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Re: TD Garden Towers

My statement said nothing about debt. Your statement said California is "dead broke" like Detroit. A state with a $2.4 billion surplus, by definition, is not "dead broke."

Are you serious with that statement? Thats like me saying I made 100K this year and my expenses are down to 80k a year

100K Income
80K Exp
20K Profit for the year.

Owe I forgot I owe 2 Million in credit card debt.

I guess you missed accounting 101 in college or highschool.
 
Re: TD Garden Towers

STOP. PLEASE. Good God, do we need moderators...
 
Re: TD Garden Towers

Are you serious with that statement? Thats like me saying I made 100K this year and my expenses are down to 80k a year

100K Income
80K Exp
20K Profit for the year.

Owe I forgot I owe 2 Million in credit card debt.

I guess you missed accounting 101 in college or highschool.

So if a person makes $120,000, banks $30,000 of that and carries a $400,000 mortgage, are they "dead broke?"
 
U.S. Ends Bailout of G.M., Selling Last Shares of Stock
By BILL VLASIC and ANNIE LOWREY | The New York Times – 16 hours ago

Updated, 8:52 p.m. |

The government bailout of General Motors ended on Monday with the Treasury Department’s announcement that it had sold its final shares of G.M. stock.

The sale closes a tumultuous chapter in the history of the American auto industry, and allows the nation’s largest automaker to continue its comeback free from the stigma of being known as “Government Motors.”

Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew said the government sold the last of what was once a 60 percent stake in G.M. Taxpayers lost about $10 billion on their $49.5 billion investment in the Detroit automaker. “With the final sale of G.M. stock, this important chapter in our nation’s history is now closed,” Mr. Lew said. In all, taxpayers have ended up in the black on the crisis-related bailouts, Treasury officials said. It has recovered $433 billion from the Troubled Asset Relief Program after initially investing about $422 billion.

The announcement of the sale brought a collective sigh of relief from G.M. officials, who have struggled to win back consumers who were loath to buy a vehicle from an automaker under the yoke of government ownership.

“It’s been a long, hard road with the label of Government Motors,” Mark L. Reuss, the president of G.M.’s North American division, said before the announcement.

It was five years ago that President George W. Bush decided to make emergency loans to prevent the financial collapse of G.M. and Chrysler, the smallest of the Detroit carmakers.

Then, in 2009, President Obama undertook a sweeping effort to save the beleaguered car companies by appointing a task force to lead G.M. and Chrysler through bankruptcy.

Over all, the government spent more than $80 billion to save G.M., Chrysler and their suppliers. The third Detroit automaker, Ford Motor, survived the recession without direct financial aid from Washington.

On Monday, Mr. Obama described the bailout as a calculated bet on the domestic auto industry’s ability to recover and become competitive again.

“When things looked darkest for our most iconic industry, we bet on what was true: the ingenuity and resilience of the proud, hardworking men and women who make this country strong,” the president said in a statement.

G.M. became a public company again in 2010 when it made what at the time was the largest initial public stock offering.

But the company’s turnaround has been challenging and at times painful.

As part of his rescue plan in 2009, Mr. Obama required that G.M.’s chief executive, Rick Wagoner, resign.

And the president’s auto task force required other wrenching changes on the company, including eliminating divisions like Pontiac and Saturn, cutting dealers and employees, and demanding that G.M. overhaul its insulated corporate culture.

Automotive specialists said the aggressive intervention by President Bush and President Obama was necessary to prevent a total breakdown of the industry — one of the largest manufacturing sectors in the American economy.

“It had to be done because the entire industry was in a depression, and it could have dragged the whole country into one,” said David E. Cole, the former chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich.

A report released recently by Mr. Cole’s organization estimated that the government’s auto bailout helped save 1.2 million jobs in the United States, including employment by suppliers and dealers.

The healthy state of the industry today is in contrast to when it began its free fall five years ago.

G.M. had been losing billions of dollars for years because of unprofitable products, an excess of production capacity, and the spiraling costs of pensions and health care for hundreds of thousands of retirees and relatives.

When auto sales plunged in summer 2008 because of the Wall Street crisis and a shortage of available credit, G.M.’s losses widened. And during congressional hearings that fall on the industry’s troubles, Mr. Wagoner said that G.M. could become insolvent by the end of the year without an emergency infusion of taxpayer dollars.

For several tense months, the fate of G.M. — once considered the pinnacle of American industrial prowess — hung in the balance.

But in March 2009, President Obama announced a government effort to save G.M., and a plan to steer Chrysler into a partnership with the Italian automaker Fiat.

G.M. and Chrysler were required to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. In the process, the companies shed jobs, factories and liabilities, and emerged as leaner, more focused manufacturers.

The task force also required G.M. to replace several members of its board with a new cast of outside directors — one of whom, Daniel Akerson, is now the company’s chairman and chief executive.

Because of G.M.’s precarious position, the government took stock in the company in exchange for its financial aid. Since the initial public offering in 2010, the Treasury Department has methodically sold its shares, culminating in Monday’s final sale, of about 2 percent of the company.

“We will always be grateful for the second chance extended to us, and we are doing our best to make the most of it,” Mr. Akerson said in a statement.

Mr. Reuss, the North American chief, met with reporters on Monday to introduce one of G.M.’s latest initiatives, a “customer engagement” call center in suburban Detroit.

The center is part of G.M.’s efforts to build closer ties to vehicle owners and engender more loyalty for its products. In the past, the company has been criticized for not adequately reaching out and helping consumers with vehicle problems.

“There was a time when we wouldn’t admit that we fell short,” said Alicia Boler-Davis, G.M.’s senior vice president for global customer experience and quality. “Now it’s part of the new G.M. culture.”

The post-bailout G.M. is smaller, but more competitive with rivals like Ford and Toyota. The company has posted 15 consecutive profitable quarters and has reported particularly strong earnings in the surging North American market.

But more work is ahead for G.M. to match the profit margins of Ford in North America, and to stem its chronic losses in Europe. G.M. also has to build on the successes of its revamped product lineup in the all-important United States market.

The company has introduced a number of competitive small cars, as well as new versions of its bellwether trucks and sport utility vehicles.

Its United States market share, however, is still stuck at slightly less than 18 percent, the same as it was a year ago.

But Mr. Reuss, a longtime executive whose father was once the president of G.M., pledged that sales would improve because of better products and a new spirit in the company.

“We’re getting a winning culture in place,” he said. “If we quit changing or you don’t see us changing, I’d be worried about that.”

Bill Vlasic reported from Detroit, and Annie Lowrey from Washington.

Only a 10 Billion dollar taxpayer loss and thank god Obama bought his votes for the last two elections. Crazy corruption going on.
 
Re: TD Garden Towers

So if a person makes $120,000, banks $30,000 of that and carries a $400,000 mortgage, are they "dead broke?"

Like I said you must have missed Accounting 101.

Their is a big difference between
Salary 120,000
Exp 90,000
Profit 30,000
House debt 400K


A budget surplus in Calfornia
Profit 2.4 Billion dollars
132,000,000,000 Debt
Interest alone is 6.6 Billion dollars in Debt a year. (They can't even cover the debt) This does not include the hundreds of Billions in short-funded Pensions and Healthcare costs.

California End game will be very ugly.

What happens when Interest rates start to rise? Can we say BANKRUPT
 
Only a 10 Billion dollar taxpayer loss and thank god Obama bought his votes for the last two elections. Crazy corruption going on.

In all, taxpayers have ended up in the black on the crisis-related bailouts, Treasury officials said. It has recovered $433 billion from the Troubled Asset Relief Program after initially investing about $422 billion.

That's an $11 billion gain. Try reading what the article actually says instead of what you want it to say.
 
there's an $11B overall gain from TARP as a whole, but a $10B loss from General Motors.
 
there's an $11B overall gain from TARP as a whole, but a $10B loss from General Motors.

One investment in a portfolio did poorly while the rest did well. If you knew how to pick only winners 100% of the time, then you'd be on a beach in Fiji.

TARP wasn't even attempting to be an investment. The government was prepared to spend money to avoid collapse of an entire economic sector and geographic region of the country. That's not crazy - that's part of the role of government. The fact that they made money in the process is something we should all be patting each other on the back about.

Usually a catastrophe costs money. This one didn't. Find something real to bitch about.
 
I'm not bitching at all -- just trying to get the facts straight.

(My preference would have been to bail out the productive industries such as GM, but let all of the big banks fail and go under. The FDIC would have still protected you and me if we had accounts in those banks.)
 
Pension crisis endangers Chicago's future

Chicago's future threatened by looming pension crisis
By Sara Burnett, Associated Press | Associated Press – 5 hours ago

CHICAGO (AP) -- It's not the vision of a world class city that Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel typically likes to portray.

More teachers losing their jobs, thousands fewer police and firefighters on duty, less frequent trash collection and miles of potholed roads going unrepaired — all as property taxes soar.

But that's the scenario Emanuel and others have said could befall the nation's third-largest city if the state Legislature — which passed a landmark measure last week to address Illinois' severe public pension shortfall — doesn't deal with Chicago's own multibillion-dollar pension problem.

The economic capital of Illinois and the Midwest, Chicago holds the dubious distinction of having the worst-funded public pension system of any major U.S. city. It's a crisis that's putting in peril Chicago's reputation as "the city that works," and its vision of being a modern transportation hub in the midst of a high-tech boom.

"Chicago sticks out for all the wrong reasons," said Rachel Barkley, a municipal credit analyst at Morningstar Inc., referring to a public pension system that is only 35 percent funded, compared to New York's 60 percent and San Francisco's 88 per cent.

It's raising the question: which version of itself will Chicago become?

Just raising taxes, which could cause businesses to leave, or cutting services, which would penalize residents, won't be enough, said Michael Pagano, dean of the College of Urban Planning and Public Affairs at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

"I don't think either one is even a possibility," he said. "Everybody's going to have to give something."

Chicago's pension funds for city workers, police officers and firefighters are about $19.5 billion short of what's needed to meet its current obligations.

The shortfall amounts to about $7,100 per Chicago resident. That's nearly eight times the per person cost of the unfunded pension liability in Detroit, a city that saw its population plummet in the years before it went into bankruptcy earlier this year. Add in the unfunded liability for Chicago teacher pensions, and the total shortfall jumps to about $27 billion.

City officials say the shortfall is due largely to investment losses during recent economic downturns, to workers and retirees living longer and to increases in benefits. The city's annual contributions to the funds, set by state statute, also were well below what was necessary for meeting its obligations, according to a Morningstar analysis.

Under state statute, those contributions are now scheduled to more than double next year, to about $1.07 billion. Emanuel, a former White House chief of staff who is up for re-election in 2015, says the increase is about equal to the annual cost of having 4,300 police officers on the beat or resurfacing 16,000 city blocks.

If the city doesn't cut services and pension benefits aren't changed, he says, the annual payment would require a 150 percent hike in property taxes — an increase he calls "unacceptable." Chicago Public Schools' payment to the pension fund for Chicago teachers also is slated to increase next year, from $196 million last year to $600 million.

Emanuel wants the Legislature, which must approve any changes to pension benefits, to raise the retirement age and cut cost-of-living increases, as it did for the state pension system.

"The pension crisis is not truly solved until relief is brought to Chicago and all of the other local governments across our state that are standing on the brink of a fiscal cliff because of our pension liabilities," he said after lawmakers approved the state changes last week.

Senate President John Cullerton, a Chicago Democrat, said he wants to take up the issue "as soon as we can when we come back next year." Lawmakers are next scheduled to meet at the Capitol in Springfield in late January.

Jesse Sharkey, vice president of the Chicago Teachers Union, said the union fully expects a bill that will solve the problem "on the backs of working people."

He warned the Legislature should prepare for protests on the scale of those in Wisconsin in 2011, when thousands of union members camped out in the state Capitol to protest Republican Gov. Scott Walker's attempts to effectively end collective bargaining for most state workers.

"There's no way this attack isn't coming, and we're gearing up for it," Sharkey said.

Emanuel isn't backing down either.

He says reducing the city's and the Chicago Public Schools' payments to the pension funds is particularly critical for the school system, which closed dozens of schools this fall, in part because of budget problems.

"I don't want the cost as it relates to pensions to crowd out the future of the city of Chicago, which is our children," he told a group of executives during a recent Bloomberg Business Summit.

We should give this city the 11 Billion dollar surplus from Tarp. It seems GOVT has become a great hedge fund to help us through these troubling times.

Chicago is the next to fall.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pension-crisis-endangers-chicagos-future-143557651.html
 
(My preference would have been to bail out the productive industries such as GM, but let all of the big banks fail and go under. The FDIC would have still protected you and me if we had accounts in those banks.)

Is that because big banking is a Zionist criminal conspiracy?
 
TARP wasn't even attempting to be an investment. The government was prepared to spend money to avoid collapse of an entire economic sector and geographic region of the country. That's not crazy - that's part of the role of government. The fact that they made money in the process is something we should all be patting each other on the back about.

Usually a catastrophe costs money. This one didn't. Find something real to bitch about.

Besides the corruption which is mainly part of the reason for Detroit Demise. The other one is Jobs moving offshore and My company is facing pressure these days. Free trade does not work for the American workers. Why would a company stay in the United States when they can move to China educate a bunch of workers to pay them 3 bucks an hour and no healthcare?

IN America it must cost a U.S. corporation over 100K to employ an average worker.

Of course all the corporations will subcontract to other countries because their Labor pool is so Cheap.

Do you see the towers they built in the DUBAI and Shanghai? I'm pretty sure they recruited a bunch of working slaves from Africa to build these buildings. I honestly don't believe the U.S. is capable of building massive skyscrapers like the China and the Middle East.
 
Yay protectionism! Mercantilism! Wage slaves! Jobs with a capital J!

Also, I'm pretty sure most of the oil states' labor comes from Asia. A lot of Chinese companies building in Africa don't even bother hiring African workers, they ship in their own workers.
 
A glimmer of insight into your incessant rants:

FEAR

Hey man...

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...although in this case I do get the impression that you-know-who could use a bit more of the "L" word.
 
Boston Obtains AAA Bond Grade From Standard & Poor’s on Economy
By Romy Varghese March 06, 2014

Almost a year after a terrorist attack killed three people at the Boston Marathon, the city’s credit rating was raised to the top grade by Standard & Poor’s.

The company cited the Massachusetts capital’s budget flexibility and diverse economy. S&P gave the municipality of about 636,000 a stable outlook, calling it the “anchor for the state and the broader New England region,” according to a report yesterday from Victor Medeiros, an analyst at the firm.

“Boston’s strong underlying economy, very strong management, and predictable operating profile should translate into strong budgetary performance and operating flexibility over our outlook horizon,” Medeiros said in the report.

New York, the most populous U.S. city, is rated two steps lower at AA, while Los Angeles, the second-biggest, is three steps below the top at AA-, according to S&P.

The most populous city with the top grade is San Antonio, with almost 1.4 million residents, according to S&P. The company gives the AAA mark to six cities among the nation’s 25 biggest.

Boston is scheduled to sell $158.5 million in tax-exempt bonds next week, data compiled by Bloomberg show. Proceeds would fund capital improvements, S&P said.

Moody’s Investors Service also gives Boston its top grade.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...ond-grade-from-standard-and-poor-s-on-economy
 

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