Joel N. Weber II
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Re: Park Street loop and system capacity
Broadly speaking, I think we're now discussing two different arguments that Alon has made:
First, the argument that where interlining ends up happening, using the same headway on all services is likely optimal; this is where I think I agree with him.
Then there's the discussion of disentangling the New York City interlining of 13 services on most of the lettered lines. I was under the impression that Alon had come to the conclusion that the construction costs of actually separating things out would probably not be worthwhile because so many of the stations that would need to become major transfer points if the interlining were reduced have small platforms because it was assumed that interlining would mean people wouldn't transfer; the disagreements around whether rider reaction to transferring matters don't seem like they're likely to make a major difference for any actual real world service pattern decisions.
However, I also thought I'd seen something somewhere claiming that a lot of New York City subway riders gravitate towards trains with ``express'' in their name, even when the number of local stops that will be skipped is so small that transferring or waiting extra for the express won't really get the passenger to the destination any faster.
I take everything Alon Levy writes with a grain of salt. He's not wrong but he thinks only in pure numbers and not how people actually want to ride transit. Everytime a rider needs to transfer their desire to use the system drops. The psychology of a one seat ride will always win out over a faster trip with transfers. Besides, both NYC and the Green Line were designed for interlining and it would be more expensive to redesign the systems to eliminate it than just dealing with the consequences.
Broadly speaking, I think we're now discussing two different arguments that Alon has made:
First, the argument that where interlining ends up happening, using the same headway on all services is likely optimal; this is where I think I agree with him.
Then there's the discussion of disentangling the New York City interlining of 13 services on most of the lettered lines. I was under the impression that Alon had come to the conclusion that the construction costs of actually separating things out would probably not be worthwhile because so many of the stations that would need to become major transfer points if the interlining were reduced have small platforms because it was assumed that interlining would mean people wouldn't transfer; the disagreements around whether rider reaction to transferring matters don't seem like they're likely to make a major difference for any actual real world service pattern decisions.
However, I also thought I'd seen something somewhere claiming that a lot of New York City subway riders gravitate towards trains with ``express'' in their name, even when the number of local stops that will be skipped is so small that transferring or waiting extra for the express won't really get the passenger to the destination any faster.