Encore Boston Harbor Casino | 1 Broadway | Everett

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is it the case that the casino now has connected a mulituse path from its waterfront, under the N/Rport line, and over to Costco? Costco seems to have thrown up chain link fencing in a big hurry to make sure that their lot isn't used as Casino parking, which would only be "a thing" if the path is now complete.
Yes, they're connected. I used the Blue Bikes station in the back of the casino to get to Total Wine. Brought a bike lock with me and got a few looks while locking it to a regular bike rack out front lol.
 

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Any updates on typical table minimums for Blackjack or Craps? Weeknights, weekends, etc?
I had a family member go last Sunday and reported $15 blackjack minimums on Sunday night. Pretty sure Friday and Saturday nights are still very high minimums.
 

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Footbridge keeps germinating... sounds like it would be a combo of Wynn, Gaming Commission, and City of Everett funding...

 

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Yes, this. The table games at Encore are really expensive. Encore minimums are all well above what you'd expect to see at CT or Vegas casinos.

It's becoming clearer by the day that Encore isn't catering to the "typical slot-machine-zombie" casino demographic. They're not even catering to the "Boston educated upper-middle to upper class" demographic. They're focusing their offerings squarely on the global high-end demographic, people who will fly into town to play $100 minimum Pai Gow or Baccarat. They're aiming for the type of demographic NIMBYs think are buying up all the condos in the city.
Two words [or one] BOND James Bond -- all the well heeled and educated always imagine themselves as someone else -- its kinda Walter Mitty
Everyone at MIT always imagined themselves as a great athlete -that's why MIT has such huge participation in Intramural and also in Intercollegiate Sports
Walk into a casino and the same person who is driving on Lebron or Hammering one over the Monster is instantly transformed into:

Bond -- James Bond - sliding up to the Baccarat Table and waiting for the Croupier to pass him the shoe
of course he's smoking and drinking and has a honey near by -- aside from the smoking what MIT Gnurd can't fit into the fantasy
 

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Footbridge keeps germinating... sounds like it would be a combo of Wynn, Gaming Commission, and City of Everett funding...

The story on TV indicated that

Wynn resorts was prepared to build the bridge but only if the T was willing to build a new exit from the T Station heading toward the river
 
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Yes, that's what the story in the linked Gobe article said.
 

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Can we consolidate Everett-Somerville footbridge discussion here? It's more of a regional transportation project than a strictly "Encore Boston Harbor Casino" project.
Sure. I looked for that thread before I posted but forgot what it was called.
 

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First, I didn't fully grasp how close this is to the BE plant.

Second, why is the right part of the BE plant on stilts (sorry, I know less about energy than I do about architecture)?
The 3 towers on the left are mothballed and not used. The middle tall tower is only used in peak energy times or for testing. Its old and expensive to run, and you can see the dark black smoke coming out of it when it kicks on. The stilts part and the 2 towers off-picture on the right is the active LNG power plant and cells for the air cooled condenser system, scheduled to be shut down in 2024 now. There's also a little jet turbine in there somewhere. All of it is on the table for redevelopment within the decade, but as this is the largest power plant in MA at 2GW, and it is the primary reason for the LNG terminal next door that is a main supplier to new england, expect more subsidy proposals to keep it open from Exelon.
 
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This plant is not going away anytime soon -- its location is Strategic-- the Combined Cycle Natural gas units that were installed in 2003 [Units 8 & 9 with the short fat stacks] have at least a 30 year life cycle
from the Excelon website

Mystic Generating Station is owned and operated by Exelon Power, a business unit of Exelon Generation. Mystic is an eight unit, 2,001 megawatt (MW) fossil power plant located in Charlestown, Massachusetts.
Mystic 8 and 9 are 2-on-1 combined cycle gas turbines. Mystic 8 has a capacity of 703 MW and Mystic 9 has a capacity of 714 MW. Mystic 7 is a 575 MW unit that is fueled by either natural gas or oil, depending on market conditions. Mystic Jet is an 9 MW oil fueled peaking unit which is run during periods of high demand. All capacities reflect summer rating.
Units 8 and 9 are highly efficient and give Boston a huge advantage in the advent of a serious grid collapse -- more power can be generated inside Boston's core than is needed to meet the city's baseload -- this is not typical for major cities these days

Here's where the electricity needed for your morning coffee and muffin, etc comes from @ 7:17 AM today -- total demand 103021 MW [ISO NewEngland]*1
*2


10/06/2019 07:17NaturalGas4443
10/06/2019 07:17Nuclear3315
10/06/2019 07:17Hydro374
10/06/2019 07:17Renewables1130
10/06/2019 07:17Wood196
10/06/2019 07:17Refuse368
10/06/2019 07:17Wind535
10/06/2019 07:17LandfillGas27
10/06/2019 07:17Solar4
10/06/2019 07:17Other2

Note Renewables 1130 == Sum of:
Wood 242
Refuse 365
Wind 206
LandfillGas 27
Other 2

Note there was 0 MW coming from solar at 07:17 since sunrise was less than an hour earlier -- by 08:00 solar had risen to 27 MW under clear skies

*1 for reference purposes Winter Peak demand was approx 18,000 MW [January - Feb], Summer Peak demand was approx 22,000 MW [July-Aug] 2019
*2 -- a very interesting site -- not only can you see what is happening now -- but you can tool back in time to try to guess the peak, etc.
 
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This plant is not going away anytime soon -- its location is Strategic-- the Combined Cycle Natural gas units that were installed in 2003 [Units 8 & 9 with the short fat stacks] have at least a 30 year life cycle
from the Excelon website



Units 8 and 9 are highly efficient and give Boston a huge advantage in the advent of a serious grid collapse -- more power can be generated inside Boston's core than is needed to meet the city's baseload -- this is not typical for major cities these days

Here's where the electricity needed for your morning coffee and muffin, etc comes from @ 7:17 AM today -- total demand 103021 MW [ISO NewEngland]*1
*2


10/06/2019 07:17NaturalGas4443
10/06/2019 07:17Nuclear3315
10/06/2019 07:17Hydro374
10/06/2019 07:17Renewables1130
10/06/2019 07:17Wood196
10/06/2019 07:17Refuse368
10/06/2019 07:17Wind535
10/06/2019 07:17LandfillGas27
10/06/2019 07:17Solar4
10/06/2019 07:17Other2

Note Renewables 1130 == Sum of:
Wood 242
Refuse 365
Wind 206
LandfillGas 27
Other 2

Note there was 0 MW coming from solar at 07:17 since sunrise was less than an hour earlier -- by 08:00 solar had risen to 27 MW under clear skies

*1 for reference purposes Winter Peak demand was approx 18,000 MW [January - Feb], Summer Peak demand was approx 22,000 MW [July-Aug] 2019
*2 -- a very interesting site -- not only can you see what is happening now -- but you can tool back in time to try to guess the peak, etc.
Good stuff. I would be all for redeveloping the old inefficient and unused portions of the power plant... but as you say the newer part of the LNG plant should be up and running until 2030 at least.

Any proposal to shut the newer power plant earlier should be viewed as a fraudulent shakedown scam by Enron wannabees unless they can prove otherwise.
 

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Just like dominos redev in nyc I hope they keep the building/stacks and incorporate them into whatever its turned into in the future.
 

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This plant is not going away anytime soon -- its location is Strategic-- the Combined Cycle Natural gas units that were installed in 2003 [Units 8 & 9 with the short fat stacks] have at least a 30 year life cycle
from the Excelon website



Units 8 and 9 are highly efficient and give Boston a huge advantage in the advent of a serious grid collapse -- more power can be generated inside Boston's core than is needed to meet the city's baseload -- this is not typical for major cities these days

Here's where the electricity needed for your morning coffee and muffin, etc comes from @ 7:17 AM today -- total demand 103021 MW [ISO NewEngland]*1
*2


10/06/2019 07:17NaturalGas4443
10/06/2019 07:17Nuclear3315
10/06/2019 07:17Hydro374
10/06/2019 07:17Renewables1130
10/06/2019 07:17Wood196
10/06/2019 07:17Refuse368
10/06/2019 07:17Wind535
10/06/2019 07:17LandfillGas27
10/06/2019 07:17Solar4
10/06/2019 07:17Other2

Note Renewables 1130 == Sum of:
Wood 242
Refuse 365
Wind 206
LandfillGas 27
Other 2

Note there was 0 MW coming from solar at 07:17 since sunrise was less than an hour earlier -- by 08:00 solar had risen to 27 MW under clear skies

*1 for reference purposes Winter Peak demand was approx 18,000 MW [January - Feb], Summer Peak demand was approx 22,000 MW [July-Aug] 2019
*2 -- a very interesting site -- not only can you see what is happening now -- but you can tool back in time to try to guess the peak, etc.
and yet, it's unprofitable and the plant is being subsidized at the moment because of grid reliability issues. Which is the real point- it is now cheaper to get that energy from another source because this plant is not competitive. It's just that the replacement capacity doesn't exist yet. I don't think fossil fuel fired capacity should be subsidized any longer. I do however see value in subsidizing nuclear capacity, I also think if this country invested in newer nuclear technology people wouldn't have to be so squeamish about nuclear power.
 

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But the Nuke (or Gas) wouldn't be *installed* near Encore and therefore would not really be a help for reliability in the core.
Nuke (and any new supply) would still have to find a route into the core. For that they *are* (we need a thread for) currently boring a new line from Horn Pond in Woburn to Everett (mostly under Winthrop St in Medford), but I don't think that future-proofs the core.

Only when the core is way closer to meeting its own Rooftop solar + Storage or maybe some Harbor wind would they allow anything in the station across from the Casino to close
 

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Much more likely to add to the plant with newer technology in place of the old parts that aren't being used
That's a strategic location because of all the underground connections that have already had a lot invested in them to connect to such a massive pool of generation

If you figure that a typical house today is wired for about 200 Amps to meet the worst-case scenario peak and more commonly 1/2 of that for typical heavy duty operations [100 A] --- that translates into about 10KW [@110 VAC] with a minimum consumption probably around 2KW
So a plant such as Mystic [just the two newest units @ 1400 MW == 1.4 M kW] is capable of supplying 700,000 homes at the minimum consumption level or 120,000 homes + @ typical peak demands

You need that to secure Boston / Cambridge core in the event of catastrophic failures of Big Transformers and such in places such as Burlington on Middlesex Tpk
 

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