Is parking too cheap?

High fuel prices and the bad economy are two big drivers of this nationally. Walmart has suffered and Dollar Stores have benefitted from this trend because consumers simply can't afford to get to the nearest Walmart.

Locally-- state deregulation of the insurance market made it much more expensive to insure a car registered in/around boston. I got into a very minor accident with someone that lives in Somerville but has their car registered in Burlington at their parents house.

Plenty of other people that move here from out of state never legally register their cars here because of the cost. They have off-street parking, so they never get tickets anyways-- just take a walk through any off-street lot and at least 10% of the cars won't even have Mass plates. It's that way with the overnight parkers at my parking garage at work, my parking lot at home, and any parking lot.

As it's already been pointed out, the economy sucks. When I was in HS 10 years ago, gas was $1.50 and it was possible to get a used car for $500. The going wage was $8-$10 for a grocery store kind of job. Now? That beater of a car costs $2,500 and gas is $3.50. The amount of time required to work to get a functioning car drive/maintain it is significantly higher than it used to be-- while low-skill wages have stagnated and teenage unemployment is at an all time high.

And-- student loan debt has prevented young adults from ever getting to the point of being able to move out of an apartment which has the effect of restricting supply and pushing prices up in the Boston area.

Bonus chart on used car pricing going back to 2009.

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/

Driving Trends

I acknowledge each and every one of these reasons and further add that driving trends have decreased on the whole, nationally and furthermore peaked in 2004. There are many factors at play and it's helpful to our main argument - Is parking too cheap? - to agree that we're all roughly saying the same thing, that for the forseeable future, multiple factors will be keeping that stagnant or pushing that down further. Regardless, this general dip in driving is an opportunity to:

  • remove the justification for parking minimums to facilitate aggressive construction of much needed housing by making build costs more palatable for housing that satisfies the market between Section 8 and luxury housing
  • reinvest in our transit and road networks on a fix-it-first basis
  • implement a comprehensive parking management program within the confines of Boston and ideally throughout the metro area

Suffice it to say, energy cost and economy are but a couple of the many other factors contributing to a more sustained and profound change in driving trends than even the energy crisis of the 1970s, which doesn't even register as a blip on some charts. If anything, the energy costs show a weak correlation to the driving trend:

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You know, there has been a lot of articles about Millenials not buying cars. The speculation goes all over the places. Including changing values or "not find cars cool" or etc. Buy one thing that is pretty hard to ignore. Is a lot of us are in debt, a lot in debt. If many of us have 10k or more in loans while the last generation didn't. Yeah, it does make sense that it mean some of us are not buying cars. As much as some places like to think we just have different values, it hard to ignore that math have to be forcing some people's hand.

Cultural Shift - The Millennial Factor

We are roughly the second or third generation to have mostly grown up or partially experienced the suburbs in our childhood before college. My parents immigrated here from the Philippines, I was born in New York City, lived 5 years in 'advanced mutation suburbia' in Florida, spent the remainder of middle school and high school in the more classical suburbia of Long Island, went to school at RPI in a relatively tiny, but sprawling town in mid-state New York, and have lived here since. I'd like to think that this also affords me a unique experience of hyper density through to a step above rural, so I can frame my experiences in each, including mine here in Boston for the past ~5 years. No one I know from high school wants to ever go back to living on Long Island's suburbia. My only friend who lives in Florida's suburbs is there because that's where the construction jobs are and she desperately wants to be an Imagineer. Almost every peer I talk to wants to find a way to raise a family within Boston, though some are still going the suburban route and scoping detached homes to stake their claim. (These are usually also the same people I don't see eye-to-eye on issues of locality of shops and restaurants, smaller scale living, and the larger, more principal issue that Boston is inherently more expensive because of these conveniences and concessions, but need not be as expensive.)

I guess what I'm saying is that ultimately, a lot of us are doing the math because of our student loans and are beginning to see the true costs of car ownership - both out-of-pocket and less tangible externalities. That is to say, our students loans are making us appreciate the money coming into our bank accounts that much more and are forced at least once to run the calculation of owning a car. Add this to the wealth of information about deficient infrastructure, gas tax issues, implications of land use on commute time and energy consumption that is now not only accessible through 24-hour news streams, but also increasingly echoed in many of our social circles by mainstream news outlets. I think the underappreciated factor is what information technology has had on the transparency of costs around us. I'd argue that it has contributed more to a culture of knowledge and smarter decision-making than it has to telecommuting, but the effect of telecommuting on the national average of miles driven is easier to quantify than that of people making smarter decisions about car ownership. Suffice it to say, there has been enough of an effect of the need for and access to information and connectivity that it is definitely turning heads. I think we're going to see a larger number of people from the millennial generation stay in the city rather than about-face into the suburbs if/when they can afford it. Lower cost construction afforded by reduced/eliminated on-site parking requirements will give them more of a reason to stay.

Millennials aside, there is increasing pressure from other age brackets trying to enter the urban housing market because of many of the other transport costs that the city liberates them from and the conveniences it affords them.

Gas Tax - Transport Funding

Cynicism or not, many signs point to the fact that MassDOT, if anything, will be prioritising new funding or added leg room in the budget to increasing funding toward extended fix-it-first programs and not buying the equivalent of 'office chairs'. For the next several decades, there is no way there will be a budget surplus from any form of an indexed gas tax increase that would not go directly to continued maintenance or paying down existing mountains of debit.

In fact, with such public scrutiny, I can't ever see MassDOT or the MBTA for that matter, being allowed to ever have such luxuries as a budget surplus that has them needing to buy 'office chairs' to make sure they don't get the funding rug pulled from underneath them the next year. I think the only 'office chair' construction projects we'll be seeing will be 'equality' projects to spread the wealth and make the rest of the Commonwealth feel less spiteful of eastern Mass for the financial sink that was the Central Artery Project.

Also, ant, I don't know what luxurious budget you think MassDOT/the legislature is going to be gorging itself on, but even visualised at the massbudget.org site, increases in transport dollars would be paltry with a gas increase designed to compensate for and effectively continue to provide the same level of funding year over year.

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Transport is already only the second or third smallest budget item year over year out of the entire Commonwealth's expenses. If you want to blame someone for the $16bn difference in the past 13 years, blame all the sick people and children for the non-adjusted revenues:
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Yes, a periodic reanalysis of the gas tax amount is a much better idea than not having revisited the subject in years and not having a plan to do so in the future. Also, with the external push from increasingly fuel efficient cars - and if the technocentric transport problem solvers of the world have their way, increasing replacement of our automobile fleet with electric cars - as well as driving trends that hint at them either decreasing or plateauing, not going back up, the gas tax is going to become less effective at raising revenue and have no effect whatsoever on drivers of electric vehicles. When push comes to shove, we'll have to revisit the transport funding issue another day anyway. Within the limits of reality, an indexed gas tax that is revisited periodically is one of the more politically feasible ways of improving transport funding at the moment...unless someone can outline a road to land taxing...
 
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Cultural Shift - The Millennial Factor

I agree that we Millennial like the idea of the urban city and not the suburbs. It's a pretty enticing to not have to travel 5 miles to reach a grocery store. My own speculation that college campuses are playing a role too. With many more of us going to college, we enjoyed being able to have everything we need within a mile radius. That could very much influence why we are choosing urbanity over surburbs. Theoretically, at least - Most of us are not even in our 30's so this can change, if not nothing else than being able to afford it. Even so, I speculate that we'll see a shift in suburbs to gain more urban aspects too (like real town centers with buildings next to each other and not strip malls either). It just makes more sense utilitarian-wise, but also aesthetically to not be so spaced out including the suburbs as well more of us choosing the city.

I do have trouble with this word choice:
I guess what I'm saying is that ultimately, a lot of us are doing the math because of our student loans and are beginning to see the true costs of car ownership - both out-of-pocket and less tangible externalities.

So because our generation have less financial means to buy a car, we now found ourselves not wanting cars in the first place by our close examination of costs. While it could make sense theoretically that our increase financial strains is making us examine things more closely, I find this hard to conclude firmly as it is just a viable to simply conclude there's just less of us who can afford to buy a car.

It would be much more undeniable if we have increasing means to buy a car, but still not buying it as indicative of changing generational taste. But we have decreasing means while saying we don't need cars as much, this could mean a change of taste or sour grapes (I would speculate both, though it is debatable the proportions).

Also, ant, I don't know what luxurious budget you think MassDOT/the legislature is going to be gorging itself on, but even visualised at the massbudget.org site, increases in transport dollars would be paltry with a gas increase designed to compensate for and effectively continue to provide the same level of funding year over year.

I don't see why you used the words "luxurious" or such words. Those are your words, not mine. My words is to indicate I want a structure that force them to reevaluate. Inflation means the Commonwealth has to periodically reevaluate and ask for more when they need it. Giving a guaranteed amount means we have have to trust them to ask for less when they don't need it.

You have a reasonable point that they have so many needs to spend on that it will be a long time before they reach a point where they might be in a position to need less money. Not so much to knock down that I imply in some way that MassDOT is in a "luxurious" state "gouging" on the budget.

Transport is already only the second or third smallest budget item year over year out of the entire Commonwealth's expenses. If you want to blame someone for the $16bn difference in the past 13 years, blame all the sick people and children for the non-adjusted revenues:

That one heck of a word-choice you did there. "Blame all the sick people and children". Framing it that to express concern of the $16bn rise means I want sick people and children to die. That $16bn dollars is a lot of money and it is very debatable where it is going exactly. Because I'm pretty sure we weren't just leaving sick people and children to die before. Nor our population have risen that much in the past 14 years. And accounting for inflation still means a $9bn difference (CPI calculation).

When I mentioned our State's budget has risen over the past 14 years. My point is despite the decreasing buying power of the gas tax. The Commonwealth is finding ways to bring in more funds. That money could have been used to plug the gap in the gas tax (I recognize this is a debatable point, as we don't know the exact source of the $16bn - though I suspect some of it was flexible enough to be earmarked for infrastructure, if Gov Patrick in 2013 was telling us straight, we may only need roughly $1b of that a year).

Yes, a periodic reanalysis of the gas tax amount is a much better idea than not having revisited the subject in years and not having a plan to do so in the future.

And currently, to my understanding, we are operating on the latter than the former. I tend to view things structurally. Inflation forces then to reevaluate, though debatable in that it may take too long to force the hand to be worthwhile. And currently that's what's on the ballot. Periodic analysis, isn't, and even if it was, it still means it has to be set up in a way that they would give an honest analysis on needs. Granted, our current state of infrastructure may nullify that point for a good long time.
 
Really nice debate guys, enjoying the read


And currently, to my understanding, we are operating on the latter than the former. I tend to view things structurally. Inflation forces then to reevaluate, though debatable in that it may take too long to force the hand to be worthwhile. And currently that's what's on the ballot. Periodic analysis, isn't, and even if it was, it still means it has to be set up in a way that they would give an honest analysis on needs. Granted, our current state of infrastructure may nullify that point for a good long time.

This is the key point. Your arguement is valid, but I can't see it coming to fruition for another 50 years, at least. Until then, transportation infastructure needs all the money it can get. When our childrens children start building bridges to nowhere, then its time to reevaluate.




To expand on the whole concept, I was reading "the great inversion" by alan ehrenhalt (great book on the concept of the demographic shift), and he brought up an excellent point. Before roads began consuming so much of the budget, we were able to spend a lot more on things such as carefully maintained parkland, elaborate and architecturally grand civic buildings and monuments, public beaches and pools, etc (to add my own, subway construction by the cities themselves). Now granted, welfare and other public good services have also consumed funds since the depression, however the costs associated with asphalt and concrete has taken a marked chunk of change out of other public realm construction.
 
If you want to talk about amount of infrastructure funded by the gas tax, then I should point out that the indexing is required to keep that funding at an even level in terms of "amount of infrastructure funded."

So if you're worried about "amount of infrastructure being funded" going up, that's not what the indexing accomplishes. It just prevents it from going down.
 
To expand on the whole concept, I was reading "the great inversion" by alan ehrenhalt (great book on the concept of the demographic shift), and he brought up an excellent point. Before roads began consuming so much of the budget, we were able to spend a lot more on things such as carefully maintained parkland, elaborate and architecturally grand civic buildings and monuments, public beaches and pools, etc (to add my own, subway construction by the cities themselves). Now granted, welfare and other public good services have also consumed funds since the depression, however the costs associated with asphalt and concrete has taken a marked chunk of change out of other public realm construction.

As it was just demonstrated above, healthcare (state matching funds for medicaid) is driving most of the increase. Huge pension/healthcare costs are the primary cost drivers in many local/state govts, massachusetts is actually one of the sane states.

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At the state and local level, per capita tax revenue has increased fivefold in Massachusetts since 1977. This is not a revenue issue, it's an expense issue (note that this does include federal money):

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=513


Also, I came across this article earlier today and part of the reason for declining miles is an aging population.
 
I think the question "Is parking too cheap?" has been officially answered. When private individuals can make money off public assets, we've got a problem on our hands.

Simple solution, the City, like MassPort at Logan, offers a version of the app for free.

Then they charge more for the "reservable" on-street spaces to recoup the cost. Parking in those spaces requires you to scan a code or send a code to the meter to take payment.
 
On Newbury Street, Jim Hodgson, who gave his age at “just under 70,” was more decisive: In from South Dartmouth to shop, Hodgson bragged he had a special touch for finding parking and saw no need to pay for a tip about an open space.

“I have the Force,” Hodgson cracked, referring to the fictional power from the “Star Wars” films.

“Three bucks per use? No. I’ll take my chances with the Force.”

This guy just made my afternoon.
 
There's a new app being launched tonight called Haystack that lets you sell your parking spot, and it alerts you if there are any spots available in your neighborhood. What I don't understand is what happens if you buy a spot, but then someone else takes it before you grab it?

http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2014/...boston-launch-party-at-liberty-hotel-july-15/

Scroll up to post #248 where the Globe article about Haystack was posted.

Globe said:
An occupant of a parking space alerts other app users the spot is opening up. The first driver to respond gets to claim the space, then receives precise directions and a description of the departing vehicle. The holder of the parking space declares how long he will wait around for his successor, who pays only when the two exchange spots.
 
Haystack is a disaster that solves a problem that only exists because street parking is underpriced. It is guaranteed to either A) flop because the logistics are too screwed up or B) make parking and traffic much much worse for everyone, with or without Haystack.

That said, I hope the existence of Haystack makes it plainly obvious to City Hall that people are ready and willing to pay more than $1/hour if it means they will actually get a spot when they need one.
 
Haystack is a disaster that solves a problem that only exists because street parking is underpriced. It is guaranteed to either A) flop because the logistics are too screwed up or B) make parking and traffic much much worse for everyone, with or without Haystack.

That said, I hope the existence of Haystack makes it plainly obvious to City Hall that people are ready and willing to pay more than $1/hour if it means they will actually get a spot when they need one.
Agreed.

It also needs to prompt City Hall to put parking meter information in the cloud and have a FREE city-run website that tells you the status of meters.
 
Haystack is a disaster that solves a problem that only exists because street parking is underpriced. It is guaranteed to either A) flop because the logistics are too screwed up or B) make parking and traffic much much worse for everyone, with or without Haystack.

That said, I hope the existence of Haystack makes it plainly obvious to City Hall that people are ready and willing to pay more than $1/hour if it means they will actually get a spot when they need one.

Agreed.

It also needs to prompt City Hall to put parking meter information in the cloud and have a FREE city-run website that tells you the status of meters.

There has been scores of data from the parking research and case studies done in the last few years showing that performance pricing and 'smart' parking technologies work to get revenue back from parking and give everyone the access to parking 'Force' that everyone wants. Shoup himself even made the keynote speech at MAPC's parking conference a few months back. I should hope it's painfully obvious that this isn't 1950 anymore and we can be much more active about parking management.

We need comprehensive parking reform. The article and these apps only really highlight the issues with parking for commercial use. What about residential parking? I'd argue that's still too cheap when you can get an on-street permit for free, in spite of the fact that people are paying absurd amounts for spaces. Neighbourhoods shouldn't have to petition the city for proper parking management... it's in the public interest to manage that across the city, because maybe - just maybe - we can stop having people complaining about all those people with cars who will move into the neighbourhood if we build that development without or with less parking...
 
"Free" public resources, particularly scarce, valuable ones, are always a problem. No one respects something that is "free" (it is not really free, but being taxpayer supported, it is apparently free to the user).

Users of resources, like on-street parking, need to directly pay for that resource.
 
"Free" public resources, particularly scarce, valuable ones, are always a problem. No one respects something that is "free" (it is not really free, but being taxpayer supported, it is apparently free to the user).

Users of resources, like on-street parking, need to directly pay for that resource.

-Haystack proves that parking is underpriced.
-The Free Market solution is to prebate money to residents equal to the value of their parking and then charge for parking always and everywhere.
 
"Free" public resources, particularly scarce, valuable ones, are always a problem. No one respects something that is "free" (it is not really free, but being taxpayer supported, it is apparently free to the user).

Users of resources, like on-street parking, need to directly pay for that resource.

Yeah, the hard part is convincing people that their property taxes don't immediately entitle them to the right to park wherever they want in their neighbourhood for free.

Applying a curbside permitting scheme across all wards and making everyone pay for parking while also launching 'smart' parking schemes for commercial districts needs to happen all at once or at least close together and the City of Boston needs to be incredibly transparent about it, lest the most vocal citizens cry foul.
 
Yeah, the hard part is convincing people that their property taxes don't immediately entitle them to the right to park wherever they want in their neighbourhood for free.

Applying a curbside permitting scheme across all wards and making everyone pay for parking while also launching 'smart' parking schemes for commercial districts needs to happen all at once or at least close together and the City of Boston needs to be incredibly transparent about it, lest the most vocal citizens cry foul.

The minute the City issues 4 to 5X the number of on-street stickers per space in a neighborhood, is the minute the property tax argument disappears. Only the person who got a space benefits, everyone else paid taxes too, and got screwed.

Charge for every use of a space. The technology is readily available. Otherwise it is a "tragedy of the commons" issue.
 
Very sensible! ANd they're right: for people who are free to chose between modes this will push them to other modes, leaving the spaces for people who "must" drive, who should be happy to pay $1 more to find a spot easier.

Yeah, I wish Boston would make a similar move. It makes no sense to end hours of curbed parking charges as early as 20:00 in the evening.

Anyone know of any news recently out of the mayor's office with the transitional committee and who's replacing Tinlin?
 

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