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^^^

I think this development is Stamped for approval.

Riff -- like I said -- construction trade unions want it

" I think at the end of the day most reasonable people will see that this developer will be making a significant contribution to many of the parks and projects around that area,’’ Meade said.Continued... "

Done --- whether or not it is voted on this month

I'll bet that construction starts next construction season
 
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Riff -- like I said -- construction trade unions want it

" I think at the end of the day most reasonable people will see that this developer will be making a significant contribution to many of the parks and projects around that area,’’ Meade said.Continued... "

Done --- whether or not it is voted on this month

I'll bet that construction starts next construction season

I love the idea for this development.....Great location & idea.

I think the argument among the Backbay & SouthEnd Residents will be.
Parking & Traffic and they will not want another Columbus Ave Mess.
 
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In addition, the Boston Parks and Recreation Department wrote last month that the project would harm Copley Square by casting shadows across the park during the middle of the day in fall and winter. The parks department noted that the square is already affected by shadows from several other buildings.

“Adding two more hours of shadow to this space . . . when days are shorter and cooler is a significant negative impact that will make the park less hospitable,’’ said a letter from Liza Meyer, chief landscape architect for the parks department.

Sigh. As written, they imply that the entire square will be in shadow for two hours that are currently sunny. Way to blow the issue way out of proportion. But I guess the goal is blackmail, so why stick with just the facts.

Also, I agree with Choo. This process really limits the option for building middle income housing in downtown areas.
 
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I remember reading the impact report on the BRA website that clearly states the tower will cast a shadow for no longer than 15 minutes for twice a day. Is the 2 hr a bullshitted number?
 
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I remember reading the impact report on the BRA website that clearly states the tower will cast a shadow for no longer than 15 minutes for twice a day. Is the 2 hr a bullshitted number?

How I remember it -- if you look at the shaddow plots -- the times when there are shaddows near to Copley Sq. are late in the afternoon when the sun is low in the SW in the early Autumn (still warm) and afternoons just before early sunsets (late Atumn throgh and early spring)

And as is the case with any tall thin tower to the south and west of a field -- the shadow moves rapidly accoss the field when the sun is low to the horizon
 
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from the draft eis
The shadow studies indicated that net new shadow is limited in scope and duration and the Project will not have significant shadow impacts on historic resources. During the vernal and autumnal equinox dates of March 21st and September 21st, the studies show that the only new shadow is limited to the paved corner of Dartmouth Street and St. James Avenue and the shadow passes entirely within 15 minutes just prior to noon. The Project does not cast shadows from 8:00am to 2:30pm on any day from March 21st to September 21st on any portion of dedicated public parkland. On June 21st, net new shadow falls within the boundary of the South End Landmark District only in the evening. During the requested studies, there are no new impacts on the Saint Botolph Architectural Conservation District at any time of the year.

Copley Square Park and Commonwealth Avenue Mall are entirely unaffected by any net new shadow from the vernal equinox to the autumnal equinox. During the study periods of October and December, the slender shadow of the building passes across Copley Square Park in under two hours. No single area is affected for greater than one hour in that time span. During the same study periods (October and December), a shadow briefly touches Commonwealth Avenue Mall at 9:00am. This shadow disappears in less than 15 minutes in October and in less than 30 minutes in December. The proposed Project does not have any new shadow impacts on the Boston Public Library courtyard or Trinity Church facades for greater than one hour during the year.
 
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The revised project had better include some massive floating mirrors, or, more ideally, a second sun. And of course a massive vacuum cleaner to suck out all the wind.
 
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The revised project had better include some massive floating mirrors, or, more ideally, a second sun. And of course a massive vacuum cleaner to suck out all the wind.

Shep -- nowadays we can use fiberoptics to put light wherever and whenever we so desire

I suggest a tracking mirror atop the tower (heliostat) with a thick bundle of fibers leading to an artificial sun hanging high over Copley Square

At night the natural artificial sun can be supplemented by a hgh power LED installation to provide that 'Midnight Sun" effect even in December
 
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What I find interesting here is that you have a very public disagreement between two parts of the city government -- parks department and BRA.
 
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What I find interesting here is that you have a very public disagreement between two parts of the city government -- parks department and BRA.

What's even more interesting is one of the entities (parks) has no money while the other (BRA) has no soul
 
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My thoughts on affordable housing / pro-growth urban policy

Opinion: Solving Boston's Housing Crisis
http://backbay.patch.com/articles/boston-s-housing-crisis

Living in Boston is as expensive as ever. New solutions to our housing problem need to be offered before it's too late. Our city's future is at risk.

Condominium prices and apartment rents in Boston are as high as ever, despite the recession, and they will inevitably increase even more as our economy improves. The cause of the problem is the same as it's always been: too much demand and too little supply. If we don’t come up with a solution, I fear our city will stop growing and we’ll be faced with a dire situation. The time to act is now.

Here are some ideas I have for how to deal with Boston's housing crisis.

Eliminate the city's affordable housing program

The mayor's affordable housing policy hasn't been been very successful. It’s time to analyze it on its merits and consider reconfiguring it or dropping it completely.

The policy had its genesis in the late 1990’s. Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino (through the Boston Redevelopment Authority) instituted a policy that required developers of major condo and apartment projects to price 10% (now 15%) of new housing units at a fraction of what they would cost on the open market.

The mayor’s intentions were good, the general idea being, if you set aside a portion of the housing stock and price it artificially low, you can keep some people living in the city who would otherwise be “forced” to move away. To an extent, the policy works - people who would otherwise be unable to live in downtown Boston could afford to buy in buildings including the Court Square Press / Macallen in South Boston and the Modern in the South End, and will be able to afford to buy in the new Copley Place condo tower once it’s built in Back Bay.

But, the policy does little to benefit the people it purports to help. In some ways, it actually exacerbates the problem - It reduces the (already limited) supply of new housing and ends up putting heavier demand on the market, causing prices overall to be higher than they otherwise would be.

The policy hurts the city in another way - it lowers property tax revenue. A building with 100 market-rate units might bring in 10-15% more income on an annual basis than one with 15 affordable units, based on my analysis. (See sidebar.) That’s serious money. The city of Boston, more so than just about any other major municipality in America, relies on property tax revenue to balance its budget (60% vs. 27% for the next-highest city, Seattle). Therefore, it must focus on how best to increase its cash flow.

The set-aside program does nothing to bring down the cost of housing for the hundreds of thousands of us who don’t qualify. And, the program comes with strict guidelines. In order to qualify, you need to have a salary within a very tight income range. Below or above, and you’re out of luck. And, there's a laundry list of "preferences" given to certain applicants - don’t fit one of these and you’re also out of luck. The housing “lottery” (which it basically is - just a few people winning a huge jackpot) ends up being rigged in favor of the few and the well-connected.

Is this program good fiscal policy? Does it help enough people that it warrants punishing the rest of us? Or, is it nothing but a “feel good” initiative?

Subsidize home-buyers outside Boston Proper

How can we increase the housing supply in a city such as Boston, where much of its core is off-limits to new development, due to historic district designations and vehement community opposition, and in a city where many new residents seem unwilling to consider living in neighborhoods outside of its downtown?

There is actually a way to reduce demand for housing in the city core without forcing people out of the city - we can encourage home-buyers to move to Boston’s outer-neighborhoods (West Roxbury, Roslindale, Hyde Park, Dorchester, and East Boston) by offering financial incentives such as discounted property tax bills.

I’ve never been a fan of government subsidies, so suggesting this is outside my comfort zone, but it’s an idea at least worthy of consideration. The idea here is get people to consider living outside of our city center. New York City does this a lot, even in Manhattan, giving people a discount on their property taxes if they live in certain designated neighborhoods. (Near Wall Street, for example, which suffered after the 9/11 attacks and was lacking in full-time residents.)

In addition to these two novel and dramatic ideas, there is the standard list of solutions that everyone offers up.

Improve the city's infrastructure

In coordination with the state and federal governments, we need to expand our public transportation system into neighborhoods outside of Boston Proper. The Mayor’s bike lane program is a clever, low-cost way of improving accessibility to downtown Boston. We need more of this type of thinking. If people can get into downtown Boston to work, they may be more willing to live outside downtown Boston and commute.

Improve the city’s public schools

With good schools in every neighborhood, parents (home-buyers) would be willing to look beyond certain areas in which to live. We could end forced busing today if Boston parents believed their children could be educated as well in a school just down the block instead of across town. Nothing improves a neighborhood more than having a good school in it, and nothing is more appealing to a home-buyer with a family than a good school within walking distance.

Develop a pro-growth housing policy

What we’re talking about here is putting together a rational and responsible - and pro-growth - housing policy.

What is the city’s five, ten, and twenty year housing plan for each of the city’s 23 neighborhoods? We seem to have been caught by surprise by the spike in population during the past decade. Based on historic precedent, we’re bound to see more economic booms and busts in the future - how are we planning for this, now?

Boston is at risk of losing a golden opportunity here, the chance to grow our city by encouraging people to move here and to stay here. Without a policy of sound urban planning, we may irrevocably damage our city for years to come.
 
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Keith good post.

But the core of the problem is the Mayor. When you have the same person for over 20 years there becomes no checks and balances. It becomes one mans idea and his solutions only favor himself because of politics.

The city really needs a complete overhaul in Cityhall and how things get down.
 
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"Boston Proper" evokes for me the municipal boundaries versus e.g. Brookline, Cambridge or Somerville. Maybe you mean something more like Central Business District?

Also, I don't get how these tax breaks for moving to "outer hoods" would work. Do you mean that a third generation Eastie family will pay more in taxes than pioneering Dave Yuppie who makes a move on a comparable unit? No matter how this works, I'm not sure I agree. Fix the schools first and then the outer hoods will be more desirable to families with children.

For those still seeking a "hip" hood, the outer hoods will still be a difficult proposition. It bears mentioning though that many expensive hip hoods around here are just as likely to be in CamBrookVille as in "Boston proper" - perhaps more luxury condos around Harvard, Davis, and Coolidge Corner would spread the demand a bit more?
 
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Fix schools first -- that is the key to having middleclass families want to live inside the Boston corporate limits -- And that means;
1) dump the Teacher's Union into the harbor
2) give every head of household citizen a voucher for each student in the household -- redeemable at private, religious or public schools -- value one average public school student cost
3) Cut the centralized bureaucrapsy -- give the principals the power to hire and fire everyone in their school
4) Dump the buses
5) Decentralize, decentralize -- Boston should have at least 10 to 15 Lexington-sized minidistricts (4,000 to 5,000 students) centered in the traditional neighborhoods -- all competing against each other for the best and the brightest
a) go back to building small neighborhood walkable K-6 schools
b) somewhat larger neighborhood-centric, mostly walkable middle schools 7,8,9
c) larger, centralized highschools -- 1 per minidistrict
d) several specialized highschools as special branches of the best of the minidisrict highschools -- arts/music/multimedia, infrastructure/transportation, environmental/health, business, teaching
e) the exam schools for the best and brightest -- science and engineering -- connected with MIT, etc.
f) local 2 year college programs offering associate degrees and certiicates in practical skills

Then when there is rising demand for the Hyde Park schools, JP, North End, Easte, Roxburry, etc. --

Open up the permitting process and dump all the strict zoning requirements for building, converting or repurposing housing -- to allow developers to offer the kinds of housing that the public will want and can afford -- all the way from single family mcManses to low-rise town clusters, etc.

As this process gets underway -- start planning / building new transit infrastructure to support a more Paris-like Boston -- i.e. average tallness at least double current # of stories

This will take a few decades -- but -- there is a powerful incentive -- Boston will be 400 in 19 years
a lot of cities may never make 400!

Meanwhile -- work with the major entities within the city limits (e.g. U's, hospitals, oher major employers) to improve the process of approval of new / renovating construction

Work with all of the other parts of the Hub from Cambridge, Brookline, Newton, qincy, Chelsea, Revere, to the outer edges of I-495 to create a more unified region -- possibly with a regioal governmnent which could eventually own the various M's (e.g. MBTA, Massport, Convention Authority, MWRA, etc.)

Boston is a 21st centrury city-state and must start acting like one (e.g. Singapore without the caning)
 
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Fix schools first -- that is the key to having middleclass families want to live inside the Boston corporate limits -- And that means;
1) dump the Teacher's Union into the harbor
2) give every head of household citizen a voucher for each student in the household -- redeemable at private, religious or public schools -- value one average public school student cost
3) Cut the centralized bureaucrapsy -- give the principals the power to hire and fire everyone in their school
4) Dump the buses
5) Decentralize, decentralize -- Boston should have at least 10 to 15 Lexington-sized minidistricts (4,000 to 5,000 students) centered in the traditional neighborhoods -- all competing against each other for the best and the brightest
a) go back to building small neighborhood walkable K-6 schools
b) somewhat larger neighborhood-centric, mostly walkable middle schools 7,8,9
c) larger, centralized highschools -- 1 per minidistrict
d) several specialized highschools as special branches of the best of the minidisrict highschools -- arts/music/multimedia, infrastructure/transportation, environmental/health, business, teaching
e) the exam schools for the best and brightest -- science and engineering -- connected with MIT, etc.
f) local 2 year college programs offering associate degrees and certiicates in practical skills

Negative. If you can't afford to even live here, then schools are not a priority, much less a factor in the conversation.
 
Re: Copley Place plan calls for condo tower

Fix schools first -- that is the key to having middleclass families want to live inside the Boston corporate limits -- And that means;
1) dump the Teacher's Union into the harbor
2) give every head of household citizen a voucher for each student in the household -- redeemable at private, religious or public schools -- value one average public school student cost
3) Cut the centralized bureaucrapsy -- give the principals the power to hire and fire everyone in their school
4) Dump the buses
5) Decentralize, decentralize -- Boston should have at least 10 to 15 Lexington-sized minidistricts (4,000 to 5,000 students) centered in the traditional neighborhoods -- all competing against each other for the best and the brightest
a) go back to building small neighborhood walkable K-6 schools
b) somewhat larger neighborhood-centric, mostly walkable middle schools 7,8,9
c) larger, centralized highschools -- 1 per minidistrict
d) several specialized highschools as special branches of the best of the minidisrict highschools -- arts/music/multimedia, infrastructure/transportation, environmental/health, business, teaching
e) the exam schools for the best and brightest -- science and engineering -- connected with MIT, etc.
f) local 2 year college programs offering associate degrees and certiicates in practical skills

Then when there is rising demand for the Hyde Park schools, JP, North End, Easte, Roxburry, etc. --

Open up the permitting process and dump all the strict zoning requirements for building, converting or repurposing housing -- to allow developers to offer the kinds of housing that the public will want and can afford -- all the way from single family mcManses to low-rise town clusters, etc.

As this process gets underway -- start planning / building new transit infrastructure to support a more Paris-like Boston -- i.e. average tallness at least double current # of stories

This will take a few decades -- but -- there is a powerful incentive -- Boston will be 400 in 19 years
a lot of cities may never make 400!

Meanwhile -- work with the major entities within the city limits (e.g. U's, hospitals, oher major employers) to improve the process of approval of new / renovating construction

Work with all of the other parts of the Hub from Cambridge, Brookline, Newton, qincy, Chelsea, Revere, to the outer edges of I-495 to create a more unified region -- possibly with a regioal governmnent which could eventually own the various M's (e.g. MBTA, Massport, Convention Authority, MWRA, etc.)

Boston is a 21st centrury city-state and must start actinglike one (e.g. Singapore without the caning)

So you went to see Michelle Rhee this week?
 
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"Boston Proper" usually means pre-annexation Boston -- the areas that are predominantly brick or stone, and whose postal addresses are "Boston" rather than Dorchester, Roxbury, Jamaica Plain, etc.

I don't think Roslindale is lacking for people who want to move into it.
 
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Is that because houses are abandoned (I don't see any such in Rozzie) or because larger families are being replaced by smaller ones?
 
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