Green Line Extension to Medford & Union Sq

Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Uhh...you guys should redirect your ire towards the potential defilement of 102-110 Broad. Or anything but this.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Saw this on Universal Hub:

From State Rep Denise Provost:

Early today, I was extremely disheartened to learn from MassDOT that the expected completion of the Green Line Extension has been delayed again – this time until at least 2018. While I appreciate MassDOT’s efforts in appropriate mitigation and community input, I am extremely disappointed that this vital project is, yet again, being postponed. ...

MassDOT's annual status report to DEP on its SIP commitments - which was due July 1 - was submitted today, estimating a 2018-2020 completion date for the Green Line Extension.

MassDOT statement:

Over the past four months, the Green Line Extension project team performed a cost and schedule analysis that thoroughly examined all aspects of the project and the actions required to move it forward expeditiously. As a result of this analysis, the projections for the Green Line Extension project have been refined. Under the revised timeframe, passenger service would begin no earlier than the fall of 2018 and no later than the summer of 2020. The schedule is contingent on the MBTA taking full ownership of property required for construction. Benefitting from lessons learned on the Greenbush Commuter Rail project, in which the MBTA did not take ownership of needed properties until after the Design/Build process began, the Green Line project team aims to prevent the issues that cost the MBTA both time and money.

Seeking to accelerate the timeline where possible, MassDOT and the MBTA are actively considering strategies that could mitigate schedule impacts and improve upon the dates for passenger service on the Green Line Extension. The strategies under consideration include the development of a 'phasing' scenario that would allow for some stations to open for public use while others are still being constructed.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

lulz. At least this will give me a few extra minutes each week when I'm not naively checking the Green line STEP and MGNA websites for nonexistent new updates...
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

I'm sure this will eventually be completed along with the Blue Line to Lynn. Probably after another half billion dollar commuter rail extension.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

This is pathetic. Just make it happen. It blows my mind that anything could fail so completely over and over again while nonsensical projects get pushed ahead.

I'm sure this will eventually be completed along with the Blue Line to Lynn. Probably after another half billion dollar commuter rail extension.

We can't let those 50 people in South Saugfordshire go without their 12 mile CR extension!

(And for the record, the Fall River project is going to cost close to 2 billion for 1,000ish daily riders. THAT. IS. CRAZY.)
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

This is horrific news. Honestly, this ruined my night.

Apparently MassDOT also wants to nail the RL/BL connector in its coffin too. Just sickening. I suppose it's nothing new though because residents in JP have been waiting for the court-ordered restoration of the E-Line since 1986.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

This is horrific news. Honestly, this ruined my night.

Apparently MassDOT also wants to nail the RL/BL connector in its coffin too. Just sickening. I suppose it's nothing new though because residents in JP have been waiting for the court-ordered restoration of the E-Line since 1986.

They don't only want to kill it...they've filed official public notice of their intent to file an amendment to the Implementation Plan to kill it. Just as they did other law-mandated transit commitments Arborway restoration, Silver Line completion, Urban Ring, and Blue-Lynn. And scaled back or delayed everything else except Greenbush...including easy ones like expanding commuter rail parking and a slew of bus improvements.

And yet the South Coast Rail drags its corpse along undaunted. Pathetic. Why should anybody ever again trust a single thing that comes out of the state's or T's mouth when they pull the Charlie Brown/football routine yet again and don't enforce the law? And way to bury the lede on the day Washington finishes boning over the bottom 90% in incomes, although the state-level message is pretty symbiotic, no?


Note the wiggle room to 2020 in the Green Line extension, and unspecific plans to further segment the phases from the current plan that had Route 16 as a dubious tack-on. Start placing bets on whether there's any service whatsoever save for Union Square and relocated Lechmere. Also, I hope you're prepared to double your Red Line commute time with absolutely zero load relief for the choked downtown dwell times. That was >60% of the advantage of the Red-Blue Connector: throttling down RL load so it could handle the current projected growth curve without choking to death. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. Laws and court orders are not laws or court orders for those who have the power to choose not to follow them.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

There are no words for how incredibly pathetic this news is.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Color me shocked that the biggest extention of the T in 30 years fell by the wayside yet again...guess they are going to have to dredge up the Fall River/New Bedford extention again to take focus away from this failure until they actually get their eggs in order and/or are forced by lawsuit by someone with the gutts to see it enforced under penalty of law...
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Every set back like this, and then I note all the rail RT construction elsewhere throughout the country, and I can only say WTF?
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Every set back like this, and then I note all the rail RT construction elsewhere throughout the country, and I can only say WTF?

LA (!!!) is currently making a fool out of Boston, and the state of Massachusetts. The MBTA couldn't dream of getting a single shovel moving on anything in the 30/10 plan.

Hell, we can't even get the traffic light at D St. reprogrammed after over half a decade of waiting.

Total leadership failure.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Keep in mind, in 1945 when the GL-Medford extension AND the cruelly teased Blue-Lynn extension were both proposed as fast-track projects, it was supposed to go to WOBURN CENTER: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3575/3304445209_3943d9ef68_o.jpg. Originally on the old Woburn Branch that was a commuter rail line until 1981, but in modern analogies it would pretty much be a one-seat ride to Anderson RTC and I-93 taking over all the Lowell Line stops and freeing up the RR tracks for exclusively outside-128 service.

WOBURN. SEVEN DECADES AGO. And now we don't even know if it's truly possible to move Lechmere across the street.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Keep in mind, in 1945 when the GL-Medford extension AND the cruelly teased Blue-Lynn extension were both proposed as fast-track projects, it was supposed to go to WOBURN CENTER: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3575/3304445209_3943d9ef68_o.jpg. Originally on the old Woburn Branch that was a commuter rail line until 1981, but in modern analogies it would pretty much be a one-seat ride to Anderson RTC and I-93 taking over all the Lowell Line stops and freeing up the RR tracks for exclusively outside-128 service.

WOBURN. SEVEN DECADES AGO. And now we don't even know if it's truly possible to move Lechmere across the street.

That map is amazing! Talk about forward-looking vision! None of that actually even fully happened, only the RL and BL partially.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

LA (!!!) is currently making a fool out of Boston, and the state of Massachusetts. The MBTA couldn't dream of getting a single shovel moving on anything in the 30/10 plan.

LA is about to become the 2nd most ridden light rail system in the country.

If the GL extension doesnt open soon...theyre going to pass us.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

Man, this is depressing. Boston transit moves in lifetimes. Do we have to die of old age before we see a new extension to badly needed areas? Other cities all over the world are building new lines in only a few years, they'll get to see it and use it for a reasonable amount of their lives. But not Boston.


Is there anyone up there thinking what we are thinking? Do they see how insane they are misappropriating the money?
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

In other news, South Coast Rail marches forward, a moderately overpriced extension to Wachusett proceeds, and the Greenbush continues to compete with ferries. Meanwhile, plans for Big Dig 2.0 will begin design drafting tomorrow, in order to "prepare us for the 22nd century" says Sec. Mullan alongside Lt. Gov. Murray.


This state truly sucks balls. If the extension doesn't happen, I will spray paint stencils, glue laminated signs, etc, anything at all to express outrage because clearly asking nicely doesn't work, so what the hell does? This is just so fucked up. The people of Somerville are begging for this! Easton doesn't even fucking want SCR coming through their town!
 
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That map is amazing! Talk about forward-looking vision! None of that actually even fully happened, only the RL and BL partially.

The most depressing thing is that every single one of those extensions is still a rated MPO project except for Allston/Newton, which is impossible now because the Pike Extension cannibalized former Tracks 3 & 4 of the Worcester Line that the extension was going to use.

-- Riverside was built, but it was built cheap and ahead of schedule before the MBTA came into existence. Coincidence?
-- Braintree was built, but initial construction was underway at the time the T was created by legislative fiat. All they did was keep the contracts the MTA inked going. And finish the Quincy-Braintree leg 10 years late. Coincidence?
-- Red to Alewife ended up taking the Mass Ave. and Fitchburg Cutoff RR routing instead of the Mt. Auburn St. subway and Watertown Branch, but Arlington Ctr. and Lexington still beckon after being cut back at the last minute.
-- Blue-Lynn is STILL a max-priority project.
-- Rozzie and West Roxbury are STILL shut out of the rapid-transit system. To add insult to injury, when it was decided that the Orange Line was going to relocate the loss of the El in Roxbury was supposed to be counterbalanced by this extension bringing Rozzie and West Rox into the city. Nope...they did the same exact weasel move and cut it at just the Forest Hills relocation.
-- That never-used Orange Line express track from Community College to Wellington was supposed to be for the Reading extension, and Wellington Yard had almost twice the tracks it does now because they built the Haymarket-north extension in anticipation of Reading. Nope...T folded like a chair and canceled the whole thing when Melrose NIMBY's started saber-rattling. As opposed to Greenbush and South Coast Rail where NIMBY's are there to be coddled and given limitless power of ransom.
-- Needham still keeps a lonely vigil for its extension, holding community meetings every year and passing resolutions emphatically in support of the extension and further discussions with the T. The last one just a few months ago, and citywide support's on a very strong upswing. Because they're above their pain threshold with Highland Ave. congestion, the overloaded bus this route would replace, and the Needham Line's perennially limited service due to meager track capacity from the south. And continue to pass resolutions they will...even when the resolutions say "Hey, T! You realize this is the cheapest of the never-builts to do?"


I think the state needs to sheer off the commuter rail into its own sub-agency. The buses, subway, and ferries all serve an exclusively Metro Boston district inside of 128. The CR almost exclusively serves an outside Metro Boston district, and the only inside-128 local commuters it does pick up are the ones the T broke rapid-transit promises for. BERy and the MTA had their district and their priorities square on the district. The MBTA doesn't know what it wants to be, other than it can serve no one well trying to be a statewide transit agency. Nothing more starkly illustrates that than South Coast Rail.

It had to take on certain necessary compromises at its founding because of the bankrupt private RR's and doubts that ANY kind of commuter rail would survive without subsidy. So it wasn't the case of the MBTA being doomed from the start. Far from it. But with the DOT reorganization busting up some of the gov't fiefdoms maybe it's time for a more logical mission statement and division of labor: a MassPort for ports, an MBTA for strictly Metro Boston transit, a MassHighway for highways, and a MassRail to manage the passenger and freight RR networks. Make them live in their own budgets in their own realms designed for purpose. It's physically impossible for the MBTA to manage itself with such contradictory missions, and subway vs. CR would get right-sized attention if they weren't co-mingled with one mode being a disproportionate parasite off the other. Don't forget, the Red Line carries more passengers than the ENTIRE commuter rail network. It's lunacy to starve it to death by cutting the Red-Blue connector while continuing to push sinkholes with one-tenth the ridership out in the suburbs. The number of fare-paying commuters is not even on the same planet to make this an objective debate.

The T's fiscal, maintenance, and project paralysis are the end-stage atrophy of having such a muddled district. These 1945 plans weren't pie-in-the-sky Tomorrowland/Jetsons ideals. BERy and the subsidized street railways (bus lines) were just consolidated into the MTA metro district with a 10-mile/128-like radius around downtown, and this was go-time for how they were going to charge ahead into the car and post-RR era. Get rid of the streetcar lines, supplant all the inner-suburb commuter rail the RR's can't swing anymore, and throw max vigor at a real rapid-transit system. It's basically the Washington Metro grafted onto a pre-existing 19th century subway, but pretty much the same district makeup and relationship with outer beltway and highways. We're 60 years late getting with that program, and that's a structural and leadership deficiency not a fiscal one. Anything is fiscally or temporally impossible if you're incapable of managing it or messaging it. That's where we are today: we can't f***ing move dilapidated shack Lechmere across the street.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

F-Line, your astute analysis belongs on the Editorial Page of the Globe.
 
Re: Green Line to Medford to start in 2011

And now the Green Line extension isn't set to commence until 2018, and by then they will have to do another environment report that will probably push it another couple of years back.
 

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