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The obvious solution for historical signs like this is a plaque that says something like "This is a historical sign"
Large enough to make it clear from the inside of a train arriving in a station. In some cases the historical signage is the only prominent thing you see out of the window of a given car. (Scollay Under, for example -- they are cool, big signs that used to be the primary wayfinding.)
 
Large enough to make it clear from the inside of a train arriving in a station. In some cases the historical signage is the only prominent thing you see out of the window of a given car. (Scollay Under, for example -- they are cool, big signs that used to be the primary wayfinding.)
They should just rename Govt Center to "Government Center/Scollay" or something like that
 
They should just rename Govt Center to "Government Center/Scollay" or something like that
Before the big renovation, the signage in the station suffixed it underneath as "Scollay Square". That's because that signage was leftover from one of the first Cambridge Seven design motif installations, back when the GC name was only about 5 years old.
 
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I don't think this has been posted here yet, but the T's projects page has this PDF with the full year shutdown schedule across the system. Those November GL central tunnel closure will be rough: closing basically the entire C, the D inbound of Brookline Hills, and the B terminating at Babcock St for a week? By comparison the two week Copley - N. Station shutdown doesn't look too bad.
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As much as I will always mourn what we lost in 62-63, even if I could have never seen it, it's a dead name for a dead and buried place and doesn't belong on modern signage for the station.
Disagree. It's the urban renewal projects—reflected in the generic name of "Govt Center"—that are now equally, if not even more anachronistic to the zeitgeist. While I do agree with a part of the principle underlying your argument, which is that romanticized resurrections are to be avoided, that does not mean that any specific historical decision need always be set in stone, or that sometimes, bringing a former name back to life cannot be appropriate. The urban fabric, including names of places, is a living thing that is always being continuously updated. Thinking about it even as I write, I think perhaps one of the biggest barriers to ever actually doing anything about the ghastly nightmare of city hall plaza is the name, "City Hall Plaza", alongside the overall name, "Government Center". A more Bostonian name might actually breathe some idea-level life and provide better guidance and impetus to better humanize this area.
 
Disagree. It's the urban renewal projects—reflected in the generic name of "Govt Center"—that are now equally, if not even more anachronistic to the zeitgeist. While I do agree with a part of the principle underlying your argument, which is that romanticized resurrections are to be avoided, that does not mean that any specific historical decision need always be set in stone, or that sometimes, bringing a former name back to life cannot be appropriate. The urban fabric, including names of places, is a living thing that is always being continuously updated. Thinking about it even as I write, I think perhaps one of the biggest barriers to ever actually doing anything about the ghastly nightmare of city hall plaza is the name, "City Hall Plaza", alongside the overall name, "Government Center". A more Bostonian name might actually breathe some idea-level life and provide better guidance and impetus to better humanize this area.
I will say, having despaired of trying to fit two of the T’s longest station names (Government Center, Downtown Crossing) into the core of the map, alongside two of its shortest station names (State, Park [{St}reet]), I myself would be quite alright with the name being changed to City Hall. (Which someone did on a recent fantasy map, I think.)
 
I will say, having despaired of trying to fit two of the T’s longest station names (Government Center, Downtown Crossing) into the core of the map, alongside two of its shortest station names (State, Park [{St}reet]), I myself would be quite alright with the name being changed to City Hall. (Which someone did on a recent fantasy map, I think.)
On the topic of reverting name changes, I think I'd switch Kendall/MIT and JFK/UMass back to Kendall and Columbia. Charles/MGH I could go either way on.
 
On the topic of reverting name changes, I think I'd switch Kendall/MIT and JFK/UMass back to Kendall and Columbia. Charles/MGH I could go either way on.
I will say, having despaired of trying to fit two of the T’s longest station names (Government Center, Downtown Crossing) into the core of the map, alongside two of its shortest station names (State, Park [{St}reet]), I myself would be quite alright with the name being changed to City Hall. (Which someone did on a recent fantasy map, I think.)

There is something that's definitely aesthetically displeasing about having a slash in a station name. I think it's because the name alone suggests a lack of focus and also that there is no single identity that is significant enough to tie to the station name by itself. I like the idea of "City Hall". It's old-timey and a little comic-book-ish (like Batman), but also makes sense. Also agree "Kendall Sq" and "Columbia Rd" would sound a lot nicer.

Didn't Charles used to be Charles Circle? Or was it just "Street"? I like either better than Charles/MGH but it's also hard to ignore the fact that that stop really does serve MGH, a lot more than traffic headed to shops or residences on Charles St.

Worth perhaps considering the impact that complete digitalization will have on maps and placemaking. The argument to keeping the other names is that you want people to know how to get to UMass, JFK Library, MIT, MGH, etc....but with everything digital you dont need that anymore. There is also a hybrid option where you could have the digital map (that you could attach to a QR code posted at every station) of the MBTA network have the major institutional destinations listed as a digital pop-out, or easily searchable, etc. Even for the physical maps like those in the bus shelters—it could be a nice addition to list all major museums, universities, hospitals etc as a table next to the map.
 
Didn't Charles used to be Charles Circle? Or was it just "Street"?
It was just "Charles". (Although named for Charles Circle.) The same way that the "Sq" in Kendall, Central, Harvard and Andrew was implied, not signed. Same thing with Columbia, it wasn't "Columbia Rd", just Columbia.
I like either better than Charles/MGH but it's also hard to ignore the fact that that stop really does serve MGH, a lot more than traffic headed to shops or residences on Charles St.
Agreed. (Hence the "I could go either way" thing). The MIT in Kendall seems undeserved should you ever have the pleasure of needing to walk from the station to where most of MIT is, it's often 15+ minutes away. JFK/UMass is worse. The idea that the station somehow serves the Library (or UMass) is laughable, it's more than a mile away. The fact that the 8 to Columbia Point is being made a High-Frequency route feels like a pretty direct admission of this. By that logic you may as well call Roxbury Crossing "Harvard Medical School".

But MGH is clearly different, it's right there. If we're dropping anything it feels like the Charles part of the name should go first.
 
The MIT in Kendall seems undeserved should you ever have the pleasure of needing to walk from the station to where most of MIT is, it's often 15+ minutes away.
...an urban ring or GLX on the Grand Junction would solve the problem, since then we'd have a proper MIT station!
 
In theory, a "better" name for Charles/MGH would be Mass General... but the now-merged parent company of Mass General Brigham may have complaints about that.
 
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In theory, a "better" name for Charles/MGH would be Mass General... but the now-merged parent company of Mass General Brigham may have complaints about that.
Nothing wrong with calling MGH "Mass General", in the same way that there's nothing wrong with
calling Brigham and Women's "Brigham". They're two different hospitals, owned by one parent company. If you're lucky you might even be able to get them to sponsor that name change. That's one place I'm definitely okay with station sponsorships, I think if we ever get a proper LMA station and the Huntington Ave station needs to be renamed, I have no qualms with just letting the bazillion local institutions bid on the naming rights.
 
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