaced anyway. That poster's claims are debunked hyperbole.

Alt 3 still would require a land taking of rent a tool (or some residential) property to replace the Oak Island Rd with a new Rd with an overpass of the tracks.

Yes, substantial land takings is hyperbole depending on the plan, but so is "zero".

Edit: also on alt 4. Or alternatives, you have to consider it a taking if you block access to someone's property. Cutting off people's parking would be a taking.
 
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New York City where it took 100 years to actually get the Second Avenue Subway's construction started.
 
This is absolutely right from what I have heard. A little while ago I posted pictures here of the ROW as it travels up from the northern edge of Revere Beach and enters the Point of Pines neighborhood. The pictures were taken looking south from the garage of the 1 Carey Circle condo complex, where my cousin used to live.

Based on the pictures, it looks like the 1 Carey Circle parking lot has completely encroached on/obstructed the ROW. And for the years there were rumors that the developer and Revere had done something shady in that regard--rumors easily reinforced by the abrupt obstruction the 1 Carey Circle garage poses. But again, I've been told it's exactly as you describe and everything's aboveboard.

Physically, though, if those route is chosen, how would the tracks be squeezed in on the east side of 1A without demolishing the Carey Circle garage? I'm reattaching my pictures.

The first one is looking due north, with Route 1A just off-frame to the left. That crushed gravel bed leading to the 1 Carey Circle garage complex/parking lot is, as best I can tell, the "shadowy outline" showing the ROW path.

The second one is from the exact same location, but having turned 180 degrees, looking due south. Pretty obvious that's the ROW barreling northward, squeezed in by Revere Beach blvd. to the east (left) and Route 1A to the west (right)!

Again, assuming what the developer did was totally legally--but given that things still look highly encroached-upon--what is the technical solution at this exact juncture?

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There is 0 chance that the route goes that far north. The least disruptive potential routes cut over before or at rent a tool
 
In Lynn, it looks like GE bought up the right of way when they expanded the Riverworks plant during WWII. .

I believe GE was one of the largest creditors owed money when the BRB&L shut down (the 1928 electrification of the line was done by GE), so they may have taken the land as part of the settlement with the trustees. GE also stored some of the electrical equipment stripped from BRB&L cars on Eastern Mass property at the bus garage in West Lynn after the cars were junked. The short-lived EMass busway along part of the right-of-way may have been part of an agreement with GE to use the right-of-way that they owned.

Excellent work documenting this, for many years a lot of people have been under the mistaken assumption that the MBTA or the state owned the right-of-way north of Revere St.
 
I completely forgot that GE did the electrification. That certainly explains how they gobbled up the ROW in Lynn.

A couple clarifications and notes.

The utility ROW is mostly about 110 feet wide north of Revere Street; the Blue Line ROW is only 30-40 in many locations south of Revere Street. Narrower points of the utility ROW are Revere Street to 354 RB Boulevard (~80 feet due to drainage channel), 354 RBB to Jack Satter House (40 feet), a short section near a couple ponds (47 feet), Mills Avenue jughandle (24 feet), Frank Avenue to Harrington Avenue (40 feet, with a ~2 feet incursion by the 1 Carey Circle Building), Harrington to 1A (29 feet), and past 1A (20 feet). The only real trouble spots for BLX would be the jughandle (reconfigurale), Carey Circle (reconfigure the parking garage access, might have to abandon a few condos which would be literally right next to train wheels), past Harrington (might have to take a few backyard slivers), and the 1A interchange and beyond (would require a BL flyover or a completely rebuilt interchange). There is a substantial amount of wetlands on the 1A side of the ROW; that more than the abutters would complicate reusing it for the Blue Line.

The proper name is Crystal Cove, not Winthrop Cove.

I believe the Eastern Mass only acquired Lynn Terminal and some section east of Commercial Street, for use as their new Lynn terminal. The land west of Commercial Street wouldn't have been any real use to them except, as you mentioned, as storage.
 
Alt 3 still would require a land taking of rent a tool (or some residential) property to replace the Oak Island Rd with a new Rd with an overpass of the tracks.

Yes, substantial land takings is hyperbole depending on the plan, but so is "zero".

Edit: also on alt 4. Or alternatives, you have to consider it a taking if you block access to someone's property. Cutting off people's parking would be a taking.

No, only Alt. 3 jumps the marsh soon enough to require a separation of Oak Island Rd. grade crossing. The residents may not like looking up at a 4-track overpass + embankment, but there is indeed plenty of room for all of it between the ROW fences. Zero land-taking and zero property-blocking is factually correct, not hyperbole. That's why it's an officially-studied alternative and the one the state unofficially prefers.



It's already been explained who owns the BRB&L ROW, so there is no taking of any private property if any short or lengthy portion of it is used. Including any of the apartment complexes that have parking lot easements across the ROW. Ocean Plaza Apartments and Jack Satter House don't have a right of refusal if National Grid has to block access to their parking areas for a construction project on those power lines. There's no complaint number to call to make the utility trucks stop blocking their driveway when the lines are being emergency-serviced after a storm; what's gotta be done has to be done. And if a major upgrade project has to dig up the easement or knock out the parking access longer-term for installation of new power equipment they can't tell National Grid to screw off, get the city to pass an ordinance blocking the utility from upgrading its own lines, and let a hyperlocal fiat harm the robustness of the power grid in 3 different cities. Utilities are regulated from on-high for a reason, and this is one of them.

What's one of the most common stress-inducers for being a home owner anywhere in the U.S.? Answer: when the town or utility has to dig up your front lawn for a sewer project cable trench, or put a dirt access road on the side to service some off-street water/electrical grid access point. And do it because their easement on your property says they have that perpetual legal right. It sucks...it's infuriating...it literally sends some homeowners to therapy over how much stress it induces. But there's almost nothing the homeowner can do about it unless the paperwork mapping out the easement is such a clusterfuck that nobody truly knows or can prove where the easement begins or ends. Otherwise...it's going to happen and the only thing to fight for is full and honest compensation for the disruption (e.g. making sure the town or utility competently replaces the trees/grass they cut down and sidewalk/driveway they chop up). This stuff goes on in every municipality of the state every day. It has to. Towns can't grow if the new housing subdivision a block over could be stopped dead from hooking up electricity/gas/running water because one homeowner has infallibly-affirmed legal precedent to block access through a utility easement in his yard. Even in NIMBYchusetts the inmates don't run the asylum to that extreme a degree.


And that's when it's the infrastructure having the easement from the landowner. It's even more cut-and-dried when the inverse is true. Utility companies are notoriously protective of their ROW's, even managing in a lot of New England to block access roads joining developments staring at each other across a 100 ft. strip of land. Or stymie potentially great trail connectivity by refusing to allow paths (even when their pre-built gravel access roads already make for de facto paths). Revere has been very lucky that National Grid has been relatively permissive about new easements on this corridor. Usually they're a lot more hostile to that.

So if it comes to a lateral conversion of infrastructure ROW property from transportation to utility and back to transportation again, the legal terms of those tenant easements don't change. This may not be a landbanked ROW with its railroad charter mothballed in perpetuity like several prospective trail and commuter rail corridors, but the property transfer carried all of that original charter's land ownership and easements intact to the present day for public infrastructure use. Going from one type of infrastructure use to the other doesn't turn the game on its head. Nobody's saying it won't be difficult to get BLX approved on any of these routings, because community input and permitting is what it is. But this notion that all abutters on a 2D Google Maps view are equally the same and equally capable of stopping it dead is incorrect.

That, in fact, is the hyperbole.


As with any public works project, mitigation horse-trading is what makes construction happen. It happens that way when there's real land-taking, like the Big Dig's massive slate of abutter mitigation measures. It happens that way when there's very little land-taking, like with the mainline portions of GLX. It can happen when there's zero/bupkis land-taking, like the thousands of feet in new sound walls erected on 128 in Dedham and Needham for the add-a-lane project. It can happen in mutually beneficial make-a-deal fashion, like the CSX/Beacon Park/Worcester land swaps or the Pan Am/Northpoint/Innerbelt land swaps. Ultimately when you construct a public works project in the name of public service, those public service considerations extend to the abutters' quality-of-life. It helps when the mitigation stays in balance and doesn't skew ridiculously in one direction, such as the pointless ransoming that warped the Greenbush Line construction to boondoggle proportions, but abutters are very much a public service constituency even when they don't suffer a single square inch's worth of property/property access loss or disruption in the public works project.

In this case, the zero property-taking Alt. 3 is probably going to have to do its due diligence on sound walls at the Oak Island Rd. grade separation, and a wide/clean sidewalk berth under the bridge that can catch some rays of sunlight underneath. That's only fair with how close the 4 tracks will come to the property lines, the embankment impacting privacy out of 2nd floor windows, the surge in train frequencies that'll come with it, and the need to minimize the 'wall' effect of erecting an overpass on that tight street. That's their public service consideration...in a zero property-taking scenario.

Any Alt. 4 or modified Alt. 3 trajectories that go through Oak Island will need to compensate the Satter House and Ocean Plaza Apartments for disrupted parking access. As a public service due diligence...not a property-taking, as those lots and lot access are on Nat'l Grid easements that Nat'l Grid has existing rights to disrupt. If Blue's going over or under Oak Island St., then an underpass on the embankment or overpass on the cut for Ocean Plaza's back lot and working out a +12 space expansion of the back lot for taking the strip of the front lot is reasonable 1:1 compensation on an easement the apartments don't own. The Satter House would need its 86-space lot reconfigured, especially if an Oak Island intermediate stop (appearing on many BLX plans dating back to 1945) is desired. A squat 2-3 story weather-protected parking garage off to the side with walkway straight to the rear lobby is appropriate public service compensation for loss of an easement they don't own. Sound walls on any elevated embankment ROW are reasonable here.

As I described with Rent-a-Tool in the "Alt"-Alt. 3 scenario, a 40 ft. strip of property-taking--yes, a real property taking--along Dashwood Rd. alley can be duly compensated by granting new easement to an even larger 450'x50' strip of land in the back where the old freight siding used to go. Perfectly capable of absorbing the only thing they use the displaced strip for: parking for approximately 20 electric generators on truck trailers which they lease out to construction companies. And grants them a free expansion of their property. It is hyperbole to call a net-gain of usable private business property an undue burden. If Rent-a-Tool (if they're even around by that point) freaks out about that, so be it; may have to dig a little deeper to satiate them. Unlikely, given that it's an opportunity for RaT to make more revenue on more tool storage on land they don't need to pay for...but possible. However, the state won't need to dig deep at all for the Oak Island Rd. grade separation and tight squeeze, so the challenges are relative. That's why they study minor modified alignments; to check those kinds of variables against each other.



Painting this in simplistic black-or-white is hyperbole. That's what I'm objecting to here. Not all abutters have the same property rights when easements (and who owns the easements) are thrown in. And feasible mitigation runs the gamut from onerous to neutral to outright beneficial for the abutters. If this gets revived for detailed study they'll itemize all the possibilities, all the possible modified alignments, all the compensation angles. And it'll become a matter of balancing the ledger on these variables to come up with the best value-for-money and value-for-public service.

About the only thing we can say with certainty is that the full BRB&L routing through Point of Pines is a lot more challenging and probably won't happen unless City of Revere exhibits pretty strong transit advocacy for a stop there. But we knew that long ago. There are no such absolute statements about the Eastern Route ROW or the multiple trajectories they could take to hop over depending on how the variables square. And nothing useful to glean from taking the flat-world view that every property is exactly the same and every property impact (including the indirect impacts) exactly the same.
 
No, only Alt. 3 jumps the marsh soon enough to require a separation of Oak Island Rd. grade crossing. The residents may not like looking up at a 4-track overpass + embankment, but there is indeed plenty of room for all of it between the ROW fences. Zero land-taking and zero property-blocking is factually correct, not hyperbole. That's why it's an officially-studied alternative and the one the state unofficially prefers.

The document you linked shows alt. 3 with a "New Oak Island Connector Street", which is where I was seeing the need to take just a bit of private property (not for the rail itself, but for the new road made necessary by eliminating the level crossing at Oak Island Road).
 
I would think that Baker would have financial incentive to extend this thing out to Salem (or Beverly). His property values would surely increase as his home would be within walking distance to a hypothetical Swampscott stop. Beverly and Salem both have very high commuter rail ridership (around 2k inbound in beverly and 2.5k inbound in Salem).
 
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Hopefully that's not a motivating factor. We can leave that sort of conflict of interest to a different administration.
 
I would think that Baker would have financial incentive to extend this thing out to Salem (or Beverly). His property values would surely increase as his home would be within walking distance to a hypothetical Swampscott stop. Beverly and Salem both have very high commuter rail ridership (around 2k inbound in beverly and 2.5k inbound in Salem).

He's 60 years old. Even if he were that corrupt, when you consider how long everything takes to get done, he wouldn't have much time to enjoy the gains.
 
If politicians building transit is a curse, may the Lord smite me with it.*


*I promise to be standing well-clear of Fall River/New Bedford and Deval Patrick's house in the Berkshires when smote.
 
Hopefully that's not a motivating factor. We can leave that sort of conflict of interest to a different administration.

Meh. Mr. Speakah's district overlaps a sliver of Revere Beach, Wonderland, and Oak Island from its comfy base in Winthrop. But it's not like "No revenue before reform" DeLeo gives a shit. He faxes a passive "Yes, we should build this" single-sentence letter to the minutes of every BLX meeting, and then continues on his merry way cockblocking every transpo revenue initiative in committee same as he always does. It's why we still have no coherent statewide transportation plan 3 years after Gov. Patrick's big home-run swing Transpo Bill. DeLeo gutted the funding, but all the magic pixie dust like Berkshire Rail stayed in the letter of the bill without the project prioritization ever being revamped for the final funding pot. We got electronic Pike tolling enacted, and then everything else has been "TBD" and outlook-hazy on a schedule because nobody ever took a stab at reconciling the discrepancy with a new strategic plan. Not just transit, but bread-and-butter things like "Fund new rapid bridge replacement program before current one expires: Yes/No/Punt?"

If the single most powerful person in MA politics, keeper of the purse strings, #1 beneficiary of campaign donations (heavily weighted to the construction industry), and inheritor of the coattails of 3 consecutive indicted predecessors can't see personal profit motive in it, then we're going to have to look elsewhere than some pol's greed and venality to build advocacy.
 
The MBTA and Fiscal Control Board missed an opportunity to support BLX on Monday.
It seems Revere has a ground lease from the T on some land adjacent to Wonderland Station to be used for TOD. They now want to convert that lease into a cash purchase to spur the development. http://mbta.com/uploadedfiles/About_the_T/Board_Meetings/3. Revere_Parcel H_12 5 16.pdf
Our friends in Revere, of course, wiped out the ROW in this area with other residential construction. If the city wants to develop these parcels in the current cycle, the FMCB should have pushed them - and hard - to make up for their past misdeeds and work on a very invasive recovery of the ROW or otherwise mitigating their shameless allowance of encroachment. In either case, it seems that the moment has passed to wring something out of an eager city and Revere skips off laughing while the own-source-revenue-no-matter-what T counts its pittance.
 
Yay! How 'bout that? A candidate who will be lucky to win the primary is proposing that every governor has been trying to champion since Gov. Frank Sargent. And he doesn't even know that this 4 1/2 mile extension will cost up to a billion dollars?
 
For the money it would still make sense to just build NS Link and then add some infill station in Lynn instead of the Blue Line.
 
so there's a partial row through here?

fuck bring the dozers.
 
Yay! How 'bout that? A candidate who will be lucky to win the primary is proposing that every governor has been trying to champion since Gov. Frank Sargent. And he doesn't even know that this 4 1/2 mile extension will cost up to a billion dollars?

Still cheaper than the GLX...
 
Yay! How 'bout that? A candidate who will be lucky to win the primary is proposing that every governor has been trying to champion since Gov. Frank Sargent. And he doesn't even know that this 4 1/2 mile extension will cost up to a billion dollars?

Exactly. Setti Warren is a hack. And even if he wasn't, he's the mayor of fucking NEWTON. Who cares what his opinion is? The legislature, which represents the whole state, votes on funding, so what the governor wants doesnt matter, unless the governor is especially adriot at negotiating. Setti Warren is no LBJ. Even if he won, nothing will happen.
 

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