Logan Airport Capital Projects

CSTH said:
You know what? For all this work and disruption, I wonder if they should have gone with a permanent relocation of the car drop off to the garage, and leave the existing footprint for cabs and buses.

If youre going to build the ‘temporary’ garage space anyway why not just own it
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The garage drop off phase is really messy. It is very far away and requires going up to the bridge level and walking across and then taking elevators down into the terminal. It's really not viable permanently as a terminal drop off.
 
Why is it Massport does not build up at Logan? Given the tight pace constraints, why not build up and put foodcourts/bars/restaurants/retail about the holding areas?
 
mass88 said:
Why is it Massport does not build up at Logan? Given the tight pace constraints, why not build up and put foodcourts/bars/restaurants/retail about the holding areas?
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I suspect some of the reasoning is sight lines for ground control. Extra height would make seeing traffic in the alleys very challenging.
 
shmessy said:
+1. Took the words right out of my mouth, but I went stronger than "damn".


.....and btw, note the distinct scent of Amazon Suffolk Downs in:

"The idea grew out of a proposal in 2015 by Massport, which operates Logan, to build a moving sidewalk between the Blue Line station and Terminal E, where the number of international flights and passengers has surged. Massport chief executive Thomas Glynn said the agency now sees a transit line stopping at each of Logan’s four terminals as a more comprehensive solution.....

.....Passengers [currently] coming by the Blue Line or the new Silver Line service from Chelsea must take shuttle buses a half-mile or more along Logan’s crowded roads.....

...It would make it easier for people to use the Blue Line, for people to get to and from the airport,” he said. “To the extent something can reduce the time it takes to get from Airport Station to the particular terminal you’re going to, and increase the reliability, that could be positive.”
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I've been wanting to post this for MONTHS, but finally found the newsletter I was looking for in my paper archives. From a printed newsletter dated May 1995. I don't know why this was never mentioned in the Globe article:

"One of the most exciting projects of Logan 2000 is the People Mover System. Like all of the Logan 2000 projects, the People Mover is being designed to handle the transportation needs of the 37 to 45 million passengers that that will rely on Logan International Airport by the year 2010. Initial design concepts include an elevated track, similar to the monorail at Disney World, that will connect the MBTA's new Blue Line Airport station with Logan's parking garages, terminals, and the new airport hotel. Passengers will ride in climate-controlled cars above the roadways thereby avoiding and reducing roadway congestion.

By providing access to the MBTA's Blue Line, Massport will provide passengers with direct access to the greater regional transportation network with a truly intermodal connection.

Passengers will be able to access the People Mover and the MBTA from the same platform, eliminating the need to carry bags up and down station and bus stairs. By dramatically improving public transportation to Logan, the number of people using public transportation is expected to increase and therefore decrease the number of passenger vehicles at Logan. Fewer vehicles on Logan's roadways will result in a corresponding decrease in vehicle emissions.

Massport, with Rizzo Associates, will produce an Environmental Impact Report for the People Mover project. The environmental review process is expected to last for over a year. We look forward to a considerable public review during that time. Construction is expected to begin in 1997 and be completed by the year 2000.

For more information about the environmental review process for the People Mover System, contact: Ken Schwartz Director of Environmental Planning Logan International Airport."

So you may not know it, but we've already had this project for 18 years already!! LOL

Again, I don't know why they never referenced this 1995 plan in ANY article about the current People Mover plans.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...bta-station/FBbrtsOUxiRYizi0h0ZUuJ/story.html
 
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Interesting.

1. Would a loop be more efficient?

2. I think the the E station probably actually goes next to the steam plant, in front of the existing E (because check-in will still be there after expansion)

3. Also I wonder if they could use blue line rolling stock and have a non-revenue track connection up by the economy garage so that there wouldn't need to be a totally new maintenance operation...

4. Would love to see a dogleg to the south where the Massport office building and fireboat dock are, so that it can connect to water transport too (both inner harbor & also long-distance ferries...would be nice to have good road connections and parking etc for provincetown ferries that currently dock at commonwealth pier for example)
 
Interesting idea about using Blue Line rolling stock. My guess is that the cost of modifying stock for fully automatic operation (which reduces the regular revenue fleet) plus heavier viaducts for the metro rolling stock, versus a fully off-the-shelf APM system, will outweigh the costs of a prefab maintenance facility.
 
I'd much rather see them do a grade-separated busway that SL1 could co-use rather than just drop-in replacing the Blue Line shuttle bus with an APM. So many more people would be so much more usefully moved if it were a protected ROW shareable by all T and Massport-badged buses. The APM concept just reeks of "Well, don't all 'classy' airports have a People Mover? Why not us too because reasons?!?!" rather than actually searching for the best available tool to tie together Logan transit modes.

Besides, if it's a busway you can eventually bury some trolley track in the pavement and run stock Green Line trolleys on it if the northeast-quadrant Urban Ring gets built as LRT to Chelsea and Logan. Or have the best of all worlds with their APM-like thingy running a few exiled luggage rack-equipped trolleys in an isolated airport circuit amid the SL1's...with 600V DC power piped off of the Blue Line to power that dinky. Dual-purpose guideway, and draws from a much larger and more fungible rail vehicle fleet to boot.


EDIT: Also...since GL trolleys can run under their own power under Blue Line overhead, you can deadhead an isolated People Mover Trolley fleet of 6-10 exiled Type 10's to/from Orient Heights Yard for maintenance at-will. Would be cheaper than building a dedicated APM maint facility to just augment OH with an extra trolley-lift shed. Enough of the heavy shop equipment there is common to the whole rapid transit division that they should be able to absorb most tasks on a few LRV's without excessive need to keep shipping them out to Riverside on flatbed for moderate repairs.
 
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Flying in with Jetblue tomorrow, is the Jetblue terminal still pure trash?
 
If you're deplaning at JetBluegates C8, C9, or C10 you'll hit the jackpot! Other than that, same ole JetBlue Terminal C piers.
 
jass said:
Flying in with Jetblue tomorrow, is the Jetblue terminal still pure trash?
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When is the last time you flew through Terminal C? The piers themselves are not that great. But Massport has added a lot of nice dining and retail options post security.
 
jass said:
Flying in with Jetblue tomorrow, is the Jetblue terminal still pure trash?
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Hello from beautiful Oakland, where I flew out from JB @ C16 on Wed. evening! Yes, it is still pure trash with some of the worst passenger flow of any Logan gates. It felt 5x as crowded as the actual utilization the layout was so constipated.
 
i have been flying American out Long Beach.

Long Beach and John Wayne are wonderful. Ontario is also nice.

i still say Denver is the worst shytte sheau on Earth.
 
Wow! MassPort is really stepping up it's game! New massive new addition/gates added to Terminal E, the new covering/entrance for C, and now this, a revamped and rebuilt Terminal C pier along with a new connection between B and C. Plus, the demo of the old tower! Bravo MassPort and thank you for not stringing all this out over 10 years!! All this couldn't come soon enough!
 
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