Encore Boston Harbor Casino | 1 Broadway | Everett

jass said:
Nah, on an international scale, people think of THE MOTHER FUCKING CAPITOL, Miami, Orlando, and Vegas well before they think of Boston, and they certainly think of SF first.

And Miami only has 463,347 residents.
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well...

one: D.C. isn't a city, but sure. ok, fine. yes, the capital of the most powerful nation on earth is more significant, globally, than boston.

two: you really believe that, internationally, people think of orlando(!?!?!) as outstripping boston in terms of importance? i'm curious where you travel and what your criteria are. if we're talking "entertainment" value, then sure -- disney world, universal, etc. by that metric, anaheim is more important than san francisco.

three: it's all anecdotal and subjective, so there's no "winning" this type of argument, but i based my observation on traveling often -- frankfurt, shanghai, london, paris, rome -- for business. we can debate the finer points (if you note, i did rank s.f. ahead of boston in my own personal tally), but if you think global cultural/financial decision-makers consider vegas and certainly orlando (again -- what?!?!?) "above" boston, then (again) i wonder where you're doing business.
 
atlantaden said:
It's always a complete surprise for Bostonians that Boston makes any ranking at all as far as powerful global cities, never mind, that Boston appears in many rankings of economic might and influence.

https://www.atkearney.com/global-cities/full-report

https://www.rediff.com/business/sli...-powerful-cities-in-the-world/20120510.htm#13

https://www.businessinsider.com/gdp-by-city-2011-3

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...e-world-and-they-re-not-the-ones-you-d-expect
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no surprise here, buddy :)
 
jass said:
Nah, on an international scale, people think of THE MOTHER FUCKING CAPITOL, Miami, Orlando, and Vegas well before they think of Boston, and they certainly think of SF first.

And Miami only has 463,347 residents.
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If talking about going on vacation, then maybe people will think of Orlando, Vegas & Miami before Boston, but not in terms of importance.
 
jass said:
Nah, on an international scale, people think of THE MOTHER FUCKING CAPITOL, Miami, Orlando, and Vegas well before they think of Boston, and they certainly think of SF first.

And Miami only has 463,347 residents.
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The true measure of a city's size is metro area. Otherwise, El Paso, Texas is bigger than Boston, and much bigger than Miami. Ever been to El Paso? Ha! And once Encore and Hub on Causeway open, a serious new vibe and infrastructure is created. You need to visualize the end result, not the current. Moreover, the Chinese will flock to Encore. That's big money. I got some interesting stories in Vegas with that segment. I think all the Chinese big pharma companies opening up satellite offices in the Boston area will use Encore as their default afterhours meeting location. Boston, outside Las Vegas, will be the only large U.S. city with a Vegas scaled and styled casino (you can't compare the MGM in Detroit).
 
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Rents are going up dramatically since the casino is bringing in additional 2500 more jobs into the area.

Everett, Chelsea, Revere, Malden are all gone now. There is really no place cheap in Boston. Even if Real estate crashed 50% a blue collared family will struggle in this area now.

Boston is a cosmopolitan ---We went down the path of NYC

I think the Casino is going to be exciting in Boston---and Boston will change forever 4 O'clock----Partying all night. Drugs, Partying, Top of the Tier call girls.
 
chrisbrat said:
In terms of "perception," this tiny city -- the 21st largest in the country, 566th in the world -- is probably the fourth most significant in the U.S. (behind NYC, LA, Chicago, and -- just barely -- S.F.) and I do think additions like this Encore project add to that.
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If you're considering Boston the 21st biggest city in the US, then there has been no addition of any casino.
Metro Boston is an important region.
 
Biggest waste of money is the seaport convention center---Most companies are going to want to have convention near the casino and live entertainment.

All the tax dollars pumped into the Seaport--- Only to be outdone by private money developments like Assembly Row and The casino in the end.

Nobody wants to go to the convention center over the Casino.
I expect in the future that Gateway Stripmall will be bought out and more expansion with partying hotels and other entertainment venues will start focus their energy for Everett.

Everett became what the Seaport should have without all these corporate tax breaks.
 
TC_zoid said:
Boston, outside Las Vegas, will be the only large U.S. city with a Vegas scaled and styled casino (you can't compare the MGM in Detroit).
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Don't get me wrong... there isn't a bigger cheerleader for Encore Boston Harbor than I am. It's going to be tremendous for our region. However, I've been to 60+ casinos domestically, abroad, and at sea, and I want to back peddle your comment. Wynn/Encore is definitely one of the finest quality resorts in the world, but it's disingenuous to claim no other large US cities have 'Vegas-scaled and styled casinos'.

A few precedent-setting US casinos to look at:

Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino - Hollywood, FL (Miami/Ft. Lauderdale)
Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino - Tampa, FL

Jack Casino - Cincinnati, OH
Motor City Casino - Detroit, MI

And Yes, the MGM Grand - Detroit, MI. Just because something isn't a Wynn or Sands 5-star casino resort doesn't mean it's any less comparable to a Vegas-scaled and styled casino.
 
Moreover, The Encore is going to have European styled, glass roofed boats going from the back of TD Garden to the casino, probably 24/7. In addition, TD Garden getting major expansion with VIP areas looking out to the playing surface. And, the new 40 story hotel going up will have a huge outdoor plaza on the 14th floor, looking out to the city. Also, Live Nation, the giant concert and event promoter, putting in a giant new club. There is more, including a new 47 story residential tower (Bullfinch) a block away. When you add it all up, with the events at TD Garden, it becomes something on the idea of what the Staples Center complex is in LA, except they don't have a casino, a ten minute drive away. This is why I mentioned prestige events like award shows. Not the Oscars and Emmy's, but the mid-sized ones. There are dozens and dozens. I work for the company that reps a huge celebrity music act. We are already talking about the "new Boston." And Harvard and MIT around the corner doesn't hurt. Everyone in Hollywood knows you put the Harvard grad candidate at the top of the selection pile. But yes, when you think of neighboring towns like Revere, you scratch your head. I used to scratch my head with Venice, CA years back, when it was infested with gangs. Now Google pretty much owns Venice. I don't laugh any more.
 
Ok ok...

The encore boats will run from Everett to long wharf and fan pier not TD. And if Boston is so awesome now can someone please fix Sullivan sq for real? It sucks worse than ever with the additional traffic lights, large mounds of dirt, and unstriped roadways.
 
Not sure what "top of the tier call girls" has to do with anything.

And yeah, Sullivan is still going to be an asphalt crossroads. The additional sidewalk space, bike lanes, and landscaping are nice, but it's not a real "square."
 
617 said:
Ok ok...

The encore boats will run from Everett to long wharf and fan pier not TD. And if Boston is so awesome now can someone please fix Sullivan sq for real? It sucks worse than ever with the additional traffic lights, large mounds of dirt, and unstriped roadways.
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Doesn't that mean it's not done yet?
 
chrisbrat said:
two: you really believe that, internationally, people think of orlando(

it's all anecdotal and subjective, so there's no "winning" this type of argument,.
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Nah, we got facts.

Plane tickets.

This is a couple of years old, but Boston ranked 8th.

https://www.infoplease.com/world/tr...s-and-cities-visited-overseas-travelers-20141

Which reminds me...if youre in Asia, then yes Honolulu ranks a whole lot higher than a Boston (whats a Boston?)

People go places they know about.


TC_zoid said:
Boston, outside Las Vegas, will be the only large U.S. city with a Vegas scaled and styled casino (you can't compare the MGM in Detroit).
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I am going to have to disagree with this.

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Jass, I think you're missing the "large U.S. city" part of TC_zoid's statement.

Atlantic City is a good song by Springsteen, but it is NOT a "large U.S. city" in any meaningful way whatsoever.
 
rjacobs said:
Jass, I think you're missing the "large U.S. city" part of TC_zoid's statement.

Atlantic City is a good song by Springsteen, but it is NOT a "large U.S. city" in any meaningful way whatsoever.
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Fun fact:

Paradise, Nevada (home to the Vegas Strip) has a lower population than Reno.


...point being, no one thinks big city = casino.

Casinos exist as their own thing. People go to them when theyre in the middle of nowhere. People go to big sexy cities and completely ignore them.

For example, no one here named MGM National Harbor, as a big city vegas style casino. Why? No one goes to DC and has it on their list of places.

DC gets a shit ton of conventions. The casino not being nearby isnt an issue because no one gives a shit.


But you do know what people like?

Being able to eat and drink past 2am. Now thats the big city life. NYC, Vegas, Miami...you can drink until 4am or all night long.
 
jass said:
For example, no one here named MGM National Harbor, as a big city vegas style casino. Why? No one goes to DC and has it on their list of places.

DC gets a shit ton of conventions. The casino not being nearby isnt an issue because no one gives a shit.
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I have to disagree there. Folks I know in DC have had corporate functions at the MGM, as it has the largest ballrooms in the area. That's very different from the Encore (I mean, just look at the MGM - it's an enormous brick), but the girth is an amenity.

dshoost88 said:
Don't get me wrong... there isn't a bigger cheerleader for Encore Boston Harbor than I am. It's going to be tremendous for our region. However, I've been to 60+ casinos domestically, abroad, and at sea, and I want to back peddle your comment. Wynn/Encore is definitely one of the finest quality resorts in the world, but it's disingenuous to claim no other large US cities have 'Vegas-scaled and styled casinos'.

A few precedent-setting US casinos to look at:

Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino - Hollywood, FL (Miami/Ft. Lauderdale)
Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino - Tampa, FL

Jack Casino - Cincinnati, OH
Motor City Casino - Detroit, MI

And Yes, the MGM Grand - Detroit, MI. Just because something isn't a Wynn or Sands 5-star casino resort doesn't mean it's any less comparable to a Vegas-scaled and styled casino.
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I don't have any experience going to casinos, but isn't the big city casino a trend now, being driven mostly by the newly-permissive attitude toward gambling in those regions?

https://philly.curbed.com/2017/11/3/16602166/south-philly-casino-construction-date-2018

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...cago-casino-port-district-20181212-story.html

https://politics.myajc.com/blog/pol...h-for-casino-projects/pCC6GmRdIWwaD8d647pm3I/

Not to mention New Orleans.
 
Yes, Atlantic City does not make the large U.S. city list. Outside gambling and live performances, it has virtually nothing a big city like Boston has, except the crime. That it does have. Another important metric with my argument is the summer tourist season in New England. In 2017, 36.7 million tourists visited Maine (probably will reach 40 million for 2018). The vast majority either fly in and out of Boston, or drive from or past to get to Maine. The Encore will be a nice pit stop. It's ALL about convenience today for people. In addition, the new Encore is being designed around today's customer needs, and that is, simply, FOOD. You noticed how fat everyone is? Compare new modifications at Fenway and TD Garden (40 mill more being spent). Great places to watch the game and eat food. Sports venues that do not have dynamic places to eat and drink are being torn down, or substantially modified. The Encore design is clever, and the pedestrian waterfront has over 100 shops and places to eat. And there will be music and sporting events, and these people want food and drink too. The view of downtown to Back Bay will be outstanding. I know it's Everett, and there is that lovely power plant next door, but you simply put up a big wall and/or trees to block the sight. They have also done a fantastic job of cleaning, dredging the water around the hotel (spent 40 mill). It will be quite compelling a place to be on a warm summer night. Steve Wynn would not spend $2.5 billion to fall short. His properties in Vegas and Macau do quite well with hundreds of competitors. Encore Boston has none, or in the immediate area. The advent of the smart phone (2008) has changed everything for today's consumer, and these new entertainment options being built in Boston are designing and building with this in mind. Have you noticed who the GIANT anchor tenant in the new 35 story tower going up next month at Hub on Causeway will be? Verizon.
 
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I know when I think about enjoying walking along the rustic villages and beaches of Maine, hiking the white mountains, and camping in the vast forests, stopping by a smoke-filled casino is the first thing I want to do.
 
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