Green Line Type 10 Procurement

We all now know what THE OUTSIDE will look like. How about the INSIDE? When will we start to see renderings of how the INSIDE might look like? :unsure:
 
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It will probably be almost all longitudinal seating with accessible zones at most doors. However, I doubt we will see inside renderings for at least a year or two knowing the T.
 
CheapLeak said:
It will probably be almost all longitudinal seating with accessible zones at most doors. However, I doubt we will see inside renderings for at least a year or two knowing the T.
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Just like we'll never see any renderings of the Hynes redo for probably eons!!! :eek: :mad:
 
CheapLeak said:
It will probably be almost all longitudinal seating with accessible zones at most doors. However, I doubt we will see inside renderings for at least a year or two knowing the T.
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Back when they did the award, they did attach this floor plan. We'll actually see it "in the flesh" pretty soon - per SWA, a full scale mockup should be available by Summer 2024 for R-TAG review, and I'd expect to see at least pictures promptly once that's delivered.
 
Is or will the new Type 10 trolleys be regarded as trams? I've seen pics of some of the look-alikes being designated as such. Just wondering. But it WOULD be sort of a new name for the vehicles when they come on the scene. :)
 
Jahvon09 said:
Is or will the new Type 10 trolleys be regarded as trams? I've seen pics of some of the look-alikes being designated as such. Just wondering. But it WOULD be sort of a new name for the vehicles when they come on the scene. :)
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Trams and trolleys and streetcars are all essentially the same thing. I hope that tram doesn't become too prevalent in the United States, just because unique local terms are cool, and tram is neither. But the Type-10s don't really seem all that related to the other terms at this point, when compared to, say, the Mattapan PCCs.
 
HenryAlan said:
Trams and trolleys and streetcars are all essentially the same thing. I hope that tram doesn't become too prevalent in the United States, just because unique local terms are cool, and tram is neither. But the Type-10s don't really seem all that related to the other terms at this point, when compared to, say, the Mattapan PCCs.
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Thanks. :)
 
Stlin said:
So low quality thanks to Livestream quality, but the mockup has been built.... And it's kinda ugly? It doesn't look a huge amount like the renders we were shown.
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The lighting bezels, the light gray/silver trim on the window instead of the charcoal, that center panel on the front, and the lack of the white paint accents are what I see as detractors. Even the gray body is also lighter on the mockup.
 
Any idea how wide the walkway is on the seated sections? I’m glad that they’ve done away with the awkward half seats that they’ve got on the 8 and 9s… but it looks like all of the seated sections are gonna be cramped as heck.
 
Texasian said:
Any idea how wide the walkway is on the seated sections? I’m glad that they’ve done away with the awkward half seats that they’ve got on the 8 and 9s… but it looks like all of the seated sections are gonna be cramped as heck.
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About 3ft on the narrow ones at both ends, about 4.5ft on the wider ones in the middle. That's the cost of fully low-floor vehicles.
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Why still dot matrix displays?
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No reason to put LCDs on the outside, but I'm not sure what's up with the one on the inside, maybe just because they're more reliable? Based on the pictures it seems like there will be larger full displays as well.
 
Looks nice, but what else can we expect? Exept for much brighter LED lighting. At least it's better than the Tye 8's which are so boring & they never had a midlife overhaul!! :eek:
 
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TheRatmeister said:
About 3ft on the narrow ones at both ends, about 4.5ft on the wider ones in the middle. That's the cost of fully low-floor vehicles.

No reason to put LCDs on the outside, but I'm not sure what's up with the one on the inside, maybe just because they're more reliable? Based on the pictures it seems like there will be larger full displays as well.
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Maybe it's just me, but the full LCDs on the new OL and RL for instance seem pretty... cheap or fisher-pricey or something. I can dig the Dot Matrix for basic stop announcement screens and what not.
 
My understanding is the a pair of 7/8/9s can't use the Brattle Loop -- it has to be singles only. Will a Type 10 be able to use the Brattle Loop without reconfiguration of the wall?
 
737900er said:
My understanding is the a pair of 7/8/9s can't use the Brattle Loop -- it has to be singles only. Will a Type 10 be able to use the Brattle Loop without reconfiguration of the wall?
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Probably not. I have a sneaking suspicion the problem is the gap between the platform and the doors, which is enormous because of how sharp the curve on the loop is. (When they raised the platform in the renovation, they subsequently had to cut the raised platform back near the cinderblock wall, presumably because the cars would have hit it if they hadn't.) Unless the T10s can solve that problem vehicle-side somehow, they'd have to deal with the wall to compensate. And that's harder than it looks, because a big chunk of that wall near the north stairs down to the Blue Line is actually structural.
 
At least now, we have an idea of how the inside of the cars will look through the mockup. Question now is when will the mockup go on display? It'll probably be at City Hall Plaza!! :)
 
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Probably not. I have a sneaking suspicion the problem is the gap between the platform and the doors, which is enormous because of how sharp the curve on the loop is. (When they raised the platform in the renovation, they subsequently had to cut the raised platform back near the cinderblock wall, presumably because the cars would have hit it if they hadn't.) Unless the T10s can solve that problem vehicle-side somehow, they'd have to deal with the wall to compensate. And that's harder than it looks, because a big chunk of that wall near the north stairs down to the Blue Line is actually structural.
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The Type 10s are way more bendy though, that might actually make them fit more easily. You can see on this image how the largest single segment of the Type 10 is smaller than on the Type 8 or 9s.
 
TheRatmeister said:
The Type 10s are way more bendy though, that might actually make them fit more easily. You can see on this image how the largest single segment of the Type 10 is smaller than on the Type 8 or 9s.
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Yeah, we will see how that goes. Part of the problem is that they had to cut the raised platform back because of how far the fronts of the cars stick out on that sharp curve. and there's still going to be at least some of that on the T10s, so I'm not completely confident.
 
bakgwailo said:
Maybe it's just me, but the full LCDs on the new OL and RL for instance seem pretty... cheap or fisher-pricey or something. I can dig the Dot Matrix for basic stop announcement screens and what not.
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Even if they're cheap looking the amount of important information you get out of the LCD screens on the OL trains couldn't be achieved with a dot matrix. They list every single connection not just a generic "bus and train connections" and for wayfinding that's crucial. Also the ability for them to do something like the REM in Montreal where it shows the time remaining until the next 2 stops is good to have for future use cases.
 
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