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We live in a state where people who are functionally illiterate or even worse don't speak or understand any English can get licenses

What exactly does not knowing the language have to do with ones ability to drive?

Almost every country in the world allows tourists to drive without having to know a single word of the local language, even in areas with different alphabets.

You dont have to speak the language to figure out what an 8 sided red sign means.
 
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The driving test was simply ridiculously easy, though. State Trooper had me take 3 right turns, make a 3-point turn which ended up having to be 5 due to the snowbanks, and then I was told I passed and to switch with the kid in the back.

Likewise. I was nervous when I called and got the first available appointment which was in Lynn. Growing up in Cohasset, the worst I had to contend with was the Hingham traffic circle on 3A. So the idea of driving in a busier place like Lynn was a bit daunting. But, in the end, all I did was drive around the block, one of the sleepiest in Lynn, I'm sure, and back up in a straight line for about 10 seconds.

Granted, I'm a pretty cautious driver and these days I rarely have the need to drive, so I don't consider myself a menace on the roads. But I agree that if we made process of getting a licence more difficult and/or more expensive, some might be coaxed into public transit. Driving is by no means a right.
 
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And so it begins.....


its been slow around here so have been looking for news on older projects and found this.

Construction gets under way at Talbot Ave. commuter rail stop
By Gintautas Dumcius

Created 12/02/2010 - 7:00am

By Gintautas Dumcius [1]
Dec. 2, 2010

Construction workers set up shop this week at the Talbot Ave. commuter rail site, one of the four stops in Dorchester and Mattapan that are being added to a line that runs between South Station in downtown Boston and the Readville neighborhood.

Work started in early November on the $15.9 million project, which also includes the reconstruction of the railroad bridges at Talbot and Woodrow avenues. The Park Street footbridge is expected to come down later this week.

The Talbot station, located six blocks west of Codman Square, will include 800-foot long high-level platforms, passenger shelters, new lighting, a closed circuit surveillance system, and public telephones.
?I see this as a real model for collaboration with community groups and local leaders in the city of Boston? who feel this project can jump-start neighborhood economic development,? said Richard Davey, general manager of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Agency (MBTA).

Construction is expected to continue through the winter, though transportation officials say the station will not be finished until 2012, months after a court-mandated Dec. 2011 deadline for the four stations to be constructed. The delay has been attributed to the extra time officials took to gather funding for the station and to time taken for public input on the station?s design.

?We want to make sure we do it right, not do it twice,? Davey said.

Construction on the Four Corners commuter rail station, also part of the Fairmount Line and located at Washington St. and Geneva Ave., has been under way since January. Davey said the $17.7 million station will likely be finished closer to the Dec. 2011 deadline.

Construction is set to start soon on the Newmarket station, next to the South Bay Shopping Center.

The fourth station, originally slated to be built between the overpasses of Blue Hill Ave. and Cummins Highway, is proving controversial. Earlier this year, transportation officials met with angry neighborhood residents ? potential abutters to the planned station ? who complained that it would lead to lower property values in the densely-populated neighborhood and to other ?quality of life issues.? At one point, state Sen. Jack Hart walked out of a meeting over what transportation officials called a miscommunication about whether a final decision had been made on siting the station.

Davey told the Reporter this week that transportation officials were still weighing all their options, and that each alternative presents its own challenges. ?I guess the bottom line is that there?s no perfect site,? he said.

Davey said he has been working with local lawmakers and city councillors as well as concerned abutters. ?No final decision has been made,? he said. ?We?ve really worked hard to try to accommodate the residents? concerns.?

He added that transportation officials are ?close? to a decision. ?As a result, it?s clearly going to go well beyond the deadline of 2011,? he said of the construction of that station.

As for the Talbot Ave. station, those who work in Codman Square are praising the project.
?For the first time since 1944, Codman Square will have a direct line to South Station,? said Richard Heath, a community organizer with the Codman Square Neighborhood Development Corporation.
Added Bill Walczak, executive director of the Codman Square Health Center: ?I?m very appreciative of the fact that this rail line that traversed Dorchester for the last 100 years is finally stopping in Dorchester.?

Walczak said the stations will also provide neighborhood residents with access to jobs downtown. ?The jobs are in Boston and easy access to Boston is going to help neighborhood folks,? he said.

Copyright 2010, Boston Neighborhood News, Inc.

http://www.dotnews.com/2010/construction-gets-under-way-talbot-ave-commuter-rail-stop
 
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Guess this could be relevant here. Except that the article and/or study scarcely even mentions the "Indigo" Line.

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/roxbury/2011/01/transit_study_on_corridor_betw.html

Dorchester,Mattapan,Roxbury,South End
Transit study on corridor between Red, Orange lines set to begin
by Matt Rocheleau January 6, 2011 12:46 PM

Officials are poised to launch a 15-month transit study of a major city corridor, between the Red and Orange MBTA lines, to explore travel needs and enhancement possibilities ? from improving bus service to building new transit lines.

The study is the state transportation department?s effort to continue planning in the corridor after some elected officials, residents and commuters requested MassDOT pull back on a proposal unveiled in spring 2009 to redesign MBTA bus Route 28. Opponents of that proposal sought more community input before its implementation.
The study that begins this week will hone in on areas between the Red and Orange lines that are not within a half-mile radius of the stations along either line. Organized and funded by the state transportation and the MBTA, the study area mainly covers three neighborhoods Roxbury, Mattapan and Dorchester, along with portions of the South End.

When complete next spring, the study is expected to produce a list of recommendations and strategies ?that can guide future investment in the corridor,? but ideas generated during the study will also be considered for more immediate implementation, officials said.

?While there are no funds currently dedicated to implementing study recommendations, the hope is that some of the recommendations will be short-term in nature and could be implemented as part of the MBTA's ongoing service planning,? said MBTA spokeswoman Lydia Rivera in an e-mail. ?More ambitious long-term improvements would require continued advocacy on the part of the community, their elected officials and stakeholders, in partnership with the MBTA and MassDOT to secure necessary funding.?

A flyer announcing the study poses a series of questions, ?Would you like your local MBTA service to: Get you to your destination more quickly? Have more comfortable stops and stations? Arrive on time dependably? Provide connections to more destinations? Offer enough capacity for all riders??

The study will solicit community input from commuters as they ride the T and at community events, workshops and public meetings.

?It?s your transit service and your neighborhood, so the success of the study will depend on your participation,? says a website created to provide study progress updates.

A 30-person study advisory group will be created to identify and refine recommendations that will then be submitted to state transportation and MBTA leaders. At least half of its members will be regular transit riders in, and representation will be balanced across, the study area.

Aside from public input, T and state transportation officials may also offer alternative ideas, which will be evaluated against a set of criteria to be determined as part of the public process.

The first in a series of two-hour meetings on ?The Roxbury / Dorchester / Mattapan Transit Needs Study? will be held Saturday at the William J. Devine Golf Course clubhouse in Franklin Park at 10:30 a.m. A second will be held at 6:30 p.m. on Jan. 12 at the Mattapan branch library. A third will be held at 5:30 p.m. on Jan. 13 at the Dudley branch library.

After kickoff gatherings this month, meetings will be held every one to two months for a 12-month period at a rotating list of locations throughout the study area?s neighborhoods.

The state transportation department planning staff will conduct the study. The department, which oversees the conceptual planning of all major T investments, has budgeted to spend up to $291,000 for consultant support, in addition to ?significant participation? on the part of its own and the MBTA?s staff, Rivera said.

?While there are a number of ongoing initiatives in this area ? MassDOT is taking a fresh look at strategies to improve public transportation service in the study area and is not advocating for any particular project or outcome,? she said.

Before the state transportation department stopped pursuing the proposal to convert bus Route 28 into Route 28X, officials had applied for over $115 million in federal stimulus funds. Designed to improve service between Mattapan Square and Ruggles Station the revamped bus route would have been launched in January 2012 and included dedicated bus lanes, higher-capacity buses, new stations and traffic upgrades.

Is this a joke?
 
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It sounds like this is an effort to try to bring entitled "community" leaders on board with some of the necessary / rational changes MBTA officials want to make (28 X upgrade and/or Silver Line expansion, potentially Indigo Line..the fact that this wasn't mentioned at all probably illustrates their modest and chastened hopes).
 
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Doing the Indigo Line the RIGHT Way:

Phase 1.1: Electrify the Fairmount, overhead cantenary would be best, get two EMU trains which would preferably fit the standards of Red Line cars. Those two should be enough to keep decent headways. Downgrade the whole thing to Zone 1A.

Phase 1.2: Bore a tunnel starting just before the Southhampton yards all the way to South Station. Make sure it's deep enough to pass under the Tip O'Niel and set up the South Station terminus for a free transfer to the Red Line to be possible upon later completion.

Phase 1.3: Using the Green Line Extension, continue the tracks along the Lowell Line up to Winchester at those Red Line standards. Also lay tracks along the Fitchburg's routing past BET to North Station and take measures to prepare for a quick rerouting. Meanwhile bore a tunnel from about BET or Tower A and line it up with Canal St or Friend St.

Phase 1.4: With as little downtime as possible, convert the Green Line Extension to the heavy rail standards and make all track adjustments necessary near BET to get it lined up for the tunnel to an even more advanced North Station subway station and release the whole EMU line to be on the Charlie Card from the get-go.

Phase 1.5: The most expensive part... tunnel under Congress to State, continue under Congress to Post Office Square where it can stay under Congress or bear onto Pearl St. Have a Financial District Station. Continue on and curve south to meet up at South Station. Convert the already existent southern half to Charlie Card, make the free Red Line transfer, etc. Whole line is now open and running with 6 or 8 cars per train, with each car about the size of a Red Line car (preferably for interchangeable rolling stock if ever convenient, though they'd require abilities like the Blue Line to use two different power source methods).



Someone give me a price tag?!
 
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Fairmount's got pros/cons for electrification. If it stays commuter rail it makes sense because the planned headways would support the T buying an electric fleet for it and the Providence line. However, Amtrak's not going to be interested running trains over the Fairmount line because it misses Back Bay. They'd much rather restore the derelict 4th track on the NEC from Forest Hills-Readville (partially blocked by the current Hyde Park outbound platform) and max capacity out that way.

Fairmount's never going to be more than an MBTA line. That gets iffy for the North-South Link design, which plans for 3 half-mile long incline tunnels (needed to keep the grades from the deep main tunnel from getting too steep) to South Station for the NEC, Old Colony lines, and Fairmount. Northside's just one portal. These south tri-portals are going to be almost half the total project cost because of all the infrastructure they have to dip around (whereas the main tunnel's just a scoop-and-finish between existing Big Dig slurry walls under I-93, and North Station only needs one portal). I don't think you can justify the Fairmount incline with no intercity traffic. I don't even think you can justify doing more than a future provision for the Old Colony tunnel. Not enough folks are going to go intercity from Greenbush/Plymouth/etc., and Cape Cod intercity can already be thru-routed to the NEC like the Amtrak Cape Codder used to.


Here's how I'd simplify and wring greater bang-for-buck. . .

-- A rapid-transit tunnel can have a much shorter and steeper incline than a RR tunnel. The various Link tunnel configurations include 2-track RR, 4-track RR, or 2-track RR + 2-track rapid-transit. I say do the side-by-side RR and rapid-transit. The Indigo incline would be so much shorter and cheaper to do as rapid transit than a half-mile RR tunnel that fans far off MBTA yard property.

-- Throw down third rail--not overhead--and run literal unmodified Red Line cars on the Fairmount. The line shoots on a direct trajectory to Cabot Yard, which can serve heavy maintenance for both lines with Readville being the major storage yard. Overpass the maze of Southampton yard tracks on a straight shot and put the Indigo tracks next to Haul Rd., curving around Cabot to Dorchester Ave. Further up Dot Ave. is where the Link tunnel swerves to get from SS to under I-93.

-- Broadway's got a perfectly preserved former trolley tunnel sitting directly above the Red Line tunnel , running under Dot Ave. from A St. to the Foundry St./Dot Ave. merge. Re-use this as an upper-level Indigo transfer station, because it's reusable infrastructure and the map says there needs to be some intermediate stop between Newmarket and SS. Start the new tunnel incline into the Link at the end of the old tunnel. It'll be a less-steep dive into the abyss if you're already below street level.

-- Run through the Link. There are proposals for a Link with or without a Central Station at Aquarium/Blue Line. Unfortunately the RR side can only have shorter platforms because of the tunnel grades, so it's not as attractive a prospect as it looks with longer trains required to skip. No such problems on rapid-transit...put an Aquarium transfer platform on the Indigo side only and express the RR thru.

-- At North Station, put it on the upper level of the superstation above the Orange Line. Spit it out the same portal as the Orange Line by doubling the width of the incline tunnel (plenty of space...it's all under Leverett Connector ramps no-mans land). Peel alongside the Fitchburg tracks on the surface and hit Lechmere for a Green Line transfer.

-- Take over the Green Line Medford extension, freeing up Green Line for Union Sq. and Urban Ring duty. The current extension's supposed to be designed--or at least Somerville is pleading for it--so that electrical conduits can be switched easily from overhead to third rail and station platforms easily raised if the line went heavy rail.

-- SPECIAL FREE BONUS!!! The Red Line has mile-long yard tracks that go from JFK to Cabot Yard. They intersect where the Indigo would snake around Cabot. Totally as-is, you could junction here and run alternate service routings off the Red Line branches to North Station and Somerville. This would be a great for the Braintree line, since the Old Colony portal cost probably relegates it to future generations to build. Consolation prize: those riders get 4 transfer options--Braintree, Quincy Ctr., JFK, SS--from commuter rail to Indigo for their North Station commutes. Run 1 out of every 3 Braintree trains over the Indigo all hours, and pack 'em in at rush hour 1:1 Red vs. Indigo. Red Line tilts Ashmont-heavier overall, but that's historically where it all it went before Braintree existed.


Voila! Boston's got a brand new subway line that packs five-figures more new paying passengers than the RR Link alone. And trading in the long Fairmount RR portal and Old Colony portal for this probably washes on cost.



Future phases:

-- Throw down third-rail tracks along the NEC to Westwood/128 and the new TOD development there. Massive park-and-ride ridership, and actually connects that fantasyland of mixed-use development to the city.

-- Branch at Readville to Dedham Center/Dedham Mall along the inactive Dedham Branch (a pre-1967 commuter rail line). Intermediate stop at East Dedham/Commerce Way. It's a wide, perfectly preserved right of way with no grade crossings. It brings Dedham into the rapid-transit system with a choice Route 1 + Mall destination. And fulfills ancient, long-thwarted T promises to go to Dedham Ctr. years ago when it was redoing the Orange Line.

-- Extend north from Route 16 to Anderson/Woburn and hit 128 on the other end. This was where the Somerville Green extension was originally proposed to go way back in 1945, so a very old and well-studied routing. What we're actually now getting is half what it was supposed to be, 70 years late. Lowell line is 4-track width the whole way, and if intercity traffic gets really heavy those commuter rail stops are better off flipping to rapid transit so all RR trains can traverse the whole Boston area 128--Back Bay--SS--NS--128 without getting stuck behind locals. Add back a couple Woburn infill stops that used to be commuter rail stations: Cross St. and maybe Salem St. Re-use the little Green Line yard tracks planned at Route 16 as a short-turn so they can throttle down service north off-peak and keep service density maxed inside the city (could've done the same throttle-down at Alewife if Red Line to Lexington ever happened as planned).

-- Extend the Red Line from Ashmont to Mattapan supplanting the trolley w/intermediate stop at Milton/Central Ave. Burrow a 2500 ft. subway under River St. to connect Red and Indigo. Throw down a third/express track or even a 4th track on the Indigo to Readville; it's wide here due to lots of former freight sidings. Then do whatever routings make sense. Indigo 128-to-128, Red Alewife-Dedham, half-and-half Braintree? Lots of possibilities. Redevelop Codman Yard at Ashmont and Mattapan yard with TOD since Red/Mattapan can vacate them and bunk at Readville with Indigo. Subways are always expensive but this is a shortie. Everything else in the universe I've outlined here just maxes out what's already present or formally planned.


Voila! Boston's got its own miniature New York BMT division going, all nicely linked up. Maybe with (much, much more expensive) future potential to do the Mass Ave. bypass subway on this network, or join Red and Indigo on the northside by going under the Davis-Lowell St. bike path via the old freight ROW.
 
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^ Forgot the part about going to 128. That's pretty critical, IMO. Alot of ridership can be picked up at 128, and I'm wondering if it's possible to make a three-track expressing system on the line since for the most part nobody would be getting off until South Station, really.
 
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As Palindrome's post above indicates, they have actually been working on this station for months. Even the picture in the article shows a lot of progress in the background...

http://transportation.blog.state.ma.us/blog/2011/06/mbta-talbot-avenue-station-groundbreaking.html

MBTA: Talbot Avenue Station Groundbreaking

Governor Deval Patrick today joined Congressman Michael Capuano, Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino and state and local officials to announce the groundbreaking for the $15.9 million Talbot Commuter Rail Station, as part of the MBTA Fairmount Commuter Rail Line Rehabilitation Project.

The project will create an estimated 120 jobs, with project completion scheduled for 2013.

Talbot Avenue Station marks the third of four commuter rail stations under construction as part of the Fairmount Commuter Rail Line Rehabilitation Project. Similar to the Four Corners/Geneva station presently under construction, the Talbot Avenue Station will include new high level platforms, canopies, passenger shelters, benches and windscreens, and electronic message signs. Sidewalks adjacent to the station will be reconstructed with new wheelchair ramps at major intersections.

The Talbot Avenue and Woodrow Avenue railroad bridges will be replaced in conjunction with the project in late 2011. The 9.2 mile Fairmount Commuter Rail Line runs from South Station through Dorchester and Hyde Park terminating in the Readville. It is the only MBTA Commuter Rail Line that exclusively serves the City of Boston.

Launched in 2005, Phase I of the Fairmount Commuter Rail Rehabilitation Project is complete, including the rehabilitation of Upham's Corner and Morton stations and bridges reconstruction and improvements. Phase II involves the construction of four new commuter rail stations with three of four station projects now underway: Four Corners/Geneva, slated for completion in 2012; Talbot Avenue Station; and Newmarket Station. The fourth, Blue Hill Avenue Station, to be located in Mattapan, is currently in design.

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Prepare yourselves for some NIMBY Hall of Fame material...

Residents at odds over Blue Hill Ave. station site

By Gintautas Dumcius
Jun. 23, 2011

Mattapan residents clashed last week over the siting of a commuter rail station between Blue Hill Ave. and Cummins Highway. The MBTA is building the train station on the Fairmount Line as part of a court mandate that came out of an environmental lawsuit over the Big Dig.

T officials say the site is the best location for the T station, citing lower construction costs, no permanent land takings needed, and the only area in which a center island platform will fit.
The station drew support from several community members at a Thursday meeting between Mattapan residents and MBTA officials at the local branch library. “We need a stop there,” said Ardis Graham, who drew scattered applause for his remarks. “I think it’s a great idea. I don’t see what is the problem.”

But direct abutters to the proposed station say construction will damage their foundations and once built, the station will interfere with their quality of life. Barbara Fields, who leads a neighborhood group of residents of seven to eight streets near the proposed site, the Woodhaven Culbert Regis Neighborhood Association, pledged to do “whatever it takes,” including lying down in front of the tracks, to stop the station’s construction. Speaking with Graham after the meeting, Fields continued the debate, telling him, “If it was your house, you’d be taking a different position.”

Local lawmakers appear split on the issue, with state Reps. Russell Holmes and Linda Dorcena Forry supporting the construction, saying the new station will bring economic development to Mattapan Square and access to jobs in downtown Boston, and state Sen. Jack Hart and City Councillor Rob Consalvo saying they are sympathetic to abutters’ concerns.

Three other Fairmount Line stations are already under construction: Four Corners/Geneva Ave., Newmarket by the South Bay Shopping Center, and Talbot Ave., near Codman Square.

http://www.dotnews.com/2011/residents-odds-over-blue-hill-ave-station-site
 
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I hope they do lie on the tracks.... ...but the train doesn't stop.
 
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Well, I don't completely support them, but I get the point of their complaint. The station is essentially going to be built literally in their back yards.
 
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Henry you are basically right. This just comes down to what's best for the individual vs what's best for the population. Obviously we here are pro development and see these people as an annoyance but lets be real, if these were rich mofos out in Lincoln there would be no station built what-so-ever.

It's hard to get things done in a democracy.
 
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Indeed.

Also consider, if you purchase a residential property that abuts a rail right of way, you're a bit limited in terms of recourse. The amount of money that the T spent to appease the Greenbush abutters was truly absurd, and I don't think we'll see that sort of thing again.
 
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There's no way they could be happy about a new station in their backyard because it means their house will be convenient to rapid transit? I now that's a ridiculous notion, but that's how I would feel.
 
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There's no way they could be happy about a new station in their backyard because it means their house will be convenient to rapid transit? I now that's a ridiculous notion, but that's how I would feel.
Well...and this coming is from an anti-nimby...think about the noise that a train makes...now add frequent stops...lots of people...and lots of delays (it IS the T)...still want to live there?
 
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Well...and this coming is from an anti-nimby...think about the noise that a train makes...now add frequent stops...lots of people...and lots of delays (it IS the T)...still want to live there?
I guess I'm not the best person to judge this because I lived in Dorchester with the red line, the commuter rail and I93 in my backyard.
 
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There's no way they could be happy about a new station in their backyard because it means their house will be convenient to rapid transit? I now that's a ridiculous notion, but that's how I would feel.

I'm an anti-nimby, but part of why I am is that most NIMBYism is knee-jerk reaction. But sometimes, the focus is on something that is worth more consideration. This isn't about trains passing through, they already do. But consider these factors:

  • The affected streets already have a rail transit station a few blocks away (Mattapan Sq.)
  • The station will not be figuratively in their back yard, but actually located there. Platforms, benches, passengers, all about 10 feet from the back of abutting houses. That's quite a bit different from a train that passes by now and then.
  • As transit upgrades go, this one isn't really what the neighborhood needs, which is rapid transit.

Anyway, as I said in a previous post, I'm not necessarily against this station, but I do think the concerns are valid.
 

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