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FenwayResident said:
So when someone goes and shoots up a school, it's also the government's fault for not having stricter gun control... right? Don't blame the shooter, blame the government.
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Aye. It is so much more in the company mixing the chemicals and ensuring there are no adverse (deadly) implications associated with it's use. They are the ones with the labs and the test and the brainpower. No offense to the FDA, but they aren't going to be smart enough to have every possible test. They have proscriptive methods for having things tested and going through trials prior to being approved for use.

Similarly, the EPA has standards and regulations. If there is leaching due to poor preventative maintenance on the part of Monsanto, any EPA discoveries will be too little too late. Especially as the EPA was in it's infancy back then.

This and other things like it are 99% on the companies churning things out too quick to make a profit, or without enough oversite and qa/qc

Blaming the gov't is, for lack of a better term, stupid.
 
The Monsanto Everett facility was not a Superfund site. The Commonwealth took responsibility for overseeing the cleanup of the site. The Federal EPA would potentially have intervened if there was no cleanup.

https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0100952

After seven months of excavation work at the former Monsanto chemical manufacturing facility site, Wynn Boston Harbor announced Tuesday that the last pile of contaminated soil was removed from the future site of a resort casino in Everett.

Workers filled more than 8,800 trucks and 4,300 railcars with soil contaminated with toxins like PCBs, Wynn said, and the project saw 630,000 tons of contaminated soil "safely and successfully" transported to licensed landfills across the country.

Remediation of the 33-acre site will cost Wynn $30 million and the company said the cleanup is funded without any taxpayer dollars.
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https://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2017/04/contaminated_soil_cleared_from.html

The Monsanto Everett site produced sulfuric acid, plasticizer, and polyvinyl butyral (PVB), which is used to make laminated safety glass. Polyvinyl butyral is not considered a hazardous chemical. Plasticizers are used to make PVC pipe, and there is dispute whether they may be endocrine disrupters.

It is more than ironic that a certain poster would criticize the private sector for cleaning up a contaminated site, without the government helping to pay for it.
 
FenwayResident said:
So when someone goes and shoots up a school, it's also the government's fault for not having stricter gun control... right? Don't blame the shooter, blame the government.
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There is a big difference in an individual who is going to commit an unspeakable act against humanity vs a govt approval of a corporation that is being allowed to poison it’s people through it’s food chain.

We have govt agencies that we fund in billions of dollars a year to protect the American People.
FDA , EPA, SEC, FBI—-just seems that the agencies are tainted protecting corporate interests over human values

Where was the EPA, state, FBI and local agencies concerning Monsanto when they were polluting the mystic river and the entire Everett land along with the air?

No accountability on individuals . They just fine the corporations and allow the management to continue their evil operations.

These are criminal acts that our govt agencies hold nobody accountable.
 
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TheRifleman said:
There is a big difference in an individual who is going to commit an unspeakable act against humanity vs a govt approval of a corporation that is being allowed to poison it’s people through it’s food chain.

We have govt agencies that we fund in billions of dollars a year to protect the American People.
FDA , EPA, SEC, FBI

Where was the EPA, state, FBI and local agencies concerning Monsanto when they were polluting the mystic river and the entire Everett land along with the air?

No accountability on individuals . They just fine the corporations and allow the management to continue their evil operations.

These are criminal acts that our govt agencies hold nobody accountable.
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Your knowledge about the law seems to be less and less, while your ability to make unfounded assertions and accusations grows all the greater.

Any direct discharge by Monsanto into the Mystic River was regulated by the Federal EPA under the Clean Water Act of 1972. Monsanto closed Everett in 1992, so if there were any direct discharges they ended at that point. (All direct discharges into the navigable waters of the United States are regulated by the NPDES permit program created by the Clean Water Act.)

According to this study in 1979, the only direct discharges from Monsanto into the Mystic River was uncontaminated cooling water. This citation below is to a areawide plan prepared by the Metropolitan Area Planning Council.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/bosto...-environmental-impact-statement/oclc/70946730
 
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TheRifleman said:
Isn't that the reason why we fund these GOVT agencies like the FDA, EPA with annual budgets that run around 5.1 Billion dollars a year to prevent the mass murdering of innocent civilians from these corporations?

I don't blame Monsanto I blame Federal and State Govt's for allowing this type of action.

This is disturbing at all levels of morality. Govt is clearly the problem they are intertwined with corporations at this point.
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Rifleman,

Do you understand that Monsanto wasn't the first company that was given the green light back in the 1950's, right? I'm sure that if city and state back in 1958 knew what Monsanto would end up doing to Everett residents, that they wouldn't have been allowed to build on that site.

Getting back on subject, I heard on WBUR's Radio Boston that the project was in the red and might not be completed in time. Is that true?
 
A brief history of the site is as follows:

New England Chemical 1868-1872
Cochrane Chemical Works 1872-1917. (Largest employer in Everett by 1875)
Merrimac Chemical 1917-1929
Monsanto 1929-1992 (East side of site sold to Boston Edison in 1983).
 
You sound like the politicians & the Govt agencies saying it’s okay to drink the water in Flint, Michigan. Thank god those Americans are just poor families right stellarfun?

That’s an assertion right? Thank god I have no knowledge of the law or
No what I’m talking about.

After the 1972 clean water act that would explain why the Woburn water suplply was contaminated in the mid to late 70’s.
 
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TheRifleman said:
You sound like the politicians & the Govt agencies saying it’s okay to drink the water in Flint, Michigan. Thank god those Americans are just poor families right stellarfun?

That’s an assertion right? Thank god I have no knowledge of the law or
No what I’m talking about.

After the 1972 clean water act that would explain why the Woburn water suplply was contaminated in the mid to late 70’s.
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This thread is about Everett, --not Woburn, not Fall River, not Flint. But with respect to the larger picture, it is interesting to see you siding with the environmentalists, such as CLF.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifesty...lding-sites/JE8OA4eaEEtQgBPA6FtNUL/story.html

Here is the environmental assessment of the contamination of the former Monsanto site in Everett.

https://encorebostonharbor.com/files/RevSuppPhaseIIRpt123016.pdf

It is over 2600 pages so I expect it will take some time for you to find the salient points within that might support your argument.

..........And ah, the contamination of the Superfund site (Industri-plex) in Woburn began in 1853, which is 120 years prior to the Clean Water Act becoming law.
 
My main point is the taxpayers fund these govt agencies that run annual budgets in the multi billions of dollars per year.
FDA, EPA, SEC, FBI, NSA, CIA, DEA, FBI....ECT (How many more agencies do the taxpayers need to fund to realize that the Politicans/Govt agencies are in bed with the corporations along with their executives?

Monsanto/FDA---Approved a products that could potentially harm the masses against the America public long-term health.

Monsanto/EPA---Destroys land contaminates the entire area and in the end gets a fine of 30 Million (If that)

EPA/Michigan Political officials---Its 2018 children in Flint Michigan are drinking water that is poisoned. I guess they don't have the Clean Water Act in Flint.

These corporations get unlimited tax incentives, pollute and destroy land, kill innocent civilians but our Govt agencies don't do anything. Our leaders/Govt Agencies support his. This is a CRIME and when a decision is made in a corporations those that represent the corporations like management should be held accountable.

Nah........ lets offer them taxpayers bailout money to clean up the land after they contaminate the land and destroyed families that lived around the area.

I can deal if a corporation makes a mistake and takes accountability to clean up their mistake but what is going on is just criminal acts and our Govt agencies only go after the certain groups that threaten to expose the system.
 
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These corporations get unlimited tax incentives, pollute and destroy land, kill innocent civilians but our Govt agencies don't do anything. Our leaders/Govt Agencies support his. This is a CRIME and when a decision is made in a corporations those that represent the corporations like management should be held accountable.
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Didnt you vote for Trump who is the ring leader of this exact thing?
 
TheRifleman is just trolling and FUD'ing the thread 'cause he doesn't like the casino or whatever.

And I think an environmental cleanups thread might be worthwhile as there are multiple places that need to get an extensive environmental clean-up before we can even start talking about redevelopment.

The Casino clean-up is done.
 
Powerful people with nice salaries/benefits/titles end up looking out for one another, and generally refrain from rocking the boat? Will wonders never cease?
 
For purveyors of fake facts,

Corporations did not cause or create the drinking water contamination in Flint. It was the lead water pipes, which were and are the responsibility of the city. (The Safe Drinking Water Act regulates drinking water supplies; it became law (and is different than) after the Clean Water Act.)

The FDA does not regulate Monsanto; EPA is the primarily regulator of genetically modified plants.

The EPA claim is non-specific as to location; Monsanto and another company paid $700 million to settle claims with respect to PCB contamination in Anniston Alabama. That was 15 years ago.
 
stellarfun said:
Corporations did not cause or create the drinking water contamination in Flint. It was the lead water pipes, which were and are the responsibility of the city. (The Safe Drinking Water Act regulates drinking water supplies; it became law (and is different than) after the Clean Water Act.)
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Hate to drag this further off, but have to note a minor correction:

The lead pipes themselves were fine until the Snyder-appointed "Emergency Manager" of Flint made the executive decision to switch the water source from Lake Huron/Detroit River to the Flint River. The Flint River water wasn't treated properly/was too harsh, which caused lead from the pipes to flake off in the pipes contaminating the water. Had the water not been switched, the lead pipes would still be fine. It was not the lead pipes. It was the cheaper, poorly-treated water source.
 
datadyne007 said:
Hate to drag this further off, but have to note a minor correction:

The lead pipes themselves were fine until the Snyder-appointed "Emergency Manager" of Flint made the executive decision to switch the water source from Lake Huron/Detroit River to the Flint River. The Flint River water wasn't treated properly/was too harsh, which caused lead from the pipes to flake off in the pipes contaminating the water. Had the water not been switched, the lead pipes would still be fine. It was not the lead pipes. It was the cheaper, poorly-treated water source.
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Correct. (Detroit's water included an additive to inhibit lead from contaminating the water. Flint, when it switched the supply, neglected to include the additive.)

This illustrated paper by the American Chemical Society explains what happened; includes gross-looking color photographs of Flint water as collected at the faucet.

https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acs...16/chemmatters-dec2016-flint-water-crisis.pdf
 
datadyne007 said:
Hate to drag this further off, but have to note a minor correction:

The lead pipes themselves were fine until the Snyder-appointed "Emergency Manager" of Flint made the executive decision to switch the water source from Lake Huron/Detroit River to the Flint River.
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Its worse than that.

There's a case to be made that the motivation for the switch to Flint river water was a scheme by the Emergency Manager and his cronies to drive the Detroit regional water authority into bankruptcy by depriving it of Flint revenue, and then to privatize it at a low low price (and without the legacy debt burden).

Then as a result some good old boys would have a private monopoly on drinking water for Detroit until the end of time, more or less. (And its likely the emergency manager would also have changed the rules so that the new private water authority could take a lien on real estate for failure to pay the new very expensive water bills, and thereby get a realllllly nice windfall).

Essentially they were trying to create an unaccountable & unlimited private taxation authority - the essence of tyranny. Never let a crisis go to waste, etc etc.

IOW the problem isn't corporations per se - the problem is organized capital gaining control of the apparatus of public administration and using it to impose something that closely resembles a feudal socio-economic order.
 
Getting its name!

https://twitter.com/AnthonyGulizia/status/1029753548446343168

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