Fan Pier Developments | Seaport

There are quite a few lots around Fenway, albeit small ones. Then again, you would have twice the number of fans attending a Pats game than a Sox game and a good number of people drive to Pats games from Connecticut, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Vermont. So having lots would be needed.
You would be amazed as to how few Pats fans live in CT, VT and Western MA.


Oh, and in regards to that building above with the mold growing on top of it, yeah that's...yuckh!
 
Robotics firm relocating to Hub?s Innovation District

Holy Shit the Mayor is ON FIRE.

?The Innovation District is quickly becoming a model for the country for how to rebuild the economy around new and growing industries,? said Mayor Thomas M. Menino

How is this building a model for the rest of the country when all they are doing is convincing companies to relocate from Cambridge?

Yea pretty much. This is my point he's transplanting some of that Cambridge brain talent to a new designated area. The void left in Cambridge will be filled in by the next batch of graduates. It's kind of like taking some seedlings from a forest to start a new forest somewhere else. It's not the most genious thing ever, but I do think its a good idea.
 
Government grants are given to students, not to the university itself. They are distributed to the university as payment for tuition. If the student end up with surplus due to a for example scholarship, the grant can be refunded to the student. Also grants can be taken away if the student is on co-op or internship. But again, endowment was at a all-time high because of donors and alumnis with no help from the government whatsoever.
To be clear.

University and college endowment are funded through private, non-governmental donations.

The government (federal and many states) does provide both grants and loans to students at universities, colleges, and technical schools. See:
http://www.mefa.org/

The Federal government does give grants to public and private universities and colleges, sometimes for facilities, sometimes for equipment, sometimes for specific research.

The Commonwealth does provide private universities and colleges with a means to finance new facilities using a state bonding mechanism. See:
http://www.massdevelopment.com/
 
Holy Shit the Mayor is ON FIRE.

?The Innovation District is quickly becoming a model for the country for how to rebuild the economy around new and growing industries,? said Mayor Thomas M. Menino

How is this building a model for the rest of the country when all they are doing is convincing companies to relocate from Cambridge?

In the past these companies expanded to Waltham(Alkermes), Lexington(Shire) and Framingham(Genzyme). Vertex is spread out in a lot of small spaces that are perfect for new startups.

As far as that rendering who's going to maintain all those small gree squares.
 
RFK stadium in DC was not a catalyst for anything. The same cannot be said for the Verizon Center in downtown DC, which has spearheaded the redevelopment of an entire neighborhood. But Verizon Center is akin to the Garden, not Gillette.

Gillette has space for nearly 17,000 cars. Where would one find similar space for that many cars in South Boston, and to be filled at most 12 times a year for football? (The low frequency use would make a garage a big money-loser.) The parking cap on spaces for all of South Boston is about 30,000, so I don't know how the cap and the need for thousands of new, additional spaces for a football stadium could be married together.


1) Why do you need 17,000 spaces? How many spots does Fenway have?

2) Football games arent played at 2pm on Tuesdays. Theyre played on weekends....when the offices are closed, and the garages sit empty and unused.

Instead of having one parking spot that is used from 8am to 5pm, and then a completely separate parking spot that is only used from 5pm to 10pm....you should only have one.

Thats the biggest problem with the suburbs. Look at suburban movie theaters, acres of empty parking at 10 and weekdays. Then look at the lawyers office down the block, acres of empty parking on weeknights and weekends. They could easily share one lot with zero conflict.
 
Let's just admit that there's something about football stadia that make them require lots of parking and that creates urban dead zones. No other sports venue necessarily conflicts with urban surrounds - if done right, they often enhance them very well - but there are few if any examples of football stadia anywhere in the US that interface well with cities, and even if there are, they are the exception that proves the rule.

As to why football stadia alone have this problem? Beats me. Maybe it has something to do with the size, with the fan base, with the sport's history.
 
Let's just admit that there's something about football stadia that make them require lots of parking and that creates urban dead zones. No other sports venue necessarily conflicts with urban surrounds - if done right, they often enhance them very well - but there are few if any examples of football stadia anywhere in the US that interface well with cities, and even if there are, they are the exception that proves the rule.

As to why football stadia alone have this problem? Beats me. Maybe it has something to do with the size, with the fan base, with the sport's history.
Its the phenomenon known as tailgating, which is unique to football and NASCAR. Lots of space required. Some will posit, tailgating is a critical part of the fan experience.
 
Let's just admit that there's something about football stadia that make them require lots of parking and that creates urban dead zones. No other sports venue necessarily conflicts with urban surrounds - if done right, they often enhance them very well - but there are few if any examples of football stadia anywhere in the US that interface well with cities, and even if there are, they are the exception that proves the rule.

As to why football stadia alone have this problem? Beats me. Maybe it has something to do with the size, with the fan base, with the sport's history.

Please don't confuse the concept of football stadiums with how the NFL has built football stadiums.

There are dozens of very urban college football stadiums, many with larger capacities than NFL stadiums.

Here are some similar statements:


Let's just admit that there's something about malls that make them require lots of parking and that creates urban dead zones.

Like the Pru right?


Let's just admit that there's something about big box stores that make them require lots of parking and that creates urban dead zones.

Like the landmark center right?
 
Okay, sorry, NFL football stadiums. But that's what we're talking about, right?

I imagine the situation with college stadiums is different because a) many of them are lower-capacity stadia and b) most college students usually live within walking (or shuttle bus, or whatever) distance of their sports facilities, and/or generally have lower rates of car ownership. It's very different when you're talking about a stadium that's meant to serve a metro region - or, in this case, a six-state region.

Nevertheless, the Sox, Celtics, and Bruins also serve a metro region, and neither baseball parks nor basketball/hockey arenas create urban dead zones like pro football stadia. Why?
 
Okay, sorry, NFL football stadiums. But that's what we're talking about, right?

I imagine the situation with college stadiums is different because a) many of them are lower-capacity stadia and b) most college students usually live within walking (or shuttle bus, or whatever) distance of their sports facilities, and/or generally have lower rates of car ownership. It's very different when you're talking about a stadium that's meant to serve a metro region - or, in this case, a six-state region.

Nevertheless, the Sox, Celtics, and Bruins also serve a metro region, and neither baseball parks nor basketball/hockey arenas create urban dead zones like pro football stadia. Why?

Look at it this way, on game day there are over 69,000 fans going to a Pats game. On game day for the Sox there are about 38,000 fans going. So right there, there are a lot more people that means more people will be driving.

Also, football has tailgating, something the other sports don't have. So people come down 2,3,4 hour before the game hangout, drink, grille and whatnot. You need parking lots for that and thus you have your urban dead zone.

Look at Philly. They have a nice sports complex area with Lincoln Financial Field, Citizens Bank Park, The Wells Fargo Center and the old Spectrum all surrounded by a massive sea of parking lots.
 
Damn, who knew that the football suggestion I made when I was drinking would go three pages...

Back on track a little. Looks like Cambridge can't accept the fact that they dropped the ball on vertex.

And is there a limit to how much a city can spend on luring a business to a certain location?

http://www.bostonherald.com/busines...e_over_vertex_goodies/srvc=home&position=also

Cambridge city councilors are slamming Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino for ?luring? Vertex Pharmaceuticals to South Boston ? and criticizing state officials for providing some $60 million in aid to promote the move.

?Vertex Pharmaceuticals has been lured to the South Boston Waterfront by Mayor Menino, (which) could negatively impact (Cambridge) tax revenue, which could impact city services,? city councilors wrote in a unanimous resolution hammering ?the aggressive manner shown by Mayor Menino and the city of Boston to attract business (at) Cambridge?s expense.?

City councilors also voted 7-1 in favor of a second resolution calling state incentives for Vertex?s move ?especially egregious. Cambridge taxpayers are essentially helping foot the bill to shuffle cubicles across the river out of their city.?

Councilors are hopping mad over word last week that Vertex plans to leave Cambridge and relocate some 1,300 jobs to the South Boston Seaport District?s Fan Pier complex.

Vertex also agreed to create 500 additional jobs at the site in exchange for state aid that comes on top of some $12 million in city tax breaks.

Cambridge City Councilor Tim Toomey, who sponsored the measure slamming Menino, said Boston officials ?aren?t going to be making up Cambridge?s tax losses (from Vertex?s departure). If Boston wants to lure companies from Silicon Valley, that?s OK, but to go across the river to Cambridge isn?t.?

City Councilor Leland Cheung, who sponsored the second resolution, accused Menino of ?poaching? companies from Cambridge with the state?s financial help.

?If we?re going to be competing against Boston for jobs, that?s one thing, but the state shouldn?t be intervening between cities,? he said.

However, Menino spokeswoman Dot Joyce rejected such criticisms. ?The city of Boston feels that when one community thrives, we all thrive,? she said.
 
It's true; this is a huge waste of money / potential tax revenue, all to bring a company from one side of the Charles to another.
 
isn't this a company that is outgrowing its current space and needs to move somewhere to expand?
 
Not exactly.

It's a company that negotiated a $12 million tax break to move. What's more, it isn't being enticed to move to improve a blighted district. It's moving to a parcel that arguably has more potential than any other in the region. A parcel that was rezoned through an approval process during which its former owners cited tax revenue as a key benefit before flipping and leaving town.
 
However, Menino spokeswoman Dot Joyce rejected such criticisms. ?The city of Boston feels that when one community thrives, we all thrive,? she said.

That's such a crock. If Boston wants to populate Menino's latest "vision" then go figure out a way to get companies to leave Seattle, Atlanta or California. At the end of the day, just redistributing the same money doesn't make the area and better off. If anything, it worsens the deal since some sort of tax incentive has been offered, so less money is coming in.
 
Cambridge is not a development friendly city. I'm glad to see them getting some competition and from within Massachusetts. Besides I'd much rather see the area around MIT filled with small startup with growth potential instead of established giant companies.
 
It is galling that MA taxpayers are basically in the position of siding with Boston over Cambridge.
 
Maybe Boston and Cambridge will learn to stop putting so many hurdles in front of developers.
 
Cambridge isn't even the major issue.

By whoring out the Seaport with a continual stream of tax breaks and taxpayer-financed boondoggles, neighborhoods that might benefit from City Hall's fixation on corporate welfare, such as Newmarket and Andrews Square, aren't even a consideration.
 
pfizer just announced 350 new jobs for cambridge from Groton, CT, as well as looking to consolidate 2 facilities into a new lab, so that takes a little of the sting off.
 

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