Four Seasons Tower @ CSC | 1 Dalton Street | Back Bay

DZH22 said:
One thing with that architecture is that it didn't perceive any value in the generations' worth of existing buildings that were replaced in large swaths during Urban Renewal. They saw more value in desolate plazas and stairways to nowhere than in keeping an existing dense, coherent street grid.
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yup ... that is what I mean about not valuing. I get it. No need to argue. I will like it and you can be comforted by the fact that history has proven you right. I will stay wrong but enjoy the examples we have around for the qualities I find attractive.

cca
 
cca said:
yup ... that is what I mean about not valuing. I get it. No need to argue. I will like it and you can be comforted by the fact that history has proven you right. I will stay wrong but enjoy the examples we have around for the qualities I find attractive.

cca
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I actually like a lot of the buildings. For example, I like the Pei tower and the way it reflects in the pool. I just think the cost was too high. If these were built on parking lots, dirt, new fill, etc then I think they would be less reviled. Unfortunately, too much of this era involved destroying what was there.
 
A little history that I didn't know about. The area around there was called Gravelly Point and bordered the edge of "original" Boston.



This writer says the land continues to settle:

The Fitz Inn parking lot [currently site of 30 Dalton] at the edge of Gravelly Point in the South End. Notice that the parking lot is anything but level. The Fitz Inn Hotel used to stand here, but the ground settled so much that the building had to be torn down. This part of the South End was actually a marsh, and was one of the last areas to be filled in. The marsh land was so soft, that even with added fill the ground continues to experience issues of settling.
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http://www.bostongeology.com/boston/casestudies/southend/southend.htm
 
i don't hate CSP. But the forlorn tower is crazy.

i wish it could be gone, and something more appropriate/beautiful take it's place.
 
JohnAKeith said:
A little history that I didn't know about. The area around there was called Gravelly Point and bordered the edge of "original" Boston.
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What do you think guys, should we tell him about that time they lifted every building in bay village by 8 feet and filled in underneath?
 
Finally- we're in the stage of the random passer by and highway driver- Huh wonder what that'll be.

My parent's who are in their 70's now came to Boston for the first time in 5 years last week and and always said Bostons looked the same for the past 30 years said Wow I dont remember all these buildings. I love the Wow factor this building creates
 
JumboBuc said:
I'm digging the brutalist look of this pre-glazing.
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Would have been a nice contrast with the glass tower to keep the concrete of the podium exposed. Not enough buildings show the muscle of what's keeping them up in the air.
 
The podium will be covered in stone according to the renders and the building proposal PDF. I can't remember what type of stone but I remember that it is going to be real stone used for the facade not precast imitating stone.
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IIRC, limestone and that's what it looks like.

The base on this one really does look like awkward garbage. A shame for such a handsome tower.
 
Hardisx said:
Wow really awesome pics, BeeLine thanks!
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I feel like those really underscore how thin this building is. Viewed by itself, it looks hefty and muscular, but next to the Pru (which isn't massive itself) it will look like a stick :).
 
Equilibria said:
I feel like those really underscore how thin this building is. Viewed by itself, it looks hefty and muscular, but next to the Pru (which isn't massive itself) it will look like a stick :).
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I think part of the reason we perceive the building as hefty when up close is because today we are mostly seeing the concrete skeleton, which is pretty hefty to support the tall structure. Once clad, I think the hefty feel, even up close, will go away.
 
Nonetheless this thing is going to be one heavy mofo relative to the tiny size of its base. comforting to know the piles are to bedrock. i agree it will look sleek once clad.
 
Just an average Manhattan condo tower.

Need Copley Tower and 1000 Boylston to join it yesterday.
 
Any building will look big when its a few floors off the ground. Wait until its height width ratio changes a lot and it will look thinner.
 
odurandina said:
Just an average Manhattan condo tower.

Need Copley Tower and 1000 Boylston to join it yesterday.
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Agreed. This one is going to be great, but will look out of place until it has some company in the skyline.
 
Its going to kind of throw off the balance of our twin peaks. Copley would have filled it in perfect and thats really the only spot allowed for any height near the hancock tower so its either that or nothin...aka nothin. Were just going to have to see how it looks and get used to it.
 
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