Boston College Master Plan

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New master plan...

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I can guarantee that this one will be heading to the courts...
 
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"What's going to happen is that Allston-Brighton is going to turn into a college campus,"

Going to?! Where the hell have you been living? It's been like that for a long time. I hope the city doesn't give into these people, much like Columbia's Manhattanville expansion.

Recently elected City Councilor Mark Ciommo, who represents the Allston-Brighton district near Boston College, said in a statement that "our community is being squeezed by institutional expansion" and urged the college to heed community concerns during the review process.

So they are asking the college to think of others when they can only think about their own property?

I don't want to sound like I am only defending the college, the residents do bring up a good point about students. But the city and colleges need to expand to stay current.
 
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Going to?! Where the hell have you been living? It's been like that for a long time. I hope the city doesn't give into these people, much like Columbia's Manhattanville expansion.



So they are asking the college to think of others when they can only think about their own property?

I don't want to sound like I am only defending the college, the residents do bring up a good point about students. But the city and colleges need to expand to stay current.
In some cases its not about the students, but about lesser income folk, and higher income folk as well.

Harvard and the non-profit owners/operators of the Charlesview lower income housing project have agreed to replace it (as it is in deteriorating condition and Harvard wants the land) with a new project perhaps half a mile west on Western Ave. in Allston. (The new project will have more units, some of which will be sold as condos to working class families.) Below is an anonymous comment posted on a blogger's summary about the Charlesview sale.
I guess none of you in the coummunity care what happens when you have a 10 story buildings and six and five story buildings in your back yards with high end condos Facing all your homes casting shadows with High winds AND ALL THE CRIME THAT COMES WITH THIS MASSIVE PROJECT.
Belive me the Charlesview Board does not care for you or anyone elses they are going to do what ever they have TO. They have the approval from the BRA AND THE MAYOR OF BOSTON. They are just like Harvard University they will lie and cheat there way to the top weather you like it or not. There is a 90 day review of the Kmart and Charlesview sites they will be doing enviromentel reviews and impact reports. By the way Charlesview does not come under the Harvard Allston task force rules this will go under another review process within the coummunity. Good Luck to all.
 
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^ If you're a NIMBY you don't have to make sense.
 
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The entire city of Boston should just be handed over to the universities by eminent domain...it would knock out the issues of whiny anti-expansion NIMBYs and dull, contextualist architecture in one fell swoop.

I mean, at the current rate Boston will be one big campus anyway: why not expedite the process?
 
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This master plan seems a bit sloppy--the lower campus needs a focal point, a courtyard or lawn surrounded by academic buildings. Instead of building around those residential pods they should be utilizing this space as the new center of the lower campus and expand outward from it. If they want to save those pods because they are popular among students, I don't see why they cannot be moved to another part of the campus.
 
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Where would they go? The newly acquired archbishop's acreage? Can you imagine the neighbors' uproar then? "They want to put what there!? Two-story trailer homes!?"
 
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Where building 23 is proposed is one option; truth is, the only longterm solution is to do away with them all together.
 
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I think they were all removed in the original master plan. There isn't enough space for all of them where #23 is proposed. I don't know why they are keeping them in the new plan.

Anyways, hopefully i will be living in one next year :)
 
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Even the Boston Globe is supporting extra height instead of spreading out in their editorial "Not a good neighbor policy":

GLOBE EDITORIAL
Not a good neighbor policy

December 17, 2007

A$1.6 BILLION bid by Boston College to be ‘‘the world’s leading Catholic university and theological center’’ could add up to a 10-year headache for nearby residents in Brighton. College officials should be willing to adjust their ambitious vision if they hope to win local support and city approval for their plan.

From an institutional perspective, the BC master plan covers all the bases: new academic centers; an attractive student center and recreation complex; laboratories; playing fields; fine arts complex, and new dormitories for undergraduates. The expansion, which would increase the size of the campus by more than 50 percent, would clearly put BC in a good position to compete for the best students and faculty for many years ahead. But what is good for BC is not necessarily good for its neighbors.

The element of the plan that deserves the most attention from the Menino administration —which needs to approve the required permits — is BC’s bid to house 500 undergraduates across Commonwealth Avenue on what BC is now calling its ‘‘Brighton campus’’ — land the college bought from the Archdiocese of Boston. The site, bounded mostly by Lake and Foster streets, seems well-suited for the proposed museum, fine arts district, playing fields, and new School of Theology and Ministry. But by pushing undergraduate dormitories closer to residential areas, the college is stirring suspicion. The students have a well-earned reputation for hard drinking and loud partying, not ways to endear themselves to neighbors.

BC’s president, the Rev. William Leahy, points to a buffer zone of trees between the two proposed dorms and homes on Lake Street. But he is unwilling to pledge that the buffer zone will remain a permanent fixture. Such a stiff-necked approach is likely to invite the same inflexible attitude on the part of neighbors.

BC deserves a lot of credit for its intention to bring hundreds of students now living in residential neighborhoods back onto campus. Too many students can destabilize a community. Wisely, Leahy even wants to ban BC students from living in one-and two-family houses. But BC does not make a convincing case why the shift can’t occur on its existing campus south of Comm. Ave.

The master plan calls for the construction of at least two new, four- or five-story dorms on that end of the campus. Adding a few more stories to those buildings and maximizing the use of land now occupied by outmoded modular housing units could lessen or even eliminate the need for student housing on the new Brighton part of the campus.

BC wants its students back on campus. Bostonians want that, too. But the college can’t merely expand the boundaries of the campus and declare victory.
 
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Getting to the point where you satisfy all of the people none of the time. I love the insinuation that BC will be putting fertilizer down on field turf.

Threats taint BC dorm debate

By Andreae Downs, Globe Correspondent | January 27, 2008

The emotional debate over Boston College's plan to expand to former archdiocese land in Brighton has been muddied by anonymous online threats posted in the last two weeks against neighborhood activists.

Thomas Keady, BC's vice president for government relations, denounced the threats, which he said made his job - getting the expansion plans approved - more difficult.

"We are willing as an institution to cooperate with the Boston Police Department, and the BC police and administration are investigating," he told neighbors at an Allston Brighton Task Force hearing on Tuesday. "I never thought I would be coming here to discuss death threats."

The threats and other offensive comments have been taken down from the Web. One blog that allegedly registered anti-Semitic and sexist comments against one neighbor has been closed to the public. And a blog of neighbors who oppose BC's expansion has been closed to nonmembers because of the number of hateful postings it received.

A few posts calling anyone who opposes BC's plans "whiners" and worse remain at the Allston Brighton TAB site. University officials stressed that the blogs are not affiliated with the school, and that if the offending comments can be traced to BC students, officials will take disciplinary action.

Since Boston College submitted its Institutional Master Plan in early December, the Boston Redevelopment Authority and the Allston Brighton Community Task Force, an advisory body of BC neighbors, have collected public reactions.

Neighbors at the hearing last week registered unanimous opposition to BC's proposal to house 500 undergraduates in two dorms on the former St. John's Seminary land, which BC is calling its "Brighton campus."

Neighbors want the university to house more or all of the estimated 1,200 students who live off-campus. But they also oppose dorms for 490 on Shea Field, which they argued is too close to the Chestnut Hill Reservoir, and many oppose a 420-bed dorm at More Hall on Commonwealth Avenue, at St. Thomas More Road. BC's plans call for dorms no higher than five stories, meaning that more land would be needed.

"This is moving open space from the Brighton campus to the Chestnut Hill site," said neighbor Charlie Vasiliades. "We've accepted enough changes at St. John's. Why not make the Chestnut Hill dorms six to nine stories instead?"

Most at the meeting suggested more students be housed at the one other site for which BC has proposed additional dorms - where 24 temporary structures, called modulars, sit in the center of the Chestnut Hill campus. Another idea was to retain the 790-bed Edmonds Hall, which BC wants to replace with a recreation complex.

BC officials said the plan does not include additional student housing, but instead for half the modulars to be replaced with two dorms housing the current number of students and the other half to be replaced with a university center to be built in 20 years.

The Chestnut Hill campus houses 6,000 undergraduates, according to BC spokesman Jack Dunn. He said neighbors in recent years have lodged no complaints about students who live on campus, but have asked that no additional housing be placed on the campus.

"People living near the Brighton campus are now saying they don't like the idea of students living" on the Brighton campus, he said.

Neighbors cautiously welcomed a plan for housing graduate students at the far east point of the Brighton campus - on the other side of Foster Street - and two BC proposals that are not yet part of the master plan: to help staff purchase homes in Allston and Brighton with some kind of mortgage assistance, and to prohibit off-campus students from living in one- and two-family homes (which some said should also extend to three-families).

Last week's discussion followed a Jan. 8 session on BC's proposed athletic facilities, including a fully lighted, 1,500-seat baseball stadium and 100,000-square-foot field house. Neighbors raised questions about the effect of night games, traffic, and lights on houses, and possible chemical runoff from artificial turf planned for many of the fields.

The following week, the topics were traffic, transit, and parking. BC discussed possible changes to the intersection of Commonwealth Avenue, St. Thomas More Road, and Lake Street, where there are chaotic turning patterns and pedestrians crossing busy roads to get to the BC MBTA stop.

The university discussed plans to move that stop to a center platform farther east on Commonwealth, which it would allow the city and MBTA to widen by giving up 11 feet on either side of the street.

Neighbors asked the university for more detailed studies of each proposed change, and noted that the task force needs a traffic specialist to analyze data.

"It's premature to comment about what we think is good or not," said Frank Tramontozzi, a Brighton resident who is also chief engineer at MassHighway. "We have no information from traffic studies about existing conditions, how traffic would look in the future without development, and how traffic would look with development. BC should provide the task force with the tools it needs."

Others questioned whether BC had planned enough parking. The plan calls for 500 more spots in a garage on the new campus, but neighbors said an expanding workforce may bring even more workers to the campus. On the other hand, Fred Salvucci, a Brighton resident and transit specialist at MIT, noted that "parking lots are fertility drugs for cars."

The final task force hearing in this round, on open space and academic uses, begins at 6:30 p.m. Tuesday at Brighton Marine Health Center at 77 Warren St.

The BRA will compile comments and questions submitted before the public comment period ends Feb. 5, and give BC a summary. The university will file a response, setting off another round of public comment.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/01/27/threats_taint_bc_dorm_debate/?page=2
 
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This has become a huge grandstanding event for the neighbors. They don't want any new dorms where there are no dorms already. Having gone to the meetings, while some changes to the plan have already been made, these people are going to be unhappy when it's all built.

There are two 'neighbors' who stand against the entire project (one who lives in Cleveland Circle, the other in Brighton Center) who took some posts from EagleInsider.com's message board (mostly football fans) and decided to use it as leverage against BC. Really messy. It'll be nice when this is all done and BC can start building.
 
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From what i have heard, besides those residents on foster and lake st. the rest of Brighton mildly supports bc. Are you talking about eva webster and something pahre?

Anyways, what changes have been made? I think there is a good chance that everything on brighton will be built besides the dorms.
 
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They moved the dorms closer to the new entrance on the Brighton property and changed some building footprints. I think there was more, but I missed a couple meetings. Yes, those are the two, but you are right that much of Brighton supports us in our institutional expansion, as long as it helps Brighton by encouraging the slumlords sell the houses back to families.
 
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So did these Nimby's around Brighton think that BC was going to leave the land they bought from the diocese untouched. B/c that is more or less what it seems like. And some of their concerns, regarding chemical run off for artificial turf, are such a joke. I swear Boston Nimby's really think 2 things. First that they don't live in a city that has allways had traffic, shadows, and college kids. And two, that they own more than their split, home, condo, appartment. I think if BC built everything according to their plan, Brighton would not go to hell in a hand bag. Really most residents lives would not be affected at all. If anything it would help the area get more college kids in dorms and also create some more jobs. But maybe having more workers driving down "their streets" is also a major concern for people with nothing better to worry about.
 
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more than you know, more than you know GW...
 
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Fred Salvucci's litany of issues / complaint is 14 pages long. And I think he lives near the former archdiocesan seminary acquired by BC

Roadway to gridloclk? Ex-transit czar wants BC to shift gears
By Scott Van Voorhis | Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Fred Salvucci, the former state transportation czar and Big Dig mastermind, is taking aim at Boston College?s ambitious expansion plans.

Over traffic, naturally.

Salvucci, a long-time resident of Brighton, contends that BC?s expansion plans, recently unveiled in preliminary form, would trigger ?traffic gridlock? in parts of his neighborhood, which he says are already increasingly congested.

?Any increase in traffic generation caused by BC?s expansion is likely to result in gridlock in nearby congested areas such as Cleveland Circle, Brighton Center, Chestnut Hill Avenue, Foster Street, Lake Street, Beacon Street,? Salvucci wrote in a letter to the Boston Redevelopment Authority, which was posted on a local blog, Universal Hub.

Now a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Salvucci is calling on BC to dramatically revamp its initial $1.6 billion expansion proposal, half of which would be spent on new buildings and various renovation projects.

BC wants to expand onto a sprawling tract of Brighton land that had served for years as the headquarters for the Archdiocese of Boston.

But Salvucci, a civil engineer who was transportation secretary in the Dukakis administration, contends the college?s expansion north of Commonwealth Avenue would make a congested situation in Brighton worse.
Instead, the MIT transportation guru argues BC should focus on building up its established Chestnut Hill campus, keeping its expansion to the south of Commonwealth Avenue.

Salvucci?s comments come on the heels of a recommendation by a community task force urging changes to BC?s proposed 10-year master plan.

The Boston Redevelopment Authority is now reviewing BC?s plans and is expected to make some initial recommendations as early as this week.
But Jack Dunn, a spokesman for Boston College, defended the proposal, contending, in a statement, that it was ?created with the assistance of the nation?s premiere architectural firm. We feel this plan is in the best interest of Boston College and the neighborhood we have been a part of for the past 96 years.?

Salvucci, who could not be reached for comment, offers up his own detailed alternative for BC?s expansion.

BC should bargain with City Hall to transfer its development rights from the archdiocese property across Commonwealth Avenue to its Chestnut Hill campus, giving it the leeway to put all of its new student housing there. BC should limit parking, and encourage T use through subsidized passes for students.

?Contrary to popular belief, parking facilities do not reduce traffic; they generate it,? Salvucci writes.

He also contends that plans for a new pedestrian overpass over Commonwealth Avenue is a bad idea, and could become a magnet for crime and oher problems.

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1074491
 
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Yeah, that footbridge is sure to attrack the lesser dregs of society....:rolleyes::rolleyes:.

Brighton effectivly wants to ban any and all student activity from brighton land. These people don't use reason in their arguments. They want students out of the neighborhoods, yet they oppose dorms on brighton and shea field.

There is not going to be an increase in students, and there is not going to be an increase in students allowed to have cars. BTW, bc provides a shuttle to the Dline. Maybe the MBTA should focus on not having the bline take 60mins to reach gov center.
 

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