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Copley Pl has Victoria's Secret, GAP and AE. Lower class residents are welcome to shop as long as they don't steal or cause trouble. Unfortunately, that often isn't the case with these "beautiful souls."
 
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I love this concept for this project but isn't Simon Property Group still in Bankruptcy?

#1 Lets just make sure they have the money to build this property.
 
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Who cares if it's filled with expensive stores. I lived on St Botolph when this was built. Went there on my lunch hour the day it opened. I've always liked this project even if I don't shop there.

I once bought something at William Sonoma that was on a wedding registry there. Tuesday I needed a certain type of pan for a diner I was cooking Tuesday night. Tried Shaw's, they didn't have it. Went to William Sonoma at Copley Place, it was $53 so I said not at that price. I then went to Crate & Barrel and plaid $26. Why should the fact that I don't shop at their stores be part of the decision making when there are plenty of other places in my price range.

I'm looking forward to this project for the life and vitality it will bring to the city and a great addition to the skyline. I expect to use Copley Place as I have for the past 25+ years, an interesting place to walk through.
 
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I should add, I hate Simons Malls. I'm shocked that in a high priced mall like Copley Place you are constantly bombarded with moving ads, even on the escalators
 
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I love this concept for this project but isn't Simon Property Group still in Bankruptcy?

#1 Lets just make sure they have the money to build this property.

Simon is thriving as #1 in the country. GGP is the one who is bankrupt.

Paul, your argument about ads makes no sense. Its a mall. Of course there will be advertising.
 
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I would expect at that price range you wouldn't be bombarded by ads everywere. Before Simons took over it was much more classier.
 
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I wonder what this will look like after the value engineering.
 
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I should add, I hate Simons Malls. I'm shocked that in a high priced mall like Copley Place you are constantly bombarded with moving ads, even on the escalators

If you didn't know the class of stores in Copley Place you would never guess it was a high-end mall. The cheezy water feature screams suburbia. I'm in Bangkok at the moment, and the newer malls here--even the less-affluent ones--put Copley Place to shame in terms of design and ambiance.

I haven't been to a lot of malls in Boston yet (still relatively new here and not much for malls) but I think the Pru Mall is quite pleasant--much better than Copley Place. I don't know if that's Simon's standard or just that Copley is old (I'm assuming it's about 20 years old to look at the interior finishes).
 
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Copley Place opened in 1984. It was not nearly as skewed towards the high end back then.
 
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If you didn't know the class of stores in Copley Place you would never guess it was a high-end mall. The cheezy water feature screams suburbia. I'm in Bangkok at the moment, and the newer malls here--even the less-affluent ones--put Copley Place to shame in terms of design and ambiance.

I haven't been to a lot of malls in Boston yet (still relatively new here and not much for malls) but I think the Pru Mall is quite pleasant--much better than Copley Place. I don't know if that's Simon's standard or just that Copley is old (I'm assuming it's about 20 years old to look at the interior finishes).

Tomb -- Copley Place regularly vies for the highest $ sales volume per sq. ft. in the US -- not bad for something which is nearly 30 years old (1983)

The combined Copley Place (75 shops + restaurants + 2 dept stores) and the Shops at Prudential (75 shops, restaurants, food court + 2 department stores) is located in nearly the ideal base for a very succesful mall (or malls including the Pru).

Connected via all-weather '"streets" and Gerbil Tubes you have:
1) Hynes Convention Center (specializes in high-end conferences, science/medical and high tech conventions. and technical trade shows)
2) Upscale office tennants in the connected towers (Copley Place, Pru, 101 Huntington, 111 Huntington) -- some of the highest rents pers sq ft in the US
3) the very up-scale residents in the Pru complex condos including the quite recent Belvedere and Mandarin Oriental Condos ($15 M on the top)
4) The Sheraton, Marriottt, Westin and Mandarin Oriental Hotels
5) Two large parking garages with thousands of spaces
6) Two subway stops and Back Bay railroad station (TCommuter Rail and Amtrack to NYC and Chicago)
7) High-end destination restaurant in the Top of the Hub
8) Tourist site in the Skywalk
9) and while not connected -- just around the corner or accros the street are more high-end hotel rooms and more high-end office space, and several iconic tourist venues (BPL, Trinity Church)

Yes -- the Copley Place Mall itself looks a bit dated (nearly 30 years old -- constructed in 1983) -- it has hardly changed on the macro-level since it opened except for the replacement of the theatre complex with restaurants and shops

I suspect that when the new tower is underway that Simon will do some work updating the public areas of the Copley Place Mall -- just as there was a major revamp of the Pru Complex when the Belvedere residences, 111 Huntington Office Tower and Mandarin Oriental Hotel and Residences were added to the Pru Complex
 
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I don't think Copley Place looks any different from opening day. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a revamp in the future.

When it opened the first floor was high end and the second floor was not. If I remember right they said they wanted the second floor to be more neighborhood oriented. I felt it was more about demand, this project was risky. Boston 2011 is very different from Boston 1983.

There was an multiplex movie theater with horrible sight lines and also a food court. There was a restaurant/night club on the second floor. I think it was called Boston Commons or something close to that. I saw Girls Night Out perform there many times.

Now that this tower seems to be a done deal i'd like to see at least one of the 4 office building built taller.
 
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Copley hasnt change structurally but there have been definite upgrades. Too bad they dont have the fountains running anymore...though I guess mall water is a bit too 1980s

The movie theatre was great and the lines were never that bad and the mall wasnt so unbearably upscale like it is now...
 
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I'll try to temper my hopes that this is a sign of things to come in the coming decade. While I realize the market dynamics are different, it's a strange to think that the the tallest residential tower in the city will be 47 stories, when where I live there are easily ten towers over 50 going up at this very moment, and more announced on a regular basis (the other day a 75-story tower to be built on an impossibly small wedge of land was announced).

Maybe this is the first baby step towards a few more 600-700 foot residential towers once the housing market is a bit more stable.

Glad to see that sanity is not completely gone from the development world. Any chance that this tower could be stubified? Or was this approval sort of a "good to go as-is" kind of thing?
 
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Dear Editor,

I remember before Copley Place was built in the early seventies, I often used to bicycle with my young daughter, Vivian, on the seat behind me across the Dartmouth Street Bridge next to Back Bay Station, and descend toward the Public Library. How it saddened me to see that exquisite emptiness filled by glittering shops, a hotel and restaurants, where crowds of tourists from everywhere come to pass and ignore one another as they taste the impersonal pleasures of commerce.

It seems commerce is never satisfied. How about ..."Occupy the Expansion?!"

-Lita Newdick

http://backbay.patch.com/articles/letter-boston-before-copley-place-f57e5f89#photo-6802374
 
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It would appear that Ms. Newdick is off her meds...
 
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I left her a comment. Hopefully she sees the dangers of her proposal.
 
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lol "New dick"

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wonderful...I've never heard a highway that severs urban neighborhoods described as "exquisite"...were the visible offramps "sublime," the crumbling jersey barriers "elegant"...what other ways can we distort the past in service of an obvious agenda?
 
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