BU Development Thread

I know what the plan is, Ive also spoken to deans. The problem is, it's not a very good plan. There are very few classrooms in west campus, most of the classrooms and labs are closer to Kenmore Square. It doesnt make sense to have all housing plans be in west campus and all classroom expansion plans to be in east campus. Although it does answer the question of why BU wants a 7th green line stop (at the BU bridge)

I'm not so sure about that. The truth is that BU has a wide array of housing across campus; sure, recent residential development occurs on West Campus (aside from the graduate tower on East). It should be no surprise the reason for this is limited land supply. It would make even less sense to not cluster colleges and classrooms at BU Central/East.

BU also isnt that great at planning for student needs. They opened the brand new Stuvi 2 with no real plan for how to feed the 500 students that wouldnt have access to a kitchen. Previously, these students ate in one of the 4 east campus dining halls.

Their last minute plan (really, it wasnt finalized until around May) involved opening some sandwich shop and adding an hour of service to an already overcapacity dining room.

I can see that student "needs" is still a hot topic at BU -- sure was when I was there, and that was before 20+ story luxury dormitories!
 
What became of that big rotary, Trafalgar Square thing that was kicking around a couple of years ago?
 
I'm not so sure about that. The truth is that BU has a wide array of housing across campus; sure, recent residential development occurs on West Campus (aside from the graduate tower on East). It should be no surprise the reason for this is limited land supply. It would make even less sense to not cluster colleges and classrooms at BU Central/East.



I can see that student "needs" is still a hot topic at BU -- sure was when I was there, and that was before 20+ story luxury dormitories!


For the first point, limited land supply is not the reason. BU is littered with surface parking lots. 2 at Kenmore, 2 across from Warren, one giant one by the BU bridge, and the underused guitar center area.


For the second point, a 20 story luxury dormitory is the perfect example of BU ignoring student needs. Housing was needed, yes, but nobody needs a luxury dorm, but they built it because it sells better during tours. Meanwhile, necessities like computer labs get shut down (including the very lovely computer lab that was in stuvi 1).
 
Why do they need a computer lab? Aren't laptops a requirement in most schools now?
 
For the first point, limited land supply is not the reason. BU is littered with surface parking lots. 2 at Kenmore, 2 across from Warren, one giant one by the BU bridge, and the underused guitar center area.

Yes, limited land supply is the reason -- several parking lots remain in BU's possession and they must build on them based on the needs of the entire University, including the student population but not limited to.
 
Why do they need a computer lab? Aren't laptops a requirement in most schools now?

And if you can afford to go to BU, then I'd guess you can afford a laptop, too. That said, most schools I've looked at have specialized computer labs. Case in point: architecture. Most first year students don't need to drop the cash on a high powered rendering computer or the software required for them, so they use architecture labs.
 
What became of that big rotary, Trafalgar Square thing that was kicking around a couple of years ago?

I remember there was a passing mention in the Daily Free Press when it was talking about air rights plans about it, it died because a giant rotary of non-stop fast moving cars doesn't sound too enticing.

For the first point, limited land supply is not the reason. BU is littered with surface parking lots. 2 at Kenmore, 2 across from Warren, one giant one by the BU bridge, and the underused guitar center area.

I recall there only 1 at Kenmore, the one next to the Kenmore Classroom Building, but I recall also that Boston probably won't like more students approaching Kenmore. I recall there's only one diagonally away from Warren, that is reserved for a future Computer Science Building. I don't know why they haven't started yet, word is that the CS department already have the money, but the administration have not give them the rights to the parking lot.

For the second point, a 20 story luxury dormitory is the perfect example of BU ignoring student needs. Housing was needed, yes, but nobody needs a luxury dorm, but they built it because it sells better during tours. Meanwhile, necessities like computer labs get shut down (including the very lovely computer lab that was in stuvi 1).

Every school in the country building dorms is making them luxury now. It may not excuse BU, but there is demand. Ask those guys at StuVi2 what they think of it. From the people I know, if it wasn't there, they would have went off campus, not east campus.

As for the computer labs, I have a larger grip about the print quota. There still about 2 -3 computers in the former labs that does the job of quick needs (printing, looking up stuff, etc.) I hate to admit it, but every conversation about the lost labs, we all cannot deny we use it more for Facebook than research or writing papers. Though I will admit that once in a way, there's somebody whose laptop broke, but they are too few to justify a large lab. From from a cost to payoff perspective, its aid to student productivity is on the lower end, and they know it. I will admit that they should at least keep some labs on the far end of campus.
 
^And don't forget, BU has setup computer stations all over campus for the single purpose of students being able to check email, facebook, whatever they want. So sure, they've consolidated the large computer labs, but they've also made it easy to walk up to a computer station anywhere on campus for personal use. They were just being installed as I graduated, and I thought they were fantastic, a much better alternative to the library (which had a large recent expansion of it's computer facilities) or the computer lab.
 
Why do they need a computer lab? Aren't laptops a requirement in most schools now?

I dont know about you, but most people cant afford every single software program that they might need for class, especially computer science. When I was a student, I needed the labs for photoshop, also extremely expensive.

The labs were also used as study lounges. I spent a few nights at the lab at Cunnington, even at 3am, there were 50 plus students there. BU now offers NO 24 hour study areas outside of dorms.

South Campus (across the pike) HAD only one common facility: the computer lab. Now they have nothing. No study lounge, no communal area. Ok, if you count the laundry rooms....


The printing quota is also retarded. They went from unlimited (with faculty approval) to 150. That doesnt make sense, especially because they gave the faculty no time to adjust their courses to require less printing. My last semester at BU, I had to print so much that I applied for two quota extensions.


^And don't forget, BU has setup computer stations all over campus for the single purpose of students being able to check email, facebook, whatever they want. So sure, they've consolidated the large computer labs, but they've also made it easy to walk up to a computer station anywhere on campus for personal use. They were just being installed as I graduated, and I thought they were fantastic, a much better alternative to the library (which had a large recent expansion of it's computer facilities) or the computer lab.

Once again, devised for tours, not for students. Sure, checking facebook between classes might be a fun way to waste time. It's not necessary at all. You can't write a paper at a computer station after your laptop breaks and takes 2 weeks to get repaired. You can't use dreamweaver at a computer in a hallway.


The worst part is, it was called a cost saving measure. I'd like someone to explain to me how retiring 1,000+ computers that worked perfectly fine and buying new server based computer stations saved any money.

Worse, they called it a green measure (for the printing). Last I checked, it was greener to use a high capacity laser printer than have each student using a desktop inkjet printer which creates huge waste. Then again, this is the school that claims StuVi2 could be LEED certified....but they just didn't want to go through the certification process....but trust them, the building is totally up to standard.
 
I dont know about you, but most people cant afford every single software program that they might need for class, especially computer science. When I was a student, I needed the labs for photoshop, also extremely expensive.

There's the computer science lab and it had photoshop and other important software (the print quota is unlimited also, but that a cs dept thing).

The labs were also used as study lounges. I spent a few nights at the lab at Cunnington, even at 3am, there were 50 plus students there. BU now offers NO 24 hour study areas outside of dorms.

Hate to be an apologetic, especially since the mindset ingrain is to bash BU as much as possible, but I stayed up a few nights at Cummington too, pass 3, I was the only one there. I hate to admit it and as nice as it was, hard to justify keeping the entire lab open for me. Though I still agree, the library should be made 24 hours, at the minimum, open to 3:30, after that, I'm the only one there. Plus, it's the standard other schools set.

South Campus (across the pike) HAD only one common facility: the computer lab. Now they have nothing. No study lounge, no communal area. Ok, if you count the laundry rooms....

I don't think that lab is that big of a loss, I doubt it foster much community, but then again, I only used the lab twice. So I'll have to say valid point, South Campus could use some kind of central area and something to attract South Campus people to foster a community feeling. Obviously, laundry rooms don't count.

The printing quota is also retarded. They went from unlimited (with faculty approval) to 150. That doesnt make sense, especially because they gave the faculty no time to adjust their courses to require less printing. My last semester at BU, I had to print so much that I applied for two quota extensions.

Yeah, I wish the print quota is raised back up more. You know, making a case-by-case system of quota extensions that actually consider the cases does sound a good idea though.

Once again, devised for tours, not for students. Sure, checking facebook between classes might be a fun way to waste time. It's not necessary at all. You can't write a paper at a computer station after your laptop breaks and takes 2 weeks to get repaired. You can't use dreamweaver at a computer in a hallway.

As said above, specialty software is provided by the departments. There's dreamweaver at the cs lab too. There's other labs that are provided for other majors too (just yesterday I walked pass some kind of lab for bio med engs or something like that was for graphics). Also again, the lab we lost, wasn't really used for dreamweaver anyway.

The worst part is, it was called a cost saving measure. I'd like someone to explain to me how retiring 1,000+ computers that worked perfectly fine and buying new server based computer stations saved any money.

One I know for sure that BU tries to be, is trying to be cheap. A few dozen sever based computer stations is cheaper than 1000+ 10-year old computers. They'll save more only maintaining powering the few computers in the new study lounges. Hell, those computers weren't working so perfectly fine either. You telling me that shutting down the lab was just a way to screw with students just for the fun of it?

Worse, they called it a green measure (for the printing). Last I checked, it was greener to use a high capacity laser printer than have each student using a desktop inkjet printer which creates huge waste. Then again, this is the school that claims StuVi2 could be LEED certified....but they just didn't want to go through the certification process....but trust them, the building is totally up to standard.

Unlike the above, this is true and ridiculously stupid. I don't like BU taking our labs for cost-cutting, but at least that reason is honest and reasonable. Hiding behind the green banner is BS. They probably said that to look better, but it only make them look like liars.
 
Many moons ago there was a plan to erect a signature tower at the BU bridge. As I recall, the idea was to provide BU with an icon and the city with a gateway structure. (I bet someone among us has pictures.) Thought the idea good then. Still do.
 
Many moons ago there was a plan to erect a signature tower at the BU bridge. As I recall, the idea was to provide BU with an icon and the city with a gateway structure. (I bet someone among us has pictures.) Thought the idea good then. Still do.

God, that was ages ago, in the early 80's I believe. It would have been 40 stories tall if I remember correctly and built on the site of the old Sargent building. That was back in the Dark Ages BI (before internet). I may have a pic/drawing in an old alumni magazine. If I find it, I will scan it and post here.
 
^The new master plan calls for a tower at the BU Bridge, but over the pike air rights.
 
Re: the Kenmore building

"This building sit in our real estate portfolio as a commercial building and we have no plans for ever converting it to an academic facility. There are no plans for either renovation or replacement. We really believe that Kenmore Square should be focused on commercial and retail uses."
 
We really believe that Kenmore Square should be focused on commercial and retail uses.

Of which, 90% of the building currently serves neither.
 

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