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whighlander said:
Kent,

Lita is just NMwatch in drag

There is no relevant substance in her comment -- Corporations are the city -- well ok some are Sole Proprietorships or LLC's -- she just as NMwatch should be down at the Dewey Occupation sitting in the sign tent drawing signs
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I wish these NIMBYs would occupy a highway.
 
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Vivian Li's maiden name was Newdick? :)
 
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I think the saddest part of this whole Letter to the Editor ordeal is that we can't actually tell if this letter is a joke because this is the kind of NIMBYism this city is being accustomed to. They use these absolutely bogus arguments and reminisce of the olden days, when things in reality weren't as pleasant as they remember.
 
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datadyne007 said:
I think the saddest part of this whole Letter to the Editor ordeal is that we can't actually tell if this letter is a joke because this is the kind of NIMBYism this city is being accustomed to. They use these absolutely bogus arguments and reminisce of the olden days, when things in reality weren't as pleasant as they remember.
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I'm sure she is real and probably lives in the South End next to this park:

http://southend.patch.com/listings/hiscock-park
 
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The view from Dartmouth never looked as she describes. It's a fake.
 
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Could be someone in Tent City trying to be two NIMBYs at once. Afterall, descending down Dartmouth towards the BPL? Shows limited experience and knowledge, which could be someone who's been living in Tent City for years, and they're making up these personas in order to have "more" voices on their side.
 
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Just received this email this morning:

Copley Neighbors Meeting
Hosted by Tent City Residents’ Alliance
Dow Room, 130 Dartmouth Street, Boston, MA 02116

Wednesday, November 30th, 2011, 6:30 – 8:00 pm

Meeting purpose - to work on the details of possible legal action, to follow-up the
BRA Board hearing and vote, and to discuss the
December 14th Boston Zoning Commission hearing (and vote).

RSVP appreciated to CopleyNeighbors@Gmail.Com

Thanks!
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LOL, legal action. Sheesh. These jokesters...
 
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Because people in subsidized housing really should have significant pools of disposable income to bankroll frivolous lawsuits. Let them go head an sue. A little financial discovery on those filing the lawsuit and a good number of them probably will be booted from Tent City for violating the income eligibility requirements.

The entitlement crowd, at both ends of the spectrum: the supposedly poor living off professionally gaming government assistance and the hyper rich used to getting whatever they want, often seem to have no concept of overreach coming back to bite them in the ass.
 
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Lurker said:
Because people in subsidized housing really should have significant pools of disposable income to bankroll frivolous lawsuits. Let them go head an sue. A little financial discovery on those filing the lawsuit and a good number of them probably will be booted from Tent City for violating the income eligibility requirements.

The entitlement crowd, at both ends of the spectrum: the supposedly poor living off professionally gaming government assistance and the hyper rich used to getting whatever they want, often seem to have no concept of overreach coming back to bite them in the ass.
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Almost can guarantee that the CLF / lawyers guild crowd is behind this
 
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Lurker said:
I'm a South End resident 100% for this project. And unlike the many freeloading residents of Tent City, which when it was built didn't seem to give a shit about dumping shadows on MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I pay taxes to support municipal services. Don't give me this shit about 1% exploiting the 99% regarding this project. It's hard to exploit people that never produced nor contributed anything in the first place.
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At the BRA hearing that undemocratically approved this project, over 90 percent of the South End and Back Bay residents who spoke opposed this project. About 99 percent of the residents of Tent City are either working market rate tenants, working moderate-income or retired moderate-income elderly or disabled tenants (including some disabled U.S. military veterans), or low-wage workers or retired low-wage workers or disabled workers-- not "freeloading residents" or part of the 1% of South End residents who have made a lot of money in recent years by either financial/real estate speculation/investment activity or by exploiting middle-class consumers and low-wage workers, taking advantage of tax law loopwholes or receiving corporate welfare grants from city, state or federal government entities.

The amount of shadow created by the Tent City apartments is much less than what has been created by the Westin Hotel or what will be created by the Neiman Marcus Tower if it's allowed to be constructed. More taxes to support municipal services (property taxes, sales taxes) are probably paid collectively by the Back Bay residents who oppose this project and collectively by the South End residents who collectively oppose this project than by an individual South End resident like yourself. And, ironically, if you're a homeowner in the South End, your assessed property taxes will likely increase dramatically if the Neiman Marcus Tower is allowed to be built (in violation of the existing zoning laws for your neighborhood).

Members of the Indianapolis-based Simon family (like Simon Property Group CEO David Simon) actually obtained their surplus wealth not by producing or contributing anything to people in Boston, but by inheriting their $2 billion in family wealth from a father, Melvin Simon, who mainly relied on borrowed money from Wall Street banks to purchase the shopping malls that other firms had originally built (utilizing the labor, in many cases, of underpaid construction workers).
 
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Neimanmarcuswatch said:
At the BRA hearing that undemocratically approved this project, over 90 percent of the South End and Back Bay residents who spoke opposed this project. About 99 percent of the residents of Tent City are either working market rate tenants, working moderate-income or retired moderate-income elderly or disabled tenants (including some disabled U.S. military veterans), or low-wage workers or retired low-wage workers or disabled workers-- not "freeloading residents" or part of the 1% of South End residents who have made a lot of money in recent years by either financial/real estate speculation/investment activity or by exploiting middle-class consumers and low-wage workers, taking advantage of tax law loopwholes or receiving corporate welfare grants from city, state or federal government entities.

The amount of shadow created by the Tent City apartments is much less than what has been created by the Westin Hotel or what will be created by the Neiman Marcus Tower if it's allowed to be constructed. More taxes to support municipal services (property taxes, sales taxes) are probably paid collectively by the Back Bay residents who oppose this project and collectively by the South End residents who collectively oppose this project than by an individual South End resident like yourself. And, ironically, if you're a homeowner in the South End, your assessed property taxes will likely increase dramatically if the Neiman Marcus Tower is allowed to be built (in violation of the existing zoning laws for your neighborhood).

Members of the Indianapolis-based Simon family (like Simon Property Group CEO David Simon) actually obtained their surplus wealth not by producing or contributing anything to people in Boston, but by inheriting their $2 billion in family wealth from a father, Melvin Simon, who mainly relied on borrowed money from Wall Street banks to purchase the shopping malls that other firms had originally built (utilizing the labor, in many cases, of underpaid construction workers).
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About 99% of the comments posted on articles about this project in Boston.com voiced support for this tower. The city wants it, the majority wants it. The end.
 
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Neimanmarcuswatch said:
At the BRA hearing that undemocratically approved this project, over 90 percent of the South End and Back Bay residents who spoke opposed this project.

About 99 percent of the residents of Tent City are either working market rate tenants, working moderate-income or retired moderate-income elderly or disabled tenants (words words words yawn).

More taxes to support municipal services (property taxes, sales taxes) are probably paid collectively by the Back Bay residents who oppose this project and collectively by the South End residents who collectively oppose this project than by an individual South End resident like yourself.

And, ironically, if you're a homeowner in the South End, your assessed property taxes will likely increase dramatically if the Neiman Marcus Tower is allowed to be built (in violation of the existing zoning laws for your neighborhood).
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Yo. You can't make up statistics. Over 90% of all people who read fake statistics will ignore them, and about 99% of them will not believe you. Qualifying everything with adverbs such as likely and probably? What is that?

Come back with numbers or s.t.f.u. and troll somewhere else.
 
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The last laugh on NMW is that the building was approved, despite his labored innuendos. If it weren't so bad for the city, I'd almost hope that Simon Properties goes bankrupt a day or two after they complete the demolition, leaving a nice big hole in front of Tent City.
 
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Neimanmarcuswatch said:
Members of the Indianapolis-based Simon family (like Simon Property Group CEO David Simon) actually obtained their surplus wealth not by producing or contributing anything to people in Boston, but by inheriting their $2 billion in family wealth from a father, Melvin Simon, who mainly relied on borrowed money from Wall Street banks to purchase the shopping malls that other firms had originally built (utilizing the labor, in many cases, of underpaid construction workers).
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Ummmm...is there a point you're trying to make here? Are we supposed to be outraged that the Simons are not from Boston? Or was the mention of their father working with *gasp* Wall St supposed to be what made us all of a sudden turn on this project?
 
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Needless wrote -"At the BRA hearing that undemocratically approved this project, over 90 percent of the South End and Back Bay residents who spoke opposed this project. About 99 percent of the residents of Tent City are either working market rate tenants, working moderate-income or retired moderate-income elderly or disabled tenants (including some disabled U.S. military veterans), or low-wage workers or retired low-wage workers or disabled workers-- not "freeloading residents" or part of the 1% of South End residents who have made a lot of money in recent years by either financial/real estate speculation/investment activity or by exploiting middle-class consumers and low-wage workers, taking advantage of tax law loopwholes or receiving corporate welfare grants from city, state or federal government entities." .... and on and on

Needless -- Soo Soo Soory -- BUT Tenants just like hotel guests, college dorners and prisoners don't have any legal standing in matters concening development

A concept which you are unaquainted with -- Private Property is involved -- i.e. Owners of property bordering a development should have some right to complain -- but someone who just shacks-up -- not part of the equation in the Good Ol US of A -- even in Massachusetts and even in Boston / Cambridge

In otherwords -- if you don't like it and want to change it -- then you can go and ask Simon if you can BUY IT from them and then put up a large dog house
 
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LOL

Dear Copley Neighbors,

At our last meeting, Karilyn Crockett and I volunteered to coordinate outreach to like minded organizations for support, action and education. We are looking for your suggestions!

Several organizations have been suggested so far:
City Life Urbana (Steve Meacham?(
Safety Net (Klare and Alma, especially, have dealt with lots of "takeover issues" around whittier)
Chinese Progressive Association (lydia Lowe --- strong interest in housing issues)
YWCA (bc of strong antiracist message & neighborhood building at 140 Clarendon)
Community Church (building in shadow)
Occupy Boston (see if they will show up --- they don't respond to emails, but will if you go down there in person)

This note is to solicit suggestions from all of you: neighborhood associations, relevant politicians, local businesses, church groups, any organizations (or types of organizations) whom you think we should be in touch with.

Please send us one or two (or more) names as well as let us know if you know someone and/or would be interested in making the contact yourself. If you can, tell us why the particular organization or individual will be interested (as above). We will provide talking points.

Thank you!

Barbara Knecht
cell: 917-842-2722
12 Holyoke Street
Boston MA 02116

Karilyn Crockett
18 Holyoke Street
Boston MA 02116
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Last week, Governor Deval Patrick sent a letter to the editor of the Bay State Banner about the need for "politics of conviction" which welcomed comments and feedback.

http://www.baystatebanner.com/Letters-to-the-Editor56-2011-12-01

This is Mel's response which the Banner did not publish in its Letters to the Editor this week (at least in the online version), but Mel did add his letter as a comment to someone else's published response to Governor. Here is the text I copied from the Banner comments section:
I agree with the governors belief regarding the politics of conviction over convenience. Interesting because there is an issue that exemplified this very well
Conviction would mean in the instance of the Copley place extension that we would not allow the building of 318 units of segregated housing on public land. The developers have clearly indicated that they will not meet the original lease agreement for 25 percent affordability or the mayors mandate of 15 percent on site. Convenience is what the BRA. the state via the lease signed with The Department of Transportation under your leadership is acting on.
The Copley Neighbor have formed based on the conviction segregation is both a immoral and illegal.
We agree “with your statement “The affluent will continue to pursue their interests aggressively. The people have to stay involved if they are to have any chance at winning the battle.” Be assured we are informed and involved and will pursue the our conviction. I wrote the following about your inaugural as I listened to your acceptance speech.
"Notably, the most symbolic gesture was Patrick’s taking of his oath while placing his hand on the Mende Bible. The bible had been given to John Quincy Adams in appreciation for taking the cause of captive Africans recently arrived on the ship Amistad, having learned of their plight through a letter sent by one Kinte asking him to support their fight for freedom. Kinte and his African brothers and sisters refused to accept their lot and instead put their faith in a fellow human being by asking him to simply follow the law, adhere to his pledged oath, and to do the right thing. They believed in their convictions regardless of Quincy Adams’ skin color. Their unconquerable faith in due process triumphed, helping Kinte and his fellow captives win their appeal to freedom. Today, I believe we have witnessed a triumph too, that same faith in fellow human beings to do the right thing has helped the people of Massachusetts win too.
So we ask which side are you on Conviction or Convenience?
Please Reply to: susan klimczak <klimczaksusan@gmail.com>

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susan klimczak
assisting south end technology center @ tent city
assisting the learn 2 teach, teach 2 learn program
359 columbus avenue
boston, massachusetts 02116
tech center 617.578.0597
cell 617.817.2877
twitter @zackboston @learn2teachSETC
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What fucking world do these people live in. I'm ashamed that they live in this city, or that they even exist period.
 
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