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I look at that map and I don't buy it. The area showing the largest population decline in Roslindale, for example, is essentially the Arboretum. How many people have to move to get a large percentage change in a park? As for the rest of it, I suspect an under count by the census. Available metrics to an observer on the ground indicate a growing population in Roslindale. I see this by store front occupancy (near 100%), transit utilization, traffic density, and growing school populations. There is no obvious evidence of endemic foreclosures or abandoned property, and housing prices have not declined significantly.
 
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Wall Street-backed"?! The horror! They actually are open to investment garnered through public markets! Any Joe Schmo can simply invest his money in Simon or Nieman Marcus whenever he wants! Disgusting!

Ned Part II, if you're such a crusader for public accountability (which you seem to be less than you seem to be someone so worried about his view that he's willing to destroy hundreds of millions of dollars of investment in a new building and all of the jobs and rent-lowering additional housing supply that it would entail, not to mention the benefits that would accrue to the city's skyline and streetlife), wouldn't you feel that a company traded on "Wall Street" (i.e., a public market), with the accounting standards and openness to any individual's money that that entails would be preferable to having a privately owned company that can be less open about its finances and plans?


Response: Institutions (like Harvard University, pension funds, Wall Street investment banks and even foreign government-affiliated investment companies) own large chunks of stock Simon and Neiman Marcus's parent company. But most people who live in Boston who are part of the 99 percent don't have the option of attempting to enrich themselves by playing the stock market, since they either earn too little in wages or salaries, did not inherit any money from rich parents or have to spend most of their family income on shelter, food needs, etc. Realistically, only "Joe Schmos" who happen to be relatively rich can "simply invest his money in Simon and Neiman Marcus whenever he wants."

The jobs of construction workers in the USA have actually been destroyed more by the speculation and lay-off decisions/plant closing decisions and de-investment decisions of the Wall Street-backed firm corporate executives than by the proponents of a massive government-funded affordable housing construction program by public/non-profit developers in the 21st-century (which would quickly reduce the unemployment rate of 35 percent for example of Local 103 IBEW members, etc.). Most independent studies show that building unaffordable, luxury apartments in a neighborhood generally drives up rents and property taxes in neighborhoods like the Back Bay and South End, while building more affordable apartment units for low-income and moderate-income tenants in a given neighborhood while providing tax relief advantages for small homeowners reduces rents significantly (and, especially, if local rent regulation ordinances are also enacted).

As the Enron scandal and the sub-prime mortgage scandals on Wall Street indicated, accounting firms on Wall Street have been reluctant to blow the whistle on their Wall Street firm clients in the absence of tighter SEC regulations, even if the corporation is not just privately-owned but also sells stock to a small section of the "public." Non-profit real estate development and construction firms that are municipally-owned by all of the public (and not just by the minority of"the public" who are investors/speculators/developers) would be a more preferable way to both immediately rebuild the USA and more rapidly provide jobs for unemployed construction workers and unemployed architects in 2012.
 
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I thought your objection was over free housing and ada access? You need to pick your bull shit and stick with it.
 
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Negative. If you can't afford to even live here, then schools are not a priority, much less a factor in the conversation.

bb -- there are plenty of houses in Boston which are middleclass affordable

The problems is that they lie in neighborhoods and parts of neighborhoods where no middleclass family would want to live -- mostly because of schools, secondarily because of crime

Fix the schools and the middleclass will come willingly back and take back the existing city from the scum -- this will then in turn create a demand for more housing

You have to remember that just before WWII farmers were haying the Lexington Battle Green, the whole of Hartwell Ave was a pig farm, etc.

Lexington was a small commercial area on the original RT-128 surrounded by farms and large estates. But the GI Bill gave people the opportunity to buy a new house carved out of farm land -- people started to move to Lexington in the 1950's. The existing and new inhabitants of the town encouraged good schools, and the process snowballed with the population tripling and then nearly doubling again in 30 years.

The same can happen in Roxbury (it was once fashionable country living) and Dorchester -- some is already happening -- BUT with the execption of the exam schools the Boston Publc Schools are an absolute embarassment -- today its all about political correctness and busing for what?
 
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Response: Institutions (like Harvard University, pension funds, Wall Street investment banks and even foreign government-affiliated investment companies) own large chunks of stock Simon and Neiman Marcus's parent company. But most people who live in Boston who are part of the 99 percent don't have the option of attempting to enrich themselves by playing the stock market, since they either earn too little in wages or salaries, did not inherit any money from rich parents or have to spend most of their family income on shelter, food needs, etc. Realistically, only "Joe Schmos" who happen to be relatively rich can "simply invest his money in Simon and Neiman Marcus whenever he wants."

The jobs of construction workers in the USA have actually been destroyed more by the speculation and lay-off decisions/plant closing decisions and de-investment decisions of the Wall Street-backed firm corporate executives than by the proponents of a massive government-funded affordable housing construction program by public/non-profit developers in the 21st-century (which would quickly reduce the unemployment rate of 35 percent for example of Local 103 IBEW members, etc.). Most independent studies show that building unaffordable, luxury apartments in a neighborhood generally drives up rents and property taxes in neighborhoods like the Back Bay and South End, while building more affordable apartment units for low-income and moderate-income tenants in a given neighborhood while providing tax relief advantages for small homeowners reduces rents significantly (and, especially, if local rent regulation ordinances are also enacted).

As the Enron scandal and the sub-prime mortgage scandals on Wall Street indicated, accounting firms on Wall Street have been reluctant to blow the whistle on their Wall Street firm clients in the absence of tighter SEC regulations, even if the corporation is not just privately-owned but also sells stock to a small section of the "public." Non-profit real estate development and construction firms that are municipally-owned by all of the public (and not just by the minority of"the public" who are investors/speculators/developers) would be a more preferable way to both immediately rebuild the USA and more rapidly provide jobs for unemployed construction workers and unemployed architects in 2012.

Most of your posts make me irrationally angry, but this one just leaves me scratching my head. Were you TRYING to make a point here? Here is my "well thought out response" to your "well thought out argument".

uasehf lortg8isyhrf nvrunvurus lxtki ruxgu rlixudru IUGUGKOI sauirhreuo vrsi!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Is that because houses are abandoned (I don't see any such in Rozzie) or because larger families are being replaced by smaller ones?

Ron -- since the large Boomer families -- there has been a continual decrease in the size of families in most of the US (exception is the hispanics mostly in SW US and some of the newly arrived Asian imigrants) -- we are heading back to the small size families during the Great Depression

This seems to be a common trend among families of European decent -- both here and in Europe.

In Europe it is worse -- most countries have negative replacement rates (only barely growing or remaining constant due to imigration of non-Europeans)
 
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Most of your posts make me irrationally angry, but this one just leaves me scratching my head. Were you TRYING to make a point here? Here is my "well thought out response" to your "well thought out argument".

uasehf lortg8isyhrf nvrunvurus lxtki ruxgu rlixudru IUGUGKOI sauirhreuo vrsi!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I thought my posts made no sense. I'm still scratching my head?

What was the point to that post Niemanmarcuswatch?

#1 The politicans make the rules and approve the bailouts and stimilus
#2 Wall Street makes bets with the pulbic's money
#3 The Federal Reserve is a private institution that prints the American Currency through inflation and deflation borrowing based on interest rates.

Bottom line with this thread. This is a good project. If I was an NIMBYS I think they have some valid arguments that need to be justified. We defintely don't need 1 or 2 similiar problems in this location.

1. A filenes hole
2. Columbus ave disaster

But overall this project might send Boston down a different direction.
 
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You'd have to find migration statistics by race for Boston, but generally since 200, blacks have been moving back South from Northern cities. This is reversing what was a decades-long pattern that prevailed through much of the last half of the 20th Century.
 
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Coincidentally, one of Boston.com's most-emailed stories right now is about Boston census results for 2010.

Here's their article on Roslindale:

Between 2000-2010, Roslindale lost 1,671 residents, or 5.5 percent, leaving the neighborhood with 28,680 residents, according to figures the Boston Redevelopment Authority compiled from US Census data. Roslindale was one of four city neighborhoods that saw an overall drop in population.

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/roslindale/2011/04/census_data_roslindale_saw_hig.html
 
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Wall Street-backed"?! The horror! They actually are open to investment garnered through public markets! Any Joe Schmo can simply invest his money in Simon or Nieman Marcus whenever he wants! Disgusting!

Ned Part II, if you're such a crusader for public accountability (which you seem to be less than you seem to be someone so worried about his view that he's willing to destroy hundreds of millions of dollars of investment in a new building and all of the jobs and rent-lowering additional housing supply that it would entail, not to mention the benefits that would accrue to the city's skyline and streetlife), wouldn't you feel that a company traded on "Wall Street" (i.e., a public market), with the accounting standards and openness to any individual's money that that entails would be preferable to having a privately owned company that can be less open about its finances and plans?


Response: Institutions (like Harvard University, pension funds, Wall Street investment banks and even foreign government-affiliated investment companies) own large chunks of stock Simon and Neiman Marcus's parent company. But most people who live in Boston who are part of the 99 percent don't have the option of attempting to enrich themselves by playing the stock market, since they either earn too little in wages or salaries, did not inherit any money from rich parents or have to spend most of their family income on shelter, food needs, etc. Realistically, only "Joe Schmos" who happen to be relatively rich can "simply invest his money in Simon and Neiman Marcus whenever he wants."

The jobs of construction workers in the USA have actually been destroyed more by the speculation and lay-off decisions/plant closing decisions and de-investment decisions of the Wall Street-backed firm corporate executives than by the proponents of a massive government-funded affordable housing construction program by public/non-profit developers in the 21st-century (which would quickly reduce the unemployment rate of 35 percent for example of Local 103 IBEW members, etc.). Most independent studies show that building unaffordable, luxury apartments in a neighborhood generally drives up rents and property taxes in neighborhoods like the Back Bay and South End, while building more affordable apartment units for low-income and moderate-income tenants in a given neighborhood while providing tax relief advantages for small homeowners reduces rents significantly (and, especially, if local rent regulation ordinances are also enacted).

As the Enron scandal and the sub-prime mortgage scandals on Wall Street indicated, accounting firms on Wall Street have been reluctant to blow the whistle on their Wall Street firm clients in the absence of tighter SEC regulations, even if the corporation is not just privately-owned but also sells stock to a small section of the "public." Non-profit real estate development and construction firms that are municipally-owned by all of the public (and not just by the minority of"the public" who are investors/speculators/developers) would be a more preferable way to both immediately rebuild the USA and more rapidly provide jobs for unemployed construction workers and unemployed architects in 2012.

So, what does this have to do with Simon's tower?

Here's the reality: If the tower is approved, there will be jobs provided to construction workers. If it isn't then there won't be. Seeing how this tower isn't built on public subsidy, there is no loss and only gains if this tower is approved for construction for construction jobs.

Also, if the market for this tower tanks once its finished, guess who suffers? Simon itself, not the construction workers because they have already been paid for their work. So NO, this project wouldn't destroy construction job.

I think someone should really moderate NMW's post. They make no sense or are off in its accusations and really doesn't contribute to the conversation.

And for the 99% of whom most can't invest in stocks. I call that bluff. While it may be true that some can't afford to invest in stock, most that don't invest in stocks is due to the fact that they avoid risk. I have fellow students who are in debt that are planning to invest in stocks to pay off their loans even though, I as a person who avoids risks also tell them no. Regardless, many of the average joes DO have portfolio and they DO fit in the 99%. They instead invest in mutual funds and CD. Investing in one firm, not matter how rich is stupid and people who do not think that a certain firm will give enough profit would most certainly not invest in it.
 
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I think someone should really moderate NMW's post. They make no sense or are off in its accusations and really doesn't contribute to the conversation.

NMW is obviously a high-floor Tent City resident with north-facing windows who wishes to keep his sweet -ass river views. With his ridiculous, scatterbrained, desperate arguments he's throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping something sticks. By responding to his nonsense you're only giving his bogus arguments credibility. If he annoys you, my advice is just to ignore him.
 
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By moderating his posts, it would be like saying "Oh shit- this guy has a good point and we want to supress him and his views." But really, it's nothing more than rambling on about loosely related talking points which either have no value to this discussion or are just flat out wrong. They're easily dismissable, and in fact help is make stronger arguments in favor.
 
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By moderating his posts, it would be like saying "Oh shit- this guy has a good point and we want to supress him and his views." But really, it's nothing more than rambling on about loosely related talking points which either have no value to this discussion or are just flat out wrong. They're easily dismissable, and in fact help is make stronger arguments in favor.

Nor should anyone's views be moderated just because they dissent from the popular opinion on a public forum. I may not agree with what he has to say, but I respect his right to say it, given that they adhere to aB ToS guidelines, which all of his posts do.
 
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Kent I usually agree with you but your a primary offender of falling into these trap arguments no one can win. Don't even read his posts man. Perpetual cycle of bullshit, Briv is right about these people
 
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Nor should anyone's views be moderated just because they dissent from the popular opinion on a public forum. I may not agree with what he has to say, but I respect his right to say it, given that they adhere to aB ToS guidelines, which all of his posts do.

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Kent I usually agree with you but your a primary offender of falling into these trap arguments no one can win. Don't even read his posts man. Perpetual cycle of bullshit, Briv is right about these people

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There was a "CAC" (?) meeting in the transit library today. Apparently a bunch of community leaders/representatives. They discussed primarily Copley Place, due to the vote coming up Thursday, and how they haven't written a letter yet either in favor or against. I listened in from across the room as I was already digging through documents on other stuff. They went over the project and they all seemed really reasonable and supportive of a good project. Their main concern seemed to be traffic, but they loved how the developer was working with them, being very cooperative in incredibly timely fashions and being very responsive, especially to addressing concerns. I think they'll be writing a letter in support.

Take that, NIMBYs.
 
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I really savor the opportunity to stroll a couple of blocks and look at a bunch of cranes

within the next year we might be able to (depending on contruction schedules) start at NothEastern / Y stroll Huntington/Ave d'artes to check-ut the Pru Appartmens then Libery Mutual and then perhaps the Copley Appartments

on another day the loop could be around DTX and up the Greenway

on a third day Fan Pier and the SPID

on the 4th day East Cambridge / Kendall

etc.
 
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I really savor the opportunity to stroll a couple of blocks and look at a bunch of cranes

within the next year we might be able to (depending on contruction schedules) start at NothEastern / Y stroll Huntington/Ave d'artes to check-ut the Pru Appartmens then Libery Mutual and then perhaps the Copley Appartments

on another day the loop could be around DTX and up the Greenway

on a third day Fan Pier and the SPID

on the 4th day East Cambridge / Kendall

etc.

Just do 'em all in 1 day, not TOO far :)
 
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