Fairmount Line Upgrade

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DMU's and EMU's don't need to be one or the other. As noted, you can shift the DMU fleet around to other diesel lines. Of which there are easily 4 or 5 routes ready-serve for 'em. And the driver for an EMU fleet is going to be Providence + RIDOT South County CR on the NEC, not Fairmount. The fleet scale of Providence, etc.'s 2020's decade needs dwarfs the xMU vehicle requirements for Fairmount. It's a rough, exaggerated analogue of New Haven Line vs. Shore Line East...SLE's share of the M8 fleet running 2-4 car consists on a modest schedule is a drop in the bucket vs. the 8-10 car consists that saturate the New Haven Line minutes apart. SLE just sips off the very tail end of Metro North's option orders. That's more or less what Fairmount would do if the T and RIDOT went all-in on an NEC pool order.

Keep in mind, the T is not going to be mass-purchasing DMU's or displacing the push-pull fleet. They're a terrible fit for all the 495-oriented lines that need the huge seating capacity of a 6 bi-level push-pull consist because their headways can never be tight enough, and the performance difference with wide stop spacing is not huge. It widens to meaningful levels only with tight stop density and the premium on fast boarding that comes with local/inner, clock-facing service. The T is not going back to the Budd days where Newburyport only ran 1 round trip today on a singlet or 2-car. Ridership in the 60's and 70's was a whole different universe. With the unit cost of DMU's being what they are, those are only for the targeted 128-turning local/neighborhood routes where 1-3 single-levels running frequently will do it. Different vehicles for different purposes.

If Fairmount gets wires and there's a pool EMU fleet, send them to Riverside-via-Worcester. If Riverside gets wires, send them to Reading or Waltham/128 via Fitchburg. Fairmount and Worcester are the only southside lines with projected frequencies dense enough to pay off the capital investment in wires. The northside is going to stay all-diesel until/unless the N-S Link forces the issue. And that'll be beyond the lifespan of a first DMU order. So if the vehicle market is sufficiently up-to-task for an order that'll return investment (note: today that's still iffy, so they're well-advised to be careful doing their homework and not hastily rush), go for it. They will always be have some line on the system where they're ideally fit even if they shift around. From Day 1 till the day those first vehicles get retired. Service obsolescence is not a concern at all.


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As for electrification of the Fairmount, as long as clearances are OK for 25 kV wires it shouldn't be that expensive. Here's how the NEC west-of-New Haven electrification works:
-- Large substations approx. every 30 miles. Currently located in Branford, New London, Warwick, and Sharon. All of them have future upgrade space to add equipment for capacity boosts when commuter rail uses the whole length of the Shoreline and most of MA/RI gets 3 wired tracks...as you can see from how empty the Sharon site is compared to, say, your average residential power substation like this one at Alewife.
-- Switching stations at phase breaks (i.e. the circuit breakers controlling stretches of overhead). Placed halfway between large substations in Westbrook, Richmond, and Norton (west side of tracks...that's a cell tower on the east side)
-- Small paralleling stations every 6 miles. Ones on the Providence Line are in Roxbury, Readville at the NEC/Fairmount junction, East Foxboro, Norton at the switching station, Attleboro, and Providence.


Amtrak's NEC Infrastructure Master Plan calls for a major substation to be added near Southampton to power the necessary SS expansion, Southampton expansion, tri- and quad-tracking inside 128, and commuter rail traffic...separating the power-hungry terminal end from Sharon. They would be paying for a majority of it since it's their terminal yard and driven as an Amtrak-first initiative, with the T chucking in proportional for commuter rail sharing. It is quite likely to be provisioned with lots of open expansion space like Sharon is, because all that was planned out pretty immaculately a decade in advance of the Acela.

-- Southampton is where Fairmount would tether off as its 'home' substation. The expandability of the site would support future Worcester electrification on the T's dime if they gradually added equipment to the substation. Again, majority fed/Amtrak funding on the initial build with T paying in for CR sharing and future expansion of the site.
-- The existing Readville site would be the anchor on the other end, since it's at the junction. Being at the midpoint between Southampton and Sharon substations, it would be upgraded to a combo switching and parallel station like Norton is. Amtrak would pay vast majority since switching station there is a requirement if they build anything at Southampton. Not a coincidence that the Readville one is placed in no-man's land between the junction...Amtrak had all these gradual expansion provisions immaculately planned 20 years ago.
-- 1 paralleling substation would have to be installed somewhere in the middle of the Fairmount somewhere in the Talbot Ave.-Morton St. stretch. That is the only piece of power source infrastructure they would pay for 100%...a real bargain compared to what it usually takes.
-- Rest of T's responsibility is just wires and poles. Clearances and whether bridges need to be modified...well, here's the official CAHSR guidelines based off Amtrak's NEC specs if you have an advanced electrical engineering degree and can read this exhaustive gibberish. It's all Greek to me.


Really not bad at all cost-wise given the tie-ins at both ends of a short 10-mile line. I doubt it tops $75M-$100M unless the engineering assessment of the 10 under-street and 3 under-footbridge structures start piling up as clearance problems that can't be solved by trackbed undercutting.
 
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F-Line ... I've been away for too too long ... Too Too Many things are slipping by

Well I'm back .. though I'm trying to keep my obsessive participation under control

Anyway

"as you can see from how empty the Sharon site is compared to, say, your average residential power substation like this one at Alewife."

Sorry that power substation at Alewife is not average and not Residential

Alewife aka Fresh Pond is a major junction point for the inner HV inter-ties between the local and regional with very big transformers and very Big Switches interconnecting with other such major sites within and without Boston / Cambridge such as the site on Middlesex Turnpike in Burlington. Serious power flows course through there that have nothing to do with the local residences, Feshpond Shopping Center, or even the local office / R&D Park

This station can redirect a good fraction of flows from the huge generation complex on the Mystic River -- it could {guessing a bit power the entire mainline of the Northeast Corridor}
 
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Ridership has been ticking up. I've been hearing that Four Corners is getting some decent ridership the past couple weeks. Looking good! A little more fine tuning and this thing should be working well.
 
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Lots of threads for this to go in these days... maybe one just for DMU discussions moving forward? Anyhoo, those pesky FRA standards may not last long enough to matter in Boston.

http://nextcity.org/theworks/entry/modern-european-train-designs-american-tracks-2015-fra

Although the high-floor requirement for Boston would rule out standard versions of things like the Stadler GTW, Bombardier Talent, Alstom Coradia, or Siemens Desiro Classic. The Nippon-Sharyo cars or something built to a carbody layout of the same type would still be required here.

Interestingly, while the FRA is looking to make it easier for off the shelf European designs to be used in general, the FTA has increased enforcement of "Buy America" requirements that 60% of a rail car purchased with FTA funds have U.S. content. They have been issuing fewer waivers than in the past, and there has been some talk of pushing up the requirement to 100% U.S. content.
 
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Lots of threads for this to go in these days... maybe one just for DMU discussions moving forward? Anyhoo, those pesky FRA standards may not last long enough to matter in Boston.

http://nextcity.org/theworks/entry/modern-european-train-designs-american-tracks-2015-fra

Well...caveat. The FRA is taking up the recs. Whether it will enact them all or water it down to something that's better than today but still well short of "off-shelf" remains to be seen. Whether it will announce they've passed something by 2015 or take its sweet time debating with itself for another year or two beyond that remains to be seen. And whether they announce anything or not, the very act of fleshing out the fine print and modifying their own bureaucracy will induce a couple more years' lag before the new regs become law before buyers can go shopping.

Magic of low expectations is what makes it big news that they are advancing such changes to internal review. Stuff like that usually gets stopped at the door. It's in the door; now it has to get through the labyrinthine building and out the other side. An entirely different matter.


Realistically, you're talking 2020 before Crazy Eddie's Imported Train Emporium opens its showroom to U.S. buyers. Which is beyond the scope of any rolling stock purchase any agency will be making this decade since those are procured minimum 3 years in advance. Realistically it's still going to be well shy of 100% off-shelf with the regs still requiring some degree of U.S. customization limiting how much the free market can drop prices here. Although ANYTHING that retires the FRA's asinine buff strength regs for saner aggregate-crashworthiness metrics can't be understated as a humongous victory unto itself. And then..."Buy America" and "Buy [insert state here]" being a whole other unrelated ball of wax that ties transit agencies' hands and jacks up the prices.


It's good, but think of this helping Amtrak's Acela-replacement order more than anything that will help replace or augment the T's commuter rail fleet as it exists today. DMU's, and the procurement decisions they have to fund by no later than FY2018 to retire the last half of the legacy locomotive roster and all remaining single-level coaches are going to be business as usual. They can't exactly delay that near-$1B in purchase decisions in hopes of a better value when the extra duct tape needed to wheeze the old equipment along a few years extra costs an arm and a leg itself. That would be repeating the same problem that's plaguing them now.

Most likely if the FRA offers anything new up that syncs up with a T procurement...it'll be for their second order of DMU's expanding the "Fairmounted" offerings to a whole new and wider slate of lines.
 
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Ridership has been ticking up. I've been hearing that Four Corners is getting some decent ridership the past couple weeks. Looking good! A little more fine tuning and this thing should be working well.

Has there been some recent media/release of numbers? I'd be interested in seeing it.
 
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On Thursday afternoon, the Massachusetts Department of Transportation (MassDOT) released its Capital Investment Plan for 2014 through 2018

If all went according to plan, in the next 10 years MassDOT would like to roll out their “vision for the MBTA in 2024,” where other DMU lines would run alongside existing Commuter Rail tracks. According to a map produced by MassDOT as part of the report, the Indigo Line would expand in the next decade, and make loops into Fort Point, near the Convention Center, as well as provide trips to Back Bay, Fenway, Riverside, and swing into Cambridge, before making its way to North Station. There is also a proposal to have DMUs travel alongside the Lowell Line, and Rockport Line, coming to a halt in communities that don’t necessarily have frequent stops—but those are just hopes for the future.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/01/09/massdot-capital-plan-proposal/

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Wouldn't putting DMUs along the same line as commuter rail trains kind of be competing interests between Keolis and MBTA?
 
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http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/01/09/massdot-capital-plan-proposal/

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Wouldn't putting DMUs along the same line as commuter rail trains kind of be competing interests between Keolis and MBTA?

No. Because Keolis operates the DMU's same as they do the push-pull fleet. Same operating and staffing rules apply; it's just a different vehicle on the same operation. Doesn't suddenly become the Red Line with new rolling stock. Those tracks are still a common carrier FRA-regulated railroad.



Having them roam all lines is gonna be tough. If they want the most rapid transit-like door configuration they have to order vehicles that are high platform only. That's where they were leaning in recent public statements. To interface with low platforms they need the same end-vestibule configuration the CR coaches have today. Which works well enough, but isn't exactly a rapid transit-esque crowd swallower. Lowell Line being a freight clearance route can never ever have full-highs at West Medford, Wedgemere, Mishawum, and especially Winchester Ctr. up on the viaduct. So either they have to order the platform-universal DMU's, have to only open 1 door at the mini-high at a dwell time penalty and ops-cumbersomeness that doesn't suit a 15-20 min. headway service, or concede that it they aren't ever going to roam in regular service on the Lowell, Franklin, and outer-half Worcester, Fitchburg, and Haverhill Lines. And really, if we're only talking inner stops I'd rather sacrifice Lowell and use the superior door configuration everywhere else than let 3 or 4 stops on 1 line dictate their vehicle choice. If they boot the Haverhill half of Haverhill/Reading over to the Lowell Line that doubles up the push-pull frequencies to plenty good enough. That's the only clearance route of any consequence that pokes close to town, and we're rather fortunate that such a high % of the system can go full-high without issue (but for the $$$ and huge backlog of non-accessible platforms to retrofit).



They are going to have to come to grips with CR's high operating costs (discussed at length in the CR operator contract threads) and the implications of going so whole-hog with loss leader service like this while their funding sources are unchanged. Good transit idea or not, it's all semi-disingenuous daydreaming aloud on their part until the Legislature tackles wholesale reform. Same goes for fares and squaring all of this equitably and transparently when some lines only hit Zone 1 or 2 on their outermost stops while some hit Zone 3 or 4 going the same distance. That's a steep fare reduction to Salem and Beverly to institute that service...not a fare increase everywhere else to round it up.
 
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Is New Boston Balance Brighton Landing now renamed "West Station?"
 
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Is New Boston Balance Brighton Landing now renamed "West Station?"

I'm assuming that is "Allston/Brighton" on this map. That name makes perfect sense for the station's location. But, the question is....where is "West Station"? My guess is BU somewhere.
 
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I'm assuming that is "Allston/Brighton" on this map. That name makes perfect sense for the station's location. But, the question is....where is "West Station"? My guess is BU somewhere.

If you look at the old DMU study, the name "West Station" is applied to a bus hub/CR station on the railyard behind BU. I believe that the study envisions a somewhat sprawling complex of bus parking, ramps and such. It's as silly a name as Boston Landing (a name which, I notice, didn't make the map).

Also, DMUs to Riverside should come with a Newton Corner station.
 
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Wait, so New Balance and Yawkee would no longer be stops on the Worcester Line? Indigo service for those is nice, but its not the suburban access that I thought they were intended for.

Would "West Station" be the target of major development, or another Sullivan? That is - an important mode transfer point, but not exactly part of the "city".
 
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I'm disheartened to see no hint of UR beyond the SL extension. Shit.

Can we get some people that actually live in this city and ride the T to work for the T?!?
 
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The most important thing in all of this is that we're still fuckin' that Fall River/New Bedford chicken.

Hard.

:rolleyes:
 
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If all the non-scr stuff gets done by 2024, I'll be happy as a clam. Especially grand junction dmu service.
 
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The most important thing in all of this is that we're still fuckin' that Fall River/New Bedford chicken.

To be fair, if they'd announced out of the blue that SCR wasn't in the 2024 plans, hell would have broken loose. Even if Davey doesn't like it, he can't go against the momentum now, and you'll notice that other than being on the map it got no press.

If all the non-scr stuff gets done by 2024, I'll be happy as a clam. Especially grand junction dmu service.

I like the idea of using the GJ, but I'm not sure this is the best way to do it. It doesn't really connect to anything. I'm all for making small positive steps, of course, but are that many people looking to get from Allston to MIT on a train?
 
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are that many people looking to get from Allston to MIT on a train?

You mean: do people want to live in a relatively inexpensive, ethnically diverse (ok, I mean asian), and youthful neighborhood and be one train stop away from MIT and high-tech jobs? In a word, yes.
 
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Having them roam all lines is gonna be tough. If they want the most rapid transit-like door configuration they have to order vehicles that are high platform only. That's where they were leaning in recent public statements. To interface with low platforms they need the same end-vestibule configuration the CR coaches have today. .

Door configurations like a SEPTA Silverliner V accomodate both low and high platform boardings that aren't at the end-vestibules:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SJgKFEmhICE/TUhUrv2H-KI/AAAAAAAADw4/nsxYbYBUuak/s1600/photo.JPG

The Nippon-Sharyo DMU basic carbody shell looks like it could accomodate such a door design
 

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