Fall River/New Bedford Commuter Rail (South Coast Rail)

But in reality, I don't see RIDOT having an interest in doing much more than slight improvements to Providence service/connections.

Because RIDOT is still facing intense backlash/bad optics from the (perceived) white elephant that is Wickford Junction? (I mean, it can't be as bad as Studio 38...)

What kind of ROI, in the most generously holistic sense, is RI getting on that transit center, do we think? Strictly in terms of daily ridership, I can only assume the investment has been abysmal, assuming this ProJo story from Oct. 2022 remains accurate.

https://www.providencejournal.com/s...idership-boston-gradually-rising/10535271002/
 
Because RIDOT is still facing intense backlash/bad optics from the (perceived) white elephant that is Wickford Junction? (I mean, it can't be as bad as Studio 38...)

What kind of ROI, in the most generously holistic sense, is RI getting on that transit center, do we think? Strictly in terms of daily ridership, I can only assume the investment has been abysmal, assuming this ProJo story from Oct. 2022 remains accurate.

https://www.providencejournal.com/s...idership-boston-gradually-rising/10535271002/
Wickford gets 8 round-trips per weekday with 2-3 hour headways, and no weekend service. Of course it isn't generating ridership. RIDOT was supposed to have advanced more of its intrastate CR buildout by now allowing service increases to Wickford. It hasn't acted on any of that. It's a proven axiom that frequencies generate ridership. Wickford on-spec wasn't a bad idea, but if they want the ridership they're going to have to generate more frequencies and pony up with the capital investments that make it so.

The half-assing of Wickford service levels is a beating red warning sign for SCR Phase I. If you don't supply halfway usable frequencies for the build money, the ridership is going to struggle like hell to materialize.
 
Wickford gets 8 round-trips per weekday with 2-3 hour headways, and no weekend service. Of course it isn't generating ridership. RIDOT was supposed to have advanced more of its intrastate CR buildout by now allowing service increases to Wickford. It hasn't acted on any of that. It's a proven axiom that frequencies generate ridership. Wickford on-spec wasn't a bad idea, but if they want the ridership they're going to have to generate more frequencies and pony up with the capital investments that make it so.

The half-assing of Wickford service levels is a beating red warning sign for SCR Phase I. If you don't supply halfway usable frequencies for the build money, the ridership is going to struggle like hell to materialize.
Although, at least the SCR station locations are actually near people. Walk-up potential isn't perfect, but it's better than Wickford or TF Green, and at least SRTA is planning on service improvements to feed the trains. (My understanding is that they're going to be implementing cutaway minibuses operating on-demand microtransit to cover the "urban areas.")

Beyond the frequency issues I'm not going to dispute, the business case for Wickford Junction was always off. Its is legitimately in the middle of nowhere, and thus has zero walk-up potential absent significant TOD. That station is/was entirely reliant on car commuters coming in and parking - there's not even a corporate shuttle to quonset. Same thing with TF Green; the station serves the airport perfectly adequately, but doesn't meaningfully serve Warwick. if you're going to have an isolated station, they all need better local transit connections. I believe at opening exactly zero ripta routes served it, and South County isn't exactly the bit of RI with lots of people and traffic to begin with.

That said, what proves the frequency argument is the fact that the Ripta 66 doubles the south County CR ridership. For the northern half of its service pattern it entirely duplicates the CR service, running Providence - TF Green - Wickford Junction with minimal stops and diversions. It's ripta's 3rd most popular regional route, with ½ hour weekday frequencies and, by the timetable, only about 20 minutes slower PVD - Wickford - and looking at its data it tends to arrive early. Compared to the CR that extra 20 minutes is easily worth the ease of walking to a bus stop, direct connection to ridership generators (namely CCRI, 'gansett and URI), etc.
 
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Wickford gets 8 round-trips per weekday with 2-3 hour headways, and no weekend service. Of course it isn't generating ridership. RIDOT was supposed to have advanced more of its intrastate CR buildout by now allowing service increases to Wickford. It hasn't acted on any of that. It's a proven axiom that frequencies generate ridership. Wickford on-spec wasn't a bad idea, but if they want the ridership they're going to have to generate more frequencies and pony up with the capital investments that make it so.

The half-assing of Wickford service levels is a beating red warning sign for SCR Phase I. If you don't supply halfway usable frequencies for the build money, the ridership is going to struggle like hell to materialize.
Beyond the frequency issues I'm not going to dispute, the business case for Wickford Junction was always off. Its is legitimately in the middle of nowhere, and thus has zero walk-up potential absent significant TOD. That station is/was entirely reliant on car commuters coming in and parking - there's not even a corporate shuttle to quonset. Same thing with TF Green; the station serves the airport perfectly adequately, but doesn't meaningfully serve Warwick. if you're going to have an isolated station, they all need better local transit connections. I believe at opening exactly zero ripta routes served it, and South County isn't exactly the bit of RI with lots of people and traffic to begin with.
It's worth recalling that RI also split its intrastate rail rollout into two phases, not too dissimilar from SCR. Phase 1 was TF Green and Wickford Junction; Phase 2 was the rest of the extension to Kingston and Westerly, plus infills at East Greenwich, West Davisville, Cranston, etc. Once it became clear how badly Phase 1 ridership was underperforming vs. the initial projections, the state put Phase 2 on ice, and that's where it's stayed for the past 12 years. Only in the last year is RI finally peeking its head out of the foxhole and giving serious thought to a statewide system again, most likely thanks to Pawtucket/Central Falls Station "proving" that rail can work if you get your station siting right and provide enough service.

Both service frequency and station siting matter. Frequency is what matters most from a practical standpoint, and that's what will likely delay SCR Phase 2 by a decade or more. But as long as the SCR stations are modestly designed, they'll at least avoid RI's unforced error with how Wickford Junction was sited and designed.

From a public perception standpoint, I think Wickford Junction Station itself did more to set back RI's intrastate rail plans than anything else. At first glance, even today, it strikes you as a waste. It's an imposing, three-story parking garage that looms over some grass and the side of a Petco, as thoughtfully-designed as it is empty. (For me, the icing on the cake has always been the historical photo on the station platform sign...what better way to politely say "there's nothing here" than to label the sign as Wickford Junction, but show an image of The Towers in Narragansett, 10 miles away.)

The siting was a mess in the making even before the station was built. The site itself, which falls within a groundwater protection overlay that prohibits sewer infrastructure, was available because the developer of the shopping plaza next door sat on the parcel since the 1980s in the hopes the state would put a station on it. Sure enough, eventually the state bought the site and co-developed the station with him, a sort of P3. Ostensibly the station's high ridership projections were based on the fact that the site had good highway access, which would make it a good park-and-ride. But state and local interests were not aligned...see the comments on p.43 of this report from both the public and planning board members. The locals didn't want the station to generate traffic, TOD, or economic development! One of the only things they did support was linking the station with more local bus routes. It took three years for the state to try to bring bus routes to the station, and once they did, the developer sued them because he thought the buses would diminish traffic flow to his shopping plaza, among other things. Here's to hoping SCR Phase 1 doesn't go above and beyond with the antics like Wickford Junction did.
 
In terms of frequency, to what extent is the single track platform design limiting for the stations southwest of Providence?
 
In terms of frequency, to what extent is the single track platform design limiting for the stations southwest of Providence?
With some passing loops added, not to any degree that would realistically be a problem. We might need to give up on the extremely widely held dream of 10 minute headways to Wickford Junction but I think everyone is fine with that.
 
Somewhat related, but I'm not sure whether to put this in the SCR thread here or the generic Commuter Rail thread:

I've been collecting paper schedules for commuter rail and buses since 2022. I just noticed that on the latest Spring/Summer schedule dated May 20, 2024, the paper schedule has renamed "Middleborough Line" to "Middleborough/Lakeville Line". All schedules in 2022 and 2023 do not have Lakeville as part of the line's name.

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I find May 2024 to be a particularly intriguing time to make such a change, especially in context of South Coast Rail opening soon (though it seems likely that one more Fall/Winter schedule will end at Lakeville).

Perhaps they intentionally made the Lakeville distinction clearer because of SCR on the horizon, so that people know this particular schedule serves Lakeville but not future ones? Or perhaps they were just standardizing line names across the board (even though this was the only line whose name was changed on paper schedules)?
 
Somewhat related, but I'm not sure whether to put this in the SCR thread here or the generic Commuter Rail thread:

I've been collecting paper schedules for commuter rail and buses since 2022. I just noticed that on the latest Spring/Summer schedule dated May 20, 2024, the paper schedule has renamed "Middleborough Line" to "Middleborough/Lakeville Line". All schedules in 2022 and 2023 do not have Lakeville as part of the line's name.

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I find May 2024 to be a particularly intriguing time to make such a change, especially in context of South Coast Rail opening soon (though it seems likely that one more Fall/Winter schedule will end at Lakeville).

Perhaps they intentionally made the Lakeville distinction clearer because of SCR on the horizon, so that people know this particular schedule serves Lakeville but not future ones? Or perhaps they were just standardizing line names across the board (even though this was the only line whose name was changed on paper schedules)?
Don't try to make sense of the CR style/branding, there is only madness and suffering waiting for you.
 
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In terms of frequency, to what extent is the single track platform design limiting for the stations southwest of Providence?
T.F. Green and Wickford were both designed to later have northbound platforms added on new 4th track turnouts on the other side. T.F. Green is also future-proofed for electrification by installing a wide-swingout freight gauntlet track on the current platform track that allows the 19'2" autoracks to slot 'between' the sets of wires.

This is the track/platform schematic from the 2010 NEC Improvements Master Plan document, signed off on by both RIDOT and the MBTA. The short-term stuff in red has been built. The medium-term stuff in blue was supposed to have been built by now, with the long-term stuff in green supposed to have been advancing by now. Only Pawtucket (placeholdered on this map without a firm platform layout) and the Kingston renovation/expansion actually happened. Wickford service was supposed to have been extended to Kingston coincident with the northbound Wickford platform being added and frequencies increased. RIDOT's given up on getting Kingston on any CR schedules, and the schedules themselves have not expanded since opening.
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The MBTA had previously paid $486,627 in five land-takings for eight acres near the Whale’s Tooth parking lot. New Bedford wanted more money and threatened to sue.
 
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I couldn't find this on here - but from what I read on this - Middleborough/Lakeville will remain open for seasonal CapeFLYER service - is this still the case? I suppose it's a win win to keep this if the ridership is there from M/L on the slow trudge to Hyannis...

Something I think I look forward to most with the SCR - I know there's been a lot of dislike - but I'm extracting a positive - is the close walking connection to ferry services to Nantucket and MV. This would be a more reliable and efficient one-seat ride to the Islands from Boston than CapeFLYER, and avoiding traffic car or bus will hit.

Amongst this line's issues, such as going thru ML Line, kind of a needless Freetown station, the long trip, cost for commuters, the $10 round-trip to NB to explore and maybe even transfer to a ferry is a big PRO!
 
the $10 round-trip to NB to explore and maybe even transfer to a ferry is a big PRO!
I really think Jon Mitchell would be stupid not to start some tourism advertising in Boston once the SCR service begins. Images of the Whaling Museum, Cisco/the Black Whale, hiking on trails in the area, that fancy hotel downtown.

Obviously it'll be a stretch to a lot of people, but I could see New Bedford becoming a local destination in 15/20 years.
 
I really think Jon Mitchell would be stupid not to start some tourism advertising in Boston once the SCR service begins. Images of the Whaling Museum, Cisco/the Black Whale, hiking on trails in the area, that fancy hotel downtown.

Obviously it'll be a stretch to a lot of people, but I could see New Bedford becoming a local destination in 15/20 years.
One of my favorite things over the years has been taking people to New Bedford for the first time. Lots of people think of the "gateway cities" as rundown old mill towns. There's certainly some of that in New Bedford, but the downtown area, waterfront, and Rodney French area look nothing like what the stereotype is. My now-wife (who is from VT) spent weeks on Zillow looking at houses in/around the downtown area after we went together for the first time. A coworker had her art displayed in a gallery downtown, and we organized a work outing to go see it and follow up with dinner/drinks. Everyone loved it and talked about having to go back. I've even heard conversations on the ferry about how surprised they were by the city.

But the image fades quickly once you get outside of the downtown area or away from the water. The city needs to change that.

But I agree - there's an opportunity to capitalize on the rail connection. It's one of a handful of places where I think that $10 weekend pass can be put to good use for people traveling from Boston. Lots to see/do a short distance from the train.
 
But the image fades quickly once you get outside of the downtown area or away from the water. The city needs to change that.
And there are so many things to do away from downtown/the water! The best Portuguese/Cape Verdean food you'll ever have, some of the kindest and most genuine Bay Staters, a lot of hidden gems.

I just can't recommend people to walk there in good faith.
 
Good article. So basically covering all the bases when it comes to safety. I read an article a couple months ago that the outreach has been to the extent of running the trains for a year just to get it into peoples' heads that a train is running through their neigborhood! I bet the thinking is for every one person who knows about the project, either for or against, there are probably 100 people that are oblivious that this new rail line is constructed!
 
For those looking forward to phase II for South Coast Rail, you might want to ignore the rest of this post.

Rep. William M. Straus, co-chair of the Legislature’s Joint Committee on Transportation, is retiring following completion of his current term. He was/still is a strong advocate for the construction of SCR phase I. Fair use quotes from The New Bedford Light August 27th:

"...Straus credited former Gov. Charlie Baker for his leadership on South Coast Rail. For years, officials had been weighing and studying two routes: a more direct path connecting to the Stoughton line that cut through the environmentally-protected Hockomock Swamp, or a slower and cheaper path that connected to the Middleborough line.

"In 2017, Baker greenlit the Middleborough route as “Phase I” of the project — the route now scheduled to open next year. The MBTA’s plan includes construction of the Stoughton route as “Phase II” in the 2030s, which could cut New Bedford-to-Boston travel times from Phase I’s 90 minutes to about 79 minutes.

"But Straus called Phase II a “fantasy.” That’s because the environmental permits it will need to cut through the Hockomock Swamp require the state to consider alternatives. An existing route via Middleborough would check that box, Straus said, making it unlikely the state will be able to obtain the permits."
 
 
Initially, 26 trips were expected to be part of revenue service daily for the Fall River and New Bedford lines. The team has since increased total weekday trips between South Station and East Taunton to 32. This includes 15 trips on the Fall River line (increased from 13) and 17 trips on the New Bedford Line (increased from 13). There will be a total of 26 trips between South Station and East Taunton on the weekends. The project team expects 70 minutes between trains on weekdays and 120 minutes between trains on the weekends.

Late night service will be offered to South Coast Rail stations with the last train leaving Boston just before midnight. In addition to direct service, there will also be shuttles operating between each terminus point and East Taunton Station. This allows for even more frequent service, which is consistent with the All Day Service model across the rest of the Commuter Rail network.
 

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